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Replying To Dothesimplethingswell:  "They were until Gaago Sky and setanta came along and thats not that long ago."
There's a big difference between all matches that were shown being on free to air, and all matches being shown on free to air.

The first part of that was true once upon a time, when free to air was the only show in town, and no alternatives existed. Any match being shown had to be shown on free to air because there was no other way of showing it.

But there was never a time when all matches were shown free to air. Even now, with so many alternatives available, it's still the case that not all matches are shown.

And what people often overlook is that RTE still show as many or more live matches now as they ever did. Somewhere in the order of 30 to 35 a year. Same as they did before the first deal with Sky Sports in 2014, and about ten more than they used to show up to about five years before that. And TG4 are still showing as many or more games as they ever did as well.

GAA GO etc. are not taking matches that were previously free to air and putting them behind a paywall. Instead, they're showing matches that otherwise wouldn't be shown at all. The TV companies can't be made buy the rights for them, and the GAA can't be expected to give the rights away for free. It baffles me how some people still don't understand this and instead long for a misremembered utopia that never actually existed at all.

Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 3289 - 04/12/2025 22:30:41    2647090

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Replying To WanPintWin:  "We might be beaten before that. If we don't top our group, it's likely to be France in the last 16.
At the same time, we have a chance of making a semi-final if things run to form up to that point."
There is absolutely zero chance of Ireland being in a semi final. They will calve.

alalalalalum (USA) - Posts: 134 - 05/12/2025 11:07:31    2647113

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Replying To alalalalalum:  "There is absolutely zero chance of Ireland being in a semi final. They will calve."
Whatever about calves, we need to find a few bulls or our scrum will be the end of us.

WanPintWin (Galway) - Posts: 2655 - 05/12/2025 11:56:22    2647122

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Replying To alalalalalum:  "There is absolutely zero chance of Ireland being in a semi final. They will calve."
I often wonder how the majority of people in America vote for Trump as President but posters like you make it all make sense......

Scenicparish (Donegal) - Posts: 808 - 05/12/2025 12:56:40    2647126

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Replying To Claretandblue:  "You claim to be knowledgeable about rugby and yet don't see that Gibson Park is by a distance our best player. Every other player we have is replaceable, the gap between him and Casey or Blade or Gunne is enormous, what would Farrell say?"
I do know rugby. But Gibson Park isnt by a distance our best player.
Casey isnt that far behind him. You havent said how or why Gibson Park is clearly our best player?

KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3891 - 05/12/2025 13:11:07    2647129

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Replying To GreenandRed:  "Ahem! €160 per annum."
Thats just misleading and trolling. its still free to air. that you have to pay for a tv licence still doesnt mean RTE isnt free to air

KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3891 - 05/12/2025 13:12:18    2647130

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Replying To alalalalalum:  "Doesn't matter what players Ireland have, they'll still be beaten the next rugby world cup quarter final, as is tradition"
well argued. any chance you can actually debate and say why you think thats the case

KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3891 - 05/12/2025 13:13:47    2647131

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Replying To Pikeman96:  "There's a big difference between all matches that were shown being on free to air, and all matches being shown on free to air.

The first part of that was true once upon a time, when free to air was the only show in town, and no alternatives existed. Any match being shown had to be shown on free to air because there was no other way of showing it.

But there was never a time when all matches were shown free to air. Even now, with so many alternatives available, it's still the case that not all matches are shown.

And what people often overlook is that RTE still show as many or more live matches now as they ever did. Somewhere in the order of 30 to 35 a year. Same as they did before the first deal with Sky Sports in 2014, and about ten more than they used to show up to about five years before that. And TG4 are still showing as many or more games as they ever did as well.

GAA GO etc. are not taking matches that were previously free to air and putting them behind a paywall. Instead, they're showing matches that otherwise wouldn't be shown at all. The TV companies can't be made buy the rights for them, and the GAA can't be expected to give the rights away for free. It baffles me how some people still don't understand this and instead long for a misremembered utopia that never actually existed at all."
Showing of certain gaelic matches behind paywall 'harming popularity'...Please Google this article its on RTE news app..Minister of State for came out against this as did the Taoiseach in another article. There are always advantages to new companies showing games etc but if you look closely it never comes without erosion of what we already had for free.

Dothesimplethingswell (Sligo) - Posts: 36 - 06/12/2025 16:36:06    2647216

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Replying To Scenicparish:  "I often wonder how the majority of people in America vote for Trump as President but posters like you make it all make sense......"
That is some attempt to crowbar rugby with American politics. Well done you. But it doesn't even make any sense

alalalalalum (USA) - Posts: 134 - 06/12/2025 19:37:32    2647235

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Replying To KillingFields:  "well argued. any chance you can actually debate and say why you think thats the case"
Debate? It is a historical fact borne out by 10 repeated failures by Ireland to get into the final four of a tournament which realistically has about 7-8 top teams...if that. But thank you.

alalalalalum (USA) - Posts: 134 - 06/12/2025 19:39:15    2647236

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Replying To alalalalalum:  "Debate? It is a historical fact borne out by 10 repeated failures by Ireland to get into the final four of a tournament which realistically has about 7-8 top teams...if that. But thank you."
Some of those 10 times we weren't 1 of the 7 or 8 teams. There's a competition in Rugby called the wooden spoon. We have won it more times historically than any other country.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 17690 - 06/12/2025 20:39:51    2647253

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Replying To alalalalalum:  "Debate? It is a historical fact borne out by 10 repeated failures by Ireland to get into the final four of a tournament which realistically has about 7-8 top teams...if that. But thank you."
so no you wont or cant then
you cant debate reasonably no point doing it any more with a rereg...

KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3891 - 06/12/2025 20:52:34    2647255

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Killingfields,are all champions cup rugby matches this season behind a paywall??I know RTÉ aren't showing urc matches and tg4 are showing some..

CTGAA10 (Limerick) - Posts: 2625 - 06/12/2025 20:57:57    2647259

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Replying To Viking66:  "Some of those 10 times we weren't 1 of the 7 or 8 teams. There's a competition in Rugby called the wooden spoon. We have won it more times historically than any other country."
In fairness, all of those wooden spoons are from a long time ago. We haven't been assigned the wooden spoon in the 6 Nations era, which is a quarter of a century at this stage. There have been plenty World Cups this century and we've been a good team for the majority of that time. We have the highest win percentage of any team in the 6 Nations.
There's no doubt we have underperformed in the World Cup relative to this.

WanPintWin (Galway) - Posts: 2655 - 06/12/2025 21:02:07    2647260

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