Lets say you have a player who has been part of a panel of player for four years. The team has won 3 All Ireland's in those 4 years.

The player in question was part of the panel the first year and didn't even make his debut all year and wasn't even named on the bench for the final.

The second year he was a non-playing substitute in the final despite coming off the bench for one or two matches all championship.

The third year he played all the games in the league and was started the first championship game but was dropped to the bench for the rest of the year making a few off the benc appearances now and there but failed to make the match day squad the day of the final.

How many All-Ireland medals would this player have been considered to have won?

deadybai (Kilkenny) - Posts: 63 - 28/07/2015 10:14:42    1760090

If he has three medals then he has won 3 All Irelands. It's a panel game now, not just a team game.

gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts: 4971 - 28/07/2015 10:50:21    1760119

All of them.

I was an unused sub on a team that won a county title. I thought my effort was worthless.

Later, coaching & managing, I realised the value that a hard working sub brings. They push the others in training, they are the tide that lifts the boat. Kilkenny in hurling have had subs that other counties could only dream about. Examples - Charlie Carter & Brian McEvoy in 2003.

slayer (Limerick) - Posts: 6480 - 28/07/2015 10:51:57    1760122

If you haven't contributed anything on the pitch all year then you shouldn't be getting a medal IMO. Personally if I wasn't on the pitch to contribute on All Ireland final day but still got a medal for being on the panel then that medal would mean zilch to me.

geoffmcgonagle (USA) - Posts: 54 - 28/07/2015 10:57:15    1760125

When you were part of the team or panel that won the medal.

pdempsey (Mayo) - Posts: 1313 - 28/07/2015 11:07:06    1760132

I was reading the programme at a Kilkenny match a while back, and there were lads I'd never heard of with 3 or 4 medals. Wonder what's the record for most medals with no matches?!

commercials1 (Limerick) - Posts: 115 - 28/07/2015 11:07:16    1760133

If you are part of a panel, put in the effort and get a medal as a result then why shouldn't it count? The more you get the more slices of toast you can butter at once!

Offside_Rule (Antrim) - Posts: 4058 - 28/07/2015 11:39:08    1760156

When you beat Limerick on the way to victory. Otherwise the value of the medal is diminished.

mike03 (Limerick) - Posts: 2000 - 28/07/2015 12:03:51    1760170

For the amount of time, effort and social life you're giving up to be on an all Ireland winning panel you fully deserve your medal

Victorious87 (Wicklow) - Posts: 597 - 28/07/2015 12:13:37    1760177

Not having a go at any county in particular, but if your team wins the All Ireland having played every game in their home ground, the medal wouldn't deserve the same merit. IMO.

bryanadams (Kildare) - Posts: 733 - 28/07/2015 12:23:28    1760187

bryanadams, well the only county you can be having a go at is Dublin? It's an incredibly stupid opinion, is Monaghans Ulster Championship not of the same merit as Donegals last year because it was played in Clones, get over yourself

Victorious87 (Wicklow) - Posts: 597 - 28/07/2015 12:32:59    1760193

Don't worry Bryan that county is going out this Sunday. Sean Quigley to kick 19 points, all from play.

gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts: 4971 - 28/07/2015 12:51:47    1760207

@bryanadams

Education: the act or process of imparting or acquiring general knowledge, developing the powers of reasoning and judgment, and generally of preparing oneself or others intellectually for mature life.

a) Its not Dublins home ground, that's Parnell Park. A real GAA man would know that, we've played you there many times over the years, albeit mainly in the cold months. Do you know there are football games played then?

b) You should write a strongly worded letter to Kildares representative to the Leinster Council. They vote on stuff like Dublin playing games in Croker. Literally, that's what they vote in favour of.

DNS1916 (Dublin) - Posts: 64 - 28/07/2015 13:19:54    1760228

It is the same Gold Medal regardless. The medals are presented to the panel of players and should be accepted accordingly.

fainleog (Limerick) - Posts: 598 - 28/07/2015 13:32:25    1760236

DNS1916
County: Dublin
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1760228 @bryanadams

Education: the act or process of imparting or acquiring general knowledge, developing the powers of reasoning and judgment, and generally of preparing oneself or others intellectually for mature life.

a) Its not Dublins home ground, that's Parnell Park. A real GAA man would know that, we've played you there many times over the years, albeit mainly in the cold months. Do you know there are football games played then?

b) You should write a strongly worded letter to Kildares representative to the Leinster Council. They vote on stuff like Dublin playing games in Croker. Literally, that's what they vote in favour of.

Denial, denial, denial.

bryanadams (Kildare) - Posts: 733 - 28/07/2015 14:53:22    1760294

There was a case at club level where I played a few minutes on first team which prevented me from playing any football with any other teams in championship. When we made it to the final and won I felt uncomfortable. Sure enough I had trained but I didnt have any input in the outcome of any games and it all just felt wrong.
Since then I have played for second team in championship and have been worth every medal I have gotten. I have medals that mean alot more to me than that senior medal.

In saying that I think at inter county level any player who does the training, goes on special diet, gives up the beer etc and doesnt get the game time deserves a hell of a lot of credit and deserve their all ireland medal should their team win it.

I guess a medal is whatever the receiver makes of it.

dstuction (Donegal) - Posts: 1209 - 28/07/2015 15:38:45    1760327

@Bryanadams ; Bryan me aul flower this is a question you shouldn't really have to ponder because the subject matter is something that no Kildare player will have to think about for a very very long time ! In the meantime the sales of gold and silver Polish in the capital have reached an all time high and it is expected to continue for the foreseeable future ! Stop moaning now like a good lad!

DUBJOHN (Dublin) - Posts: 932 - 28/07/2015 15:40:16    1760329

It's all very well saying that one medal is as good as the other. Not making the subs bench for the AI final is a serious downer and the medal does NOT feel the same!!

realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 8589 - 28/07/2015 18:48:03    1760437

Joe Brolly tells a story about when he met Pat Spillane at a sports function/event. I think Pat was accompanied by a younger member of the Spillane clan......when Pat spotted Joe, he introduced him as being "someone with one All Ireland medal"....priceless !!

ExiledCuCu (Cavan) - Posts: 226 - 28/07/2015 19:48:16    1760469

If you bump into Noel Skehan down there some day deadybai ask him how many All Ireland medals he has won.

Maroonatic (Galway) - Posts: 1060 - 28/07/2015 19:55:29    1760477