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The 1st round of the Galway senior championship took place over the weekend. There were at least 5 penalties that I know of. All were missed. Does anyone know the stats on conversion rates since the new penalty rules were brought in last year. It certainly seems to me that the extra 5 yards out that the taker is in reality is far more significant than the 1:1 penalty. Also in underage games penalties are now hardly ever scored. Right now it definitely seems that the best thing for the defense to do is drag the forward down if there's a goal chance. onlyhurling (Galway) - Posts: 800 - 25/04/2016 19:06:39 1849424 Link 0 |
Stats at present certainly show that more penalties are being saved/missed than should be. As the Waterford keeper said recently (and I'm paraphrasing him here) if a penalty is well taken the goalie hasn't a prayer. The fact that all 5 penalties were missed in the Galway championship probably says more about the poor technique of the players taking them than it does about the difficulty of scoring them. I bet you in the coming championship if Kilkenny get a few penalties they won't miss any of them. PoolSturgeon (Galway) - Posts: 1903 - 25/04/2016 20:13:29 1849460 Link 0 |
I think the new system of taking penalties is the fairest system and I agree with the poster above, lads need to work on their technique and a well struck shot should only have a 20% chance of being saved. LohansRedHelmet (Clare) - Posts: 2479 - 26/04/2016 09:30:35 1849530 Link 0 |
I seem to remember when it was introduced first the complaint was it would leave keepers with no chance of making a save, funny how things work out. I think players just need to adjust their approach, too many times I see players having to rush their strike so they hit it from outside the 21, I think they need to give themselves a little more room and concentrate on getting a proper shot away. Soma (UK) - Posts: 2630 - 26/04/2016 11:35:34 1849603 Link 0 |
I seem to remember when it was introduced first the complaint was it would leave keepers with no chance of making a save, funny how things work out. I think players just need to adjust their approach, too many times I see players having to rush their strike so they hit it from outside the 21, I think they need to give themselves a little more room and concentrate on getting a proper shot away. MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13707 - 26/04/2016 11:53:20 1849615 Link 0 |
Obviously it can't be a guaranteed goal but the conversion rate should be higher than it is.In the Galway/Tipp semi last year Canning and Callanan had penalties saved, I'ld say you would get some price on that happening .I believe we will see an improvement this summer. Condorman (Dublin) - Posts: 983 - 27/04/2016 09:35:06 1849954 Link 0 |
Ya but Callinans head was hanging off for his! tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 27/04/2016 13:48:19 1850097 Link 0 |
You can always take your point. Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12120 - 27/04/2016 14:51:53 1850129 Link 0 |
I actually had hoped this would turn into a serious thread. Obviously penalty takers needs to adjust their technique and it will be easier for the next few months while the ground is hard and you can bounce the ball but penalties are being missed left right and centre. It now makes perfect sense to just pull a forwad down. To me by far the most worrying thing is that up to U16 level they are virtually impossible to score so all teams are conceeding the penalty. onlyhurling (Galway) - Posts: 800 - 27/04/2016 15:11:30 1850144 Link 0 |
If his head was 'hanging off' Tiobraid it didn't stop him hitting a bullet shot at his namesake in the Galway goal who did well to tip it over the crossbar. Condorman (Dublin) - Posts: 983 - 27/04/2016 15:42:42 1850159 Link 0 |
Those teams up to u16 were hardly converting them the old way either Bon (Kildare) - Posts: 1909 - 27/04/2016 18:23:02 1850220 Link 0 |
Did ye not see Bennett's penalty against Limerick the last day? Or Shane Dowling's 21? I'ld fancy the likes of Canning, Reid, Callinan, Tony kelly, Pat Horgan etc etc to score them 9 times out of 10. Barnowl94 (Galway) - Posts: 3150 - 27/04/2016 21:51:04 1850295 Link 0 |
Only hurling, what makes you think that the replies you've got have not been serious? I can understand your concern at underage level -- the penalty takers may not have the physical strength to hit a rasper from 21 yards and as well as that obviously they will lack maturity and may not cope well with the pressure of taking a penalty. Perhaps this is something that needs to be looked at and that penalties at underage should be taken a little closer to goal (say 18 yards out). PoolSturgeon (Galway) - Posts: 1903 - 28/04/2016 11:59:13 1850378 Link 0 |
PoolSturgeon onlyhurling (Galway) - Posts: 800 - 28/04/2016 12:43:03 1850398 Link 0 |
I'd be interested to hear any opinions from any keepers on this matter, less men on the line means less fellas to get in your way when defending a strike, always remember Eugene Cloonan saying he'd always have a crack at goal from a 21 yard free with so many lads on the goal line Bon (Kildare) - Posts: 1909 - 28/04/2016 14:01:56 1850434 Link 0 |
You need to tell the lads to practice it, I havent seen too many missed!! I suppose, some of these Galway lads dont like the pressure! Pinkie (Wexford) - Posts: 4100 - 28/04/2016 18:40:07 1850542 Link 0 |
Don't like the new rules .. The only change they should have made was stop players using big frying pan Goalkeeper Hurls to take penalties. It's no advantage to player having to strike the Ball from outside the 21m line using a normal Hurley ,, This means he has to place the Ball 26m out from the Goal and when you are standing out there those goal posts look small and far away and it's easier for the keeper standing on the goal line because the Ball is being struck from further out and the keeper has an extra split second to see the Ball coming in. It was hard enough years ago for lads having to try and beat 3 players standing on the goal line. The problem is with these big frying pan keeper Hurls some lads are able to step into the Ball and lift up in the air way out in front them and run in behind it and strike the Ball. you can't do that with a normal Hurl because the Bass is much smaller and you have to keep the Ball closer to you to strike it cleanly. They should have left the rules as they were and just stop keeper Hurls being used to take penalties. Wexiko (Wexford) - Posts: 81 - 28/04/2016 20:52:41 1850569 Link 0 |
Only hurling, your proposal is a reasonable one for underage hurling. Wouldnt apply it to adult hurling though cos it could bring about a near 100% conversion rate, unless of course it went back to the old way of 3 men on the line. We are only going into the second year of this so it is far too early yet to consider making changes to it at adult level PoolSturgeon (Galway) - Posts: 1903 - 28/04/2016 21:00:25 1850572 Link 0 |
I remember seeing a penalty being caught by a player on the goal line in an U-16 game under the old rules so that has always been a problem. At the time the rule was brought in I felt it should have required the penalty taker to have 1 foot on or behind the 21 rather than having to strike the ball before it crosses the 21, I still think this would be a better solution. Still, what a pity that an unwritten rule of the game that was perfectly understood and respected by all players for decades has had to be changed by a small number of players taking advantage. Soma (UK) - Posts: 2630 - 29/04/2016 10:05:16 1850603 Link 0 |
I'd be interested to hear any opinions from any keepers on this matter, less men on the line means less fellas to get in your way when defending a strike, always remember Eugene Cloonan saying he'd always have a crack at goal from a 21 yard free with so many lads on the goal line MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13707 - 29/04/2016 10:54:08 1850624 Link 0 |