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Eire Og Greystones situation

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What's everyones thoughts on the Eire og situation?

WW9 (Wicklow) - 27/09/2017 18:23:35    2051114

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What situation ?? I haven't heard of anything on the grapevine. Surely it's now a case of shutting the stable door when the horse has bolted. Best course of action in my opinion is to try to ensure the same situation doesn't arise again for any club. As regards comments attacking the County Board, the best way to do that is at the County Convention. These guys go forward for election every year. Who votes them in if they are so unpopular??

Freethinker (Wicklow) - 27/09/2017 19:45:02    2051135

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Replying To Freethinker:  "What situation ?? I haven't heard of anything on the grapevine. Surely it's now a case of shutting the stable door when the horse has bolted. Best course of action in my opinion is to try to ensure the same situation doesn't arise again for any club. As regards comments attacking the County Board, the best way to do that is at the County Convention. These guys go forward for election every year. Who votes them in if they are so unpopular??"
Have to agree with the post. The damage is done now. I agree with Dr Cuddihy and he's right to make a stance. These incredibly inept people are voted in ea h term by club reps and it's about time people stood up to them. We need new blood and we need it so badly !!!

Whocares (Wicklow) - 27/09/2017 22:39:59    2051189

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when someone like Brendan cuddithy steps down in protest .the county board should take
notice and review there key personnel as well
as there fair play procedures.
a man like this does not make a decision through emotion .he is a man of integrity who
has everyone's respect.
# make a stand .create a change.

Namstap (Wicklow) - 28/09/2017 10:47:57    2051270

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No point in complaining in September to something that was agreed to in spring. Yes let's make a stand but that's next years business

jokeshop (Wicklow) - 28/09/2017 18:34:41    2051433

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Can anyone explain how such a situation was allowed to develop considering the small number of clubs involved in the senior championship and the lack of intercounty activity other than the under21s. Surely the senior championship should havd been started early enough to accomodate draws and replays. It is totally unfair to expect players to play 2 games within 24 hours. I can understand the annoyance and anger that this situation has generated especially when we are always going on about how we need the highly populated centres on the east coast to produce competitive teams. When they do then we treat them like this!! If the players do boycott the county team then it is a major blow to John Evans before he begins his term as I was just remarking last Sunday that there were at least 4 players who could be potential county players. There is enormous work going on in the club as is evident from their progress in hurling and football at adult and juvenile level and this work must be appreciated by the county board by showing the club and the players the respect they deserve. Show respect get respect. The gaa in Wicklow reminds me of the Greek myth of Sisyphus

leftfoot (Wicklow) - 28/09/2017 19:41:54    2051449

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Replying To leftfoot:  "Can anyone explain how such a situation was allowed to develop considering the small number of clubs involved in the senior championship and the lack of intercounty activity other than the under21s. Surely the senior championship should havd been started early enough to accomodate draws and replays. It is totally unfair to expect players to play 2 games within 24 hours. I can understand the annoyance and anger that this situation has generated especially when we are always going on about how we need the highly populated centres on the east coast to produce competitive teams. When they do then we treat them like this!! If the players do boycott the county team then it is a major blow to John Evans before he begins his term as I was just remarking last Sunday that there were at least 4 players who could be potential county players. There is enormous work going on in the club as is evident from their progress in hurling and football at adult and juvenile level and this work must be appreciated by the county board by showing the club and the players the respect they deserve. Show respect get respect. The gaa in Wicklow reminds me of the Greek myth of Sisyphus"
The clubs voted to defer the championship for a month. Why? Which clubs? That's why this farce happened. Ask your delegates what way they voted

Onlywayisup (Wicklow) - 28/09/2017 21:37:33    2051494

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If Eire Og had won the games, would they be whinging about this? would Dr. Cudidhy have stepped down? I doubt very much. Clubs only tend to complain when they get beaten! going forward what would sort situations like this out, would be to have flood lighs installed at Aughrim, so if needed matches in particular replays can be played midweek in Aughrim. We must be one of the only countys not to have our county pitch flood lit?

ww14 (Wicklow) - 29/09/2017 09:59:04    2051596

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Replying To ww14:  "If Eire Og had won the games, would they be whinging about this? would Dr. Cudidhy have stepped down? I doubt very much. Clubs only tend to complain when they get beaten! going forward what would sort situations like this out, would be to have flood lighs installed at Aughrim, so if needed matches in particular replays can be played midweek in Aughrim. We must be one of the only countys not to have our county pitch flood lit?"
No Eire Og probably wouldnt have complained if they had won but they never should have being in this situation to begin with, considering the fact there are only 7 teams in the senior hurling championship and the 1st game was played on the 20th of June why isn't it over?

If the Eire Og players do boycott counties it would be a huge loss, Darren Hayden, Stephen Kelly and Pete Keane are all excellent and key parts of the county set up.

I do agree that Aughrim needs flood lights

WW9 (Wicklow) - 29/09/2017 10:26:00    2051602

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According to today's Herald no Greystones player will be making themselves available for the senior hurlers or footballers next season.
Darren Hayden, Stephen Kelly, Peter Keane, Billy Cuddihy and Anto Byrne will be among those not playing.

rockyV (Wicklow) - 29/09/2017 16:16:20    2051741

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Replying To rockyV:  "According to today's Herald no Greystones player will be making themselves available for the senior hurlers or footballers next season.
Darren Hayden, Stephen Kelly, Peter Keane, Billy Cuddihy and Anto Byrne will be among those not playing."
Onlywayisup, is spot on. The original masters fixtures list was deferred by the county board when Mick Hagen was in hospital.

This was at the behest of some of the senior football clubs who fancied their chances in the championship but were having a rough league campaign. It should all be in the minutes of the meeting so request them and put the cat amongst the pigeons.

The motion should never have been given floor time the county board/the clubs had already voted on the original one. Weak management in my opinion.

thelastgael (Wicklow) - 29/09/2017 19:28:37    2051785

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Every summer there is a dispute on the domestic front in wicklow and it is doing huge damage to the reputation of the county; it has even made the forum on the main hogan stand page where one contributor referred to wicklow gaa as a wasteland and it is ever harder to defend the gaa in wicklow because we are constantly shooting ourselves in the foot. This needs to be resolved properly and should never be repeated again. With a number of clubs with their own floodlights, it is beyond belief that the county grounds is one of the few that doesn't have lights. Championship matches should be played during the week if required during the summer months to ensure that a team doesn't have to play 2 games in the space of 2 days but when you have weak management; this is what you get. A fixtures list should be produced at the start of the year and should be adhered to with only exceptional circumstances be listened to for a re fixture such as a death or an unforeseen event, other than that, all fixtures should be mandatory. September started on a positive note with John Evans been appointed to the senior football role and Anthony Nolan being picked to referee the all ireland minor final but this event has left a bad taste in the mouth and I hope a resolution can be found so that these Eire Og players can return to the county setup because we badly need them plus we need clubs to be progressing just like Eire Og have been doing on both the football and hurling fronts; they should not be punished for this progress as happened in this case.

wicklowsupport (Wicklow) - 30/09/2017 11:06:54    2051889

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Replying To rockyV:  "According to today's Herald no Greystones player will be making themselves available for the senior hurlers or footballers next season.
Darren Hayden, Stephen Kelly, Peter Keane, Billy Cuddihy and Anto Byrne will be among those not playing."
Hopefully these players will change their mind because they are all great players and it would be a shame to see them leave on such negative terms after the service they have given to the county.

It's unfortunate that John Evans will have to plan without the two lads and any other Eire Og players he may have had interest in.

WW9 (Wicklow) - 30/09/2017 11:44:50    2051899

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Replying To ww14:  "If Eire Og had won the games, would they be whinging about this? would Dr. Cudidhy have stepped down? I doubt very much. Clubs only tend to complain when they get beaten! going forward what would sort situations like this out, would be to have flood lighs installed at Aughrim, so if needed matches in particular replays can be played midweek in Aughrim. We must be one of the only countys not to have our county pitch flood lit?"
That's just a ridiculous point on 2 fronts (i) They did complain before the lost either game. Did you not read their chairman's interview in the Wicklow People ? They complained, and complained again, and again. But got nowhere. They considered withdrawing. And (ii) Have you considered they lost 1 or both games because of the position they were put in ? While Glenealy & Baltinglass were given a clear week to prepare for their game - Eire Og had to plan for 2 games all week. For 1 moment think what that must have been like for the coaches and the 8 dual players required to prepare for 2 huge championship games.

ogra (Wicklow) - 01/10/2017 19:49:00    2052174

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Replying To ogra:  "That's just a ridiculous point on 2 fronts (i) They did complain before the lost either game. Did you not read their chairman's interview in the Wicklow People ? They complained, and complained again, and again. But got nowhere. They considered withdrawing. And (ii) Have you considered they lost 1 or both games because of the position they were put in ? While Glenealy & Baltinglass were given a clear week to prepare for their game - Eire Og had to plan for 2 games all week. For 1 moment think what that must have been like for the coaches and the 8 dual players required to prepare for 2 huge championship games."
It appears to me that there are two issues emerging here arising mainly from a decision made early in the year while someone was indisposed. One is the issue of a dual club having to play two semi-finals in two days. There is something troubling about that decision which needs to be looked into. That any club should have to play two important games on consecutive days is just plain wrong, full stop. The second issue is whether some of the finest footballers and hurlers in the county will make themselves available for selection for the county panels. This would be a disaster for both players and the county teams in my opinion should they choose to not make themselves available. To me, the first issue can only be resolved at county board level by all club delegates with the best interests of football and hurling in the county at heart ensuring that this can never happen again. Unfortunately some delegates only have their own sectional interests when voting. This has always been the way in Wicklow. The second issue is entirely up to those players, all of whom have my sympathy for the situation they find themselves in. It seems a bit trite to say but two wrongs never make a right, but as I said before, they would have my respect whatever they decide.

Freethinker (Wicklow) - 01/10/2017 20:53:32    2052199

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Replying To Freethinker:  "It appears to me that there are two issues emerging here arising mainly from a decision made early in the year while someone was indisposed. One is the issue of a dual club having to play two semi-finals in two days. There is something troubling about that decision which needs to be looked into. That any club should have to play two important games on consecutive days is just plain wrong, full stop. The second issue is whether some of the finest footballers and hurlers in the county will make themselves available for selection for the county panels. This would be a disaster for both players and the county teams in my opinion should they choose to not make themselves available. To me, the first issue can only be resolved at county board level by all club delegates with the best interests of football and hurling in the county at heart ensuring that this can never happen again. Unfortunately some delegates only have their own sectional interests when voting. This has always been the way in Wicklow. The second issue is entirely up to those players, all of whom have my sympathy for the situation they find themselves in. It seems a bit trite to say but two wrongs never make a right, but as I said before, they would have my respect whatever they decide."
I agree with you Freethinker. I don't think the players should pull out of County duties over this issue. It's only doubling the punishment for themselves.

I think the Eire Og club have done a fairly good job in highlighting this over the past week, thanks in no small part to Dr. Cuddihy's stance, and should now bring it up at County Convention again with a view to it never happening again.

ogra (Wicklow) - 01/10/2017 21:00:52    2052202

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County board favouring certain clubs !! Hardly
I would plead with the county players to make themselves available as this could be a once in lifetime chance with Evans

curnew (Wicklow) - 02/10/2017 15:01:44    2052429

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I don't believe the Eire Og players should withdraw from county teams but I can fully understand their frustration and that of the fellow club members. If anyone is naive enough to think this scenario would arise if certain other clubs were in a similar position then they need a reality check. The status quo at county board level ensures parish pump politics and vested interests are the norm. Said it before but I think we are so inept at administration that we could do with central council intervention for a number of years to set up correct procedures that remain unaffected by whatever hold certain clubs have on the county board.

townieee (Wicklow) - 02/10/2017 15:54:11    2052454

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Replying To townieee:  "I don't believe the Eire Og players should withdraw from county teams but I can fully understand their frustration and that of the fellow club members. If anyone is naive enough to think this scenario would arise if certain other clubs were in a similar position then they need a reality check. The status quo at county board level ensures parish pump politics and vested interests are the norm. Said it before but I think we are so inept at administration that we could do with central council intervention for a number of years to set up correct procedures that remain unaffected by whatever hold certain clubs have on the county board."
Townieee , I fully agree and have advocated on numerous topics here over the past year that the only viable solution I see to our administration incompetence is for Leinster Council or Croke Park to step in and take direct control of all GAA administration within the County. The topics on here being debated are the same as 10 years ago and 10 years before that as well -fixtures, discipline, coaching, sponsorship, games promotion. Under the current regime nothing will change and the current regime will ensure that they will live on. The build- up to & execution of County Convention is a monument to stroke politics as the "old guard" cling to power by calling in outstanding favours and strategically keeping new blood outside the tent. Our only hope is that the GAA recognise the strategic importance & potential of investing in Wicklow however this could never be achieved under the existing regime.

Hawkeye2 (Wicklow) - 02/10/2017 16:39:00    2052473

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Fair play to the Eire Og players. They are serious footballers and hurlers, and are right in my opinion to withdraw over this issue. Your Co Board clearly had no regard for their welfare.

Also, obviously I'm an outsider. I had a chat last week about this situation with a lad I work with from Meath, and we both agreed this never would have happened to one particular club in Wicklow anyway. The bias/politics in Wicklow are clear to see even from far away.

icehonesty (Wexford) - 03/10/2017 13:55:02    2052705

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