Replying To keithlemon:  "PR Machine......
Now where did I hear that or something similar before????

Well" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://hoganstand.com/Forum/Details/101176?County=National&PageNumber=0&TopicID=101176"

Replying To keithlemon:  "PR Machine......
Now where did I hear that or something similar before????

Scarleh." target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://hoganstand.com/Forum/Details/101176?County=National&PageNumber=0&TopicID=101176"

Replying To TheUsername:  "Scarleh. ;)"

Replying To Joxer:  "Well I never. Honestly, who would have thought that he was a Kerry WUM masquerading as a Monaghan poster with a penchant for the poetry of Paddy Kavanagh? The jig is up."

Replying To TheUsername:  "Scarleh. ;)"

Replying To jimbodub:  "Not even a Murphy or Connolly

A Paddy Andrews would have done

For me Mayo's main issue was your half backs weren't able to have their usual bearing coming forward and this definitely negated one of Mayo's best ways of getting scores on the board.

Your half backs made up that slight short fall up front against other teams.

But yeah as I said you were very unlucky at times too.

Could have easily beaten Dublin in 13, 15, 16, 17

And this whole circus wouldn't be a thing

But the collective amnesia about the ultimate competitiveness of these games is very odd indeed. There's no doubt about a purposeful revisionism at play and down playing some of the most competitive games ever seen.

It's all there as clear as day.

Many prime opportunities were not taken.

Hence a chance for #5 and easily the most competitive #4 in a row ever witnessed?

Furlong?"

Replying To bdbuddah:  "I know Murphy had a Mayo father, has Connolly and Andrews a Mayo father also ?"

Replying To jimbodub:  "Ah now not sure that proves anything or am I missing something?"

Replying To Whammo86:  "All of those are fair criticisms.

Really if I could find it I'd like more information on registered members, how they've progressed over time. How the rates drop off over time across counties.

I'd really like to see projections of the expected number of members in 20 years time for instance.

When you see that already over 45% of the population of the entire Island are being born in Leinster currently and when you add in the fact that a lot of the growth is caused by inward migration you've got to think that there's going to be many more playing Gaelic Games in Dublin in the next 20 years.

The penetration rate in the population has been lower than other areas historically, I think there's good reason to believe that it will come more into line.

Raw population numbers are definitely not a good metric for estimating how fair the distributions are.

Neither are current registered player numbers though either. These are not static.

The are also dependent on the action taken by the GAA and surely it is part of the core objectives of their mission to grow these.

I think you also have to take into account that whilst Dublin will likely retain a lower percentage participation rate of their population than the rest of the country they also seem to be putting up more of their own money to fund their development officers. It's 50/50 in Dublin.

Looking at the Munster GAA accounts for 2017

https://munster.gaa.ie/about-munster-gaa/annual-reports/

They receive about 950k per year from Central Council to fund development personnel. In expenditures the in 2017 they paid out 1.2m on development personnel. So Munster GAA are putting up a little over 20% of their on money to development staff compared with Dublin.

To a certain extent that does negate somewhat the fact that Dublin will retain less of the players that benefit from the coaching."

Replying To tearintom:  "The one thing i do find a bit odd is the assumption that if Mayo or ANother had maybe sneaked an All Ireland for example that there would be no issue at all which is completely not the case.

If Dublin werent doing what they are doing then it would be an even bigger issue.

The problem with these debates is it descends into the usual rhetoric of every thread, the issue at hand is not an issue of Dublins making, its a GAA issue or more specifically a GAA HQ issue.

Dublin have done nothing wrong, hence my argument if they werent so successful it would be a worse issue, if Dublin are being given funds by the power that be then there in no position to turn it down, why would they? If any county were in the same position they would do exactly the same, its not up to Dublin to refuse to take whats on offer.

But the inequality of funding has to be looked at seriously but it isnt up to Dublin to raise this issue, there is a groundswell of genuine GAA people who are becoming more and more disenchanted by what the GAA at the highest level are doing. Theres no point in saying deal with it through County Boards and GAA convention etc, i mean these are the same people who voted against there being transparency in their voting, that tells you everything about that approach.

I think we are reaching a tipping point again, the GPA should be demanding action but wont now that they sit under the GAA umbrella, they have huge power but choose not to utilise it due to having their feet under the table.

But something has got to give imho."

Replying To jimbodub:  "I think half of Meath have a Mayo Grandfather"

Replying To Jack_Goff:  "link

Rob Hartnett the CEO of Sport for business thinks Dublin are actually underfunded according to the Irish Examiner.

"But when you think about that, we've got about 33% of the population - you could argue that we're actually being underfunded".

Interesting views, maybe we have it wrong and Dublin should get an increase."