Wicklow - Wicklow in 2017

Replying To Hawkeye2:  "I am not sure about all this talk of High Performance and pointing the finger at Magee for a perceived lack of it. I am no apologist for Magee and some recent team selections are highly questionable. However you cannot talk about HP without addressing the cost that this entails. As has been shown over the last two years Wicklow lie in or around the bottom in terms of total euros spent on County team preparation, spending vastly inferior sums even when compared to other counties who concentrated mainly on one code like Kilkenny. When you see what the definition of HP is for other counties with warm weather training camps, individually tailored nutrition, overnight accommodation prior to match day (apparently Kerry travelled to Cavan last Friday, two days before the game) , access to state of the art medical, physio & rehab personnel & facilities, Defence coaches, attacking coaches, state of the art all weather training facilities , dedicated backroom staff for statistics, opposition scouting & briefing, psychologists, sponsored cars etc. I'm sure Magee would make good use of all of these but as we know there is zero chance of any of this stuff being available in Wicklow. In what other county would the burden of attracting a main sponsor fall on the County Manager? Would Davy Fitz or Eamon Fitz entertain that? As usual in Wicklow everything is amateur hour. Even little things like last Sunday in Aughrim and the PA system not working again. I can remember back to matches in the mid 90s in Aughrim when it was the subject of amusement among supporters when the PA system would cut out half way through a sub being announced. As with a lot of other things in the GAA, 25 years on and nothing has changed in Wicklow."
Agreed Hawkeye a lot of the set up is fairly amateur. Some might think the PA system has nothing to do with how the players perform but you're right it has an influence on the culture that they are asked to prepare under.
But let's be clear HP, professionalism and amateurism isn't about money or resources. They are in the very same bracket as the PA system - it is a culture, an environment and an attitude. These things are free and the catalyst for culture change is not monetary. Like all things it is people. People drive change.
What the senior team lacks to challenge at a decent intercounty level is free - it is a HP mindset, HP preparation and that does not mean a backroom team costing 1000s and more, it is simply the required leadership

wicklu (Wicklow) - Posts:299 - 28/03/2017 11:36:24   1972193

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Replying To wicklu:  "Agreed Hawkeye a lot of the set up is fairly amateur. Some might think the PA system has nothing to do with how the players perform but you're right it has an influence on the culture that they are asked to prepare under.
But let's be clear HP, professionalism and amateurism isn't about money or resources. They are in the very same bracket as the PA system - it is a culture, an environment and an attitude. These things are free and the catalyst for culture change is not monetary. Like all things it is people. People drive change.
What the senior team lacks to challenge at a decent intercounty level is free - it is a HP mindset, HP preparation and that does not mean a backroom team costing 1000s and more, it is simply the required leadership"
Wicklu , agree 100% that a lot of it has to do with the culture, motivation and attitude of the individual. This was even more important 10 years ago when, by & large, most inter county team preparation was similar, there was a somewhat level playing field and commitment, attitude & belief could make all the difference. Mick O'Dwyer's influence proved that. However times have moved on & Wicklow have not. I have no doubt that we have lads on the existing squad that can give no more in terms of commitment & attitude. However I am sure there are another 6 - 10 lads out there (including recent retirees and lads who have "opted out") who are looking at their peers in other counties , togging out with them in College teams etc and are seeing the difference in their set-up versus what we have in Wicklow. Are you gonna give that commitment, ambition & professionalism to a set up administered by our County Board who it seems have zero ambition and complete lack of professionalism. Or instead would you go off to Boston or Chicago for the summer and get a few quick for yourself and play in teams that are better run and better funded than our county set-up. Players are no longer going to give blind commitment when they are getting nothing in return but look up the road and see the incentives and rewards available for the same levels of commitment.

Hawkeye2 (Wicklow) - Posts:51 - 28/03/2017 12:33:39   1972213

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Replying To Hawkeye2:  "Wicklu , agree 100% that a lot of it has to do with the culture, motivation and attitude of the individual. This was even more important 10 years ago when, by & large, most inter county team preparation was similar, there was a somewhat level playing field and commitment, attitude & belief could make all the difference. Mick O'Dwyer's influence proved that. However times have moved on & Wicklow have not. I have no doubt that we have lads on the existing squad that can give no more in terms of commitment & attitude. However I am sure there are another 6 - 10 lads out there (including recent retirees and lads who have "opted out") who are looking at their peers in other counties , togging out with them in College teams etc and are seeing the difference in their set-up versus what we have in Wicklow. Are you gonna give that commitment, ambition & professionalism to a set up administered by our County Board who it seems have zero ambition and complete lack of professionalism. Or instead would you go off to Boston or Chicago for the summer and get a few quick for yourself and play in teams that are better run and better funded than our county set-up. Players are no longer going to give blind commitment when they are getting nothing in return but look up the road and see the incentives and rewards available for the same levels of commitment."
Resources are an issue but better to have the right environment/ culture and no resources than have all the resources you could ask for and our current environment/ culture.
When we have the right setup (or more accurately, something resembling the right set up) we can compare resources and money but we're not on a level playing field predominantly because of our personnel and culture and secondly because of inferior resources. I know which one I'd prefer to focus on... it's the one that is in our power to improve
The resources issue takes time and is currently out of immediate control

wicklu (Wicklow) - Posts:299 - 28/03/2017 12:59:54   1972225

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Aughrim on Sunday, after all the money, Micko etc...a few years on it ended up with an 11 point hammering at home By Carlow. Last summer lost the qualifier in Carlow by 5 I think, last year lost at home too to Carlow.

The Real 1944 (Carlow) - Posts:1048 - 29/03/2017 00:35:32   1972603

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Are there no group teams in this years championship? I see Kilbride and Lackan have amalgamated at intermediate level but have North District folded also?

hardybuck28 (Wicklow) - Posts:106 - 29/03/2017 10:59:02   1972662

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"The lads are good footballers but sometimes when a team is coming at you the natural instinct is to go back to what you do for your club."

I see Magee is trying to put blame on Wicklow clubs being the reason why Wicklow not closing out games. Thank you for your effort in securing new sponsorship Johnny but no thanks for your on-field efforts. 3 more games and it's goodnight.

neutralfan (Wicklow) - Posts:186 - 31/03/2017 10:42:45   1973466

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Replying To neutralfan:  ""The lads are good footballers but sometimes when a team is coming at you the natural instinct is to go back to what you do for your club."

I see Magee is trying to put blame on Wicklow clubs being the reason why Wicklow not closing out games. Thank you for your effort in securing new sponsorship Johnny but no thanks for your on-field efforts. 3 more games and it's goodnight."
3 more games ? Go now.

sponger (Wicklow) - Posts:2647 - 02/04/2017 16:49:17   1974170

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Replying To sponger:  "3 more games ? Go now."
Westmeath and Wexford may have been promoted by Laois are coming down along with Antrim who are back again. It will be tough again next season.

Jack L (All) - Posts:2690 - 02/04/2017 18:08:41   1974248

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Replying To Jack L:  "Westmeath and Wexford may have been promoted by Laois are coming down along with Antrim who are back again. It will be tough again next season."
What're you on about? Jack L

wicklu (Wicklow) - Posts:299 - 02/04/2017 18:32:00   1974283

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Few players absconded?
Tommy K gone anyway. Anyone else?

wicklu (Wicklow) - Posts:299 - 05/04/2017 21:09:04   1976191

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Replying To Onion Breath:  "Ha, you're utterly deluded Gaeden Rebel if you think Wicklow have the players to compete with Carlow. You obviously weren't at the game yesterday because if you were you wouldn't have said that. Men against boys.

Too many Wicklow players are utterly inept at even Div 4 level and ye can blame your manager and set up all you like but unless you bring Micko back and start poaching again you won't get near Carlow anytime soon. In case you hadn't noticed we didn't even play close to our strongest team yesterday, no Brendan Murphy, Hughie Gahan or Daniel St. ledger. If we needed to win by 30 points points yesterday we could have done so so get back in your box with your nonsense. Reality is Wicklow will soon be closer to Kilkenny standard than Carlow the way things are going for ye and no manager wil change that. Enjoy."
Onion Breath you must be having a laugh? Wicklow, Carlow, there's not much difference between the teams. We played you in Dr. Cullen 2 or 3 years ago and hammered you, if my memory serves me right we scored 2-25 that day. Are you saying we've gone backwards that much in 2 or 3 years? We have lost some players since then no doubt, and have gone back, but you're telling me Carlow are now streets ahead? I think Wicklow's problem is attitude and setup. The players don't believe they can really win a big game for their county when they go out and play because they're Wicklow. I'm aware we don't have a team of world beaters but I think, with the right setup and the right management, we can be good enough to compete with any team in Leinster bar Dublin and possibly Kildare. Don't forget we played Meath 2 years ago away from home and we were competitive. I always think back to 2009, and I know we had one of the best managers of all time, but we got to the LAST 12 in the back door, beating Down who got to the All-Ireland final the very next year. Nobody can say that the standard of player in Wicklow has dropped THAT much in 8 years. It's about the attitude of the management and the team, and how they are set up and trained.

wicklowjj (Wicklow) - Posts:17 - 23/04/2017 16:32:52   1981887

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