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Big Flaw In Hawkeye System

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Replying To WanPintWin:  "The right decision, but the speed of getting it across needs be looked at. In another scenario, let's say a player got a red card for a very dirty pull in that time that was played. Would that have to be rescinded too, as the passage of play was invalid?
By the same logic yes, but it'd be extremely awkward to let him back on the pitch."
Absolutely my point others here unfortunately cannot grasp the problem flaw in Hawkeye.

arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4896 - 29/07/2019 16:35:31    2218318

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Replying To arock:  "Missing the point if Hawkeye is deployed game has to stop no other sport allows game to continue for 32 secs while a decision is being consider. I am right and you are incorrect. You simply cannot allow game to continue ref indicated he couldn't hear because of noise. This is why GAAis amateur sport."
Did you actually watch the incident? The ball was caught in play, i.e. the game never stopped! Hawkeye was not "deployed" by anyone on the field, neither umpire or ref because they did not see it go over the bar. As play unfolded 20 seconds later, the hawkeye official in the stand contacted the ref and said that last shot was a point, bring it back and restart the play. Hawkeye checks every shot in the background in case there is a mistake as there was yesterday. It does not need to be signaled by the umpire. There have been many instances where umpires have made a wide or point decision for hawkeye to interfere and correct it.

Relatively straight forward sequence of play that you are not understanding. Had it been waved wide and there was a restart then you would have a valid point but based on what actually happened I'm afraid it is you that is incorrect.

Only comment I would make is the process of using hawkeye in general is too slow.

Faithfull (Offaly) - Posts: 573 - 29/07/2019 17:15:59    2218344

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Replying To WanPintWin:  "The right decision, but the speed of getting it across needs be looked at. In another scenario, let's say a player got a red card for a very dirty pull in that time that was played. Would that have to be rescinded too, as the passage of play was invalid?
By the same logic yes, but it'd be extremely awkward to let him back on the pitch."
I was thinking the same thing myself. My guess is the red card would stand.

Coopers_Helmet (Tipperary) - Posts: 154 - 29/07/2019 17:16:50    2218345

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Replying To arock:  "Missing the point if Hawkeye is deployed game has to stop no other sport allows game to continue for 32 secs while a decision is being consider. I am right and you are incorrect. You simply cannot allow game to continue ref indicated he couldn't hear because of noise. This is why GAAis amateur sport."
Wrong, wrong, wrong. The video monitors should be constantly monitoring play and don't know an error has occurred
until reviewed. This may take several play backs why other officials are following play on other monitors. In ice hockey the video room will call down if they note that the puck crossed the goal line and was missed. Played is then stopped. The clock put back to the time of goal scored and game restarted. Anything happened in between does not count. (including scores) These guys are professionals and doing this for years and no one disagrees. 99.9% of the goals are called on the ice so this is not required to do often. There are lots of things that are not correct in hurling but this is not one of them. The technology worked properly and so did the process. Would it be right if Wexford lost the game by a score that was not called? Was it right that Waterford lost the game from a score that never was ?

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2658 - 29/07/2019 17:19:39    2218348

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Replying To arock:  "Missing the point if Hawkeye is deployed game has to stop no other sport allows game to continue for 32 secs while a decision is being consider. I am right and you are incorrect. You simply cannot allow game to continue ref indicated he couldn't hear because of noise. This is why GAAis amateur sport."
Soccer does allow that to happen with VAR.

joeteor (Donegal) - Posts: 217 - 29/07/2019 17:20:27    2218349

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Replying To Coopers_Helmet:  "I was thinking the same thing myself. My guess is the red card would stand."
Dirty play or assault should be dealt with if it happened coming down the tunnel before the game started. Does not need play.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2658 - 29/07/2019 17:21:56    2218351

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Shambolic officiating by all involved but the right decision that the goal should not have stood when Hawkeye showed it was a Wexford point.

Killarney.87 (Tipperary) - Posts: 2513 - 29/07/2019 17:25:51    2218356

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the same sort thing happened in the nations league uefa tournament last month i think it was portugal vs switzerland..switzerland player went down in an innocuouce way and portugal go up the other end get a blatant penalty and referee signals for a penalty only to be called back by VAR to check the original foul which resulted in a penalty for the suisse..

we have these systems in place to get the right call in games and unfortunately delays may occur to get the right outcome..now obviously it is unfortunate how this scenario played out

pidge (Cork) - Posts: 543 - 29/07/2019 18:36:31    2218380

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Replying To arock:  "Missing the point if Hawkeye is deployed game has to stop no other sport allows game to continue for 32 secs while a decision is being consider. I am right and you are incorrect. You simply cannot allow game to continue ref indicated he couldn't hear because of noise. This is why GAAis amateur sport."
As somebody has already pointed out this is exactly what happens with VAR in soccer.

"I am right and you are incorrect"

Lol

jonjon (Mayo) - Posts: 99 - 29/07/2019 18:48:20    2218384

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Replying To arock:  "Absolutely my point others here unfortunately cannot grasp the problem flaw in Hawkeye."
How is it a problem? Of course the red card would stand, u can get sent off when play is stopped, before or after a game. Ball didn't go out of play, everything about the decision was correct

achara (Monaghan) - Posts: 562 - 29/07/2019 20:04:54    2218425

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