Westmeath - Football qualifiers: Westmeath v Armagh

Disappointing end to Westmeaths season a game that was there to be won and we just didn't have the bottle to go on and win it. Also I would say this game was lost on the line players like Denis Glennon and Shane Dempsey should have been brought in for the last 15 minutes natural forwards that surely would have got us the scores we would have needed to win this match. I would hope Tom Cribbin will now do the right thing and move on. We need to bring in some home based management the likes of Martin Flanagan, Fergal Wilson or John Keane for a three to five year period. Structures need to be put in place at minor and under 21 level to develop young players coming through.

Killucan59 (Westmeath) - Posts:12 - 09/07/2017 15:20:10   2012999

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Id agree with the above. At this stage I think it's the only option. If Cribben stays, I don't think he can take us any further.
Some good players at minor and at u21 level that just need the right environment and planning for the next five years. You see with Roscommon today the performance they in, the skill level and how they managed the game. It was only a couple of years ago they were playing Div 3/4 football. We have to get something in place to get to that.

badger11 (Westmeath) - Posts:12 - 09/07/2017 18:22:39   2013222

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Replying To Morty:  "'Not the time to be lashimg out at the players though I would suggest. They try their best and love their jersey as much as we do I believe'

I agree. Probably not my wisest choice to comment like that. They've obviously put in a savage effort and made big sacrifices all year long, I certainly admire them for that."
Fair play Morty. Any fair minded fan would have to agree they works their nuts off for the jersey. They'll be gutted they couldn't play better. Yeah I'd have liked to see Dempsey and Glennon get on. The scoring return considering the possession we had was very poor. Ger Egan was a big loss. Thought Boyle, Daly and Maguire were very good. Sherry, Heslin and Dolan did fairly well too. We ran out of ideas though. That missed free from Heslin just into injury time killed us unfortunately. Long time till next year but hopefully they will progress in division 3 and go again in the championship after that. Who knows maybe we can take Meath again :)

d7h (Westmeath) - Posts:18 - 09/07/2017 21:13:44   2013390

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I couldnt fault the players yesterday anyway, some embarrassing misses in front of goal but the hunger and work rate were there. Killian Daly was excellent in the middle for the kick outs, that worked very well. Armagh didnt come to Mullingar for a football match and were absolute thugs, a stronger referee would have dished out an early red card and let that be the end of it.
Sam Duncan didnt do too badly, either did McDaniels or Gardiner and its great to see a few new young lads come in, that game will stand to them going into next year and beyond.
I have it on good authority that Tom will be stepping aside this year, apparently the decision was made prior to the Armagh game but sure we will see how reliable my source is in the next few weeks :)
If Tom does go, and I think he should, I'd definitely like to see a Westmeath man in charge, we havent had a homegrown manager for probably 40 years and we need someone in there that knows what it means to pull on that beautiful maroon, whilst also having the respect of the players...Jack Cooney on a card with Wilson and Keane would be ideal, Id love to see it. Onwards and Upwards to next year, chins up lads I for one am very proud of our boys.
Iarmhi Abu.

Lakers.for.Sam (Westmeath) - Posts:57 - 09/07/2017 21:58:34   2013440

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Replying To Lakers.for.Sam:  "I couldnt fault the players yesterday anyway, some embarrassing misses in front of goal but the hunger and work rate were there. Killian Daly was excellent in the middle for the kick outs, that worked very well. Armagh didnt come to Mullingar for a football match and were absolute thugs, a stronger referee would have dished out an early red card and let that be the end of it.
Sam Duncan didnt do too badly, either did McDaniels or Gardiner and its great to see a few new young lads come in, that game will stand to them going into next year and beyond.
I have it on good authority that Tom will be stepping aside this year, apparently the decision was made prior to the Armagh game but sure we will see how reliable my source is in the next few weeks :)
If Tom does go, and I think he should, I'd definitely like to see a Westmeath man in charge, we havent had a homegrown manager for probably 40 years and we need someone in there that knows what it means to pull on that beautiful maroon, whilst also having the respect of the players...Jack Cooney on a card with Wilson and Keane would be ideal, Id love to see it. Onwards and Upwards to next year, chins up lads I for one am very proud of our boys.
Iarmhi Abu."
Westmeath should never had lost that game. A few very good individual performances. At the end of the day it wasn't Cribbin's fault that our players kicked wide after wide in the last 15 minutes. We had a few very good goal chances also but didn't take them either. Cribbin should get the respect he deserves. Getting us to two Leinster finals was a great achievement and after all one of the greatest football teams were the only team to beat us in Leinster over the last 3 years. How could you forget that day when Meath were beaten?! There is a decent team there. Some players with huge potential also, Dempsey, Holloway, Duncan, Coyne, Gardiner, Sayeh. It would be great to get Luke Loughlin back involved if he could be managed. I think it may good for the players to get a new voice for next year. One thing I hope is that all managers for next year are confirmed as soon as possible so they can take in club games over the summer, We don't want a situation where a manager is appointed in October. I think that's what happened then Bealin was appointed.

Matthew (All) - Posts:786 - 09/07/2017 23:35:41   2013546

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Replying To Matthew:  "Westmeath should never had lost that game. A few very good individual performances. At the end of the day it wasn't Cribbin's fault that our players kicked wide after wide in the last 15 minutes. We had a few very good goal chances also but didn't take them either. Cribbin should get the respect he deserves. Getting us to two Leinster finals was a great achievement and after all one of the greatest football teams were the only team to beat us in Leinster over the last 3 years. How could you forget that day when Meath were beaten?! There is a decent team there. Some players with huge potential also, Dempsey, Holloway, Duncan, Coyne, Gardiner, Sayeh. It would be great to get Luke Loughlin back involved if he could be managed. I think it may good for the players to get a new voice for next year. One thing I hope is that all managers for next year are confirmed as soon as possible so they can take in club games over the summer, We don't want a situation where a manager is appointed in October. I think that's what happened then Bealin was appointed."
Proud of the lads after that display Saturday. A tough game where they were taking knocks every time they went for the ball. From Darren Quinn onwards, there were plenty of good displays. Gutted for John Heslin, he would usually stick that over in his sleep! Happens the best of players. How Armagh escaped with only one red card baffles me. The list of dirty tackles was endless. John Egan nearly had his head took off him and a yellow was shown! No wonder he was frustrated at the end and got himself a black. Disappointing the Sunday game didn't mention the crazy number of fouls from Armagh! Did anyone see what happened Ger Egan? People beside me saying it was a dangerous tackle?

Alot of guys are too afraid to make mistakes and go for shots when the chance is there. This is where we lost that game.

Tom Cribben needs to walk, and let a new manager put some sort of structure back into the team. Lads cant even be certain of their position if Cribben names them on the friday. You can sense the nerves then when they are brought in. Lads need game time!! A lot of lads treated unfairly in that regard this year, namely Tom Mcdaniels, John Connellon, Shane Dempsey. This takes the confidence from these guys. How in the name of good was Denis Glennon not put in there to run at the Armagh defence. They would of fouled him all day long. Shane Dempsey the same!

Westmeath cannot afford to lose players like John Connellon and Denis Corroon! Lost respect for Cribben as a manager too, when he came out after the Dublin match and blamed it entirely on the players saying that they decided to play attacking football themselves. Its the managers job to come up with tactics that both the players and himself are happy with. Surely even if that was the case, he would of had a plan B for when it didnt work.

Freshen things up now. New Management. Get EVERY player back into the set up, and roll on 2018!! Onwards and Upwards.

wmeathgael04 (Westmeath) - Posts:13 - 10/07/2017 00:57:22   2013603

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tom cribben should go but im not so sure he will . the players are so tied in a negative frame of mind that they looked scared on saturday evening .
i know that i have had to defend dennis glennon on this forum and i find it ironic to see people posting that dennis should have been on . he not only should have been on but a leading part of the team . his experience alone would have been crucial . tom cribben and his management have ignored him and young shane dempsey . im sure that when the club championship gets going that players like glennon and dempsey will be leading lights for their clubs . i would ask the board to now look inside the county at either jack cooney or john keane and let our players play football
my last post for this year regarding the county team

mickcunningham (Westmeath) - Posts:888 - 10/07/2017 09:16:19   2013678

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Replying To mickcunningham:  "tom cribben should go but im not so sure he will . the players are so tied in a negative frame of mind that they looked scared on saturday evening .
i know that i have had to defend dennis glennon on this forum and i find it ironic to see people posting that dennis should have been on . he not only should have been on but a leading part of the team . his experience alone would have been crucial . tom cribben and his management have ignored him and young shane dempsey . im sure that when the club championship gets going that players like glennon and dempsey will be leading lights for their clubs . i would ask the board to now look inside the county at either jack cooney or john keane and let our players play football
my last post for this year regarding the county team"
Mick I don't know what your knowledge of westmeath football is but if you think cribben plays defensive football,why are you calling for keane or cooney,they are both un proven and are even more defensive that cribbin.

footiemad (Westmeath) - Posts:671 - 10/07/2017 12:03:02   2013888

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Cribbin needs to go but we dont need another ultra defensive coach like cooney or keane to replace him, luke dempsey could be ideal but dont think the county board would go back to him. I wouldnt be surprised if cribbin stays on as he is doing the job for free. More importantly we really need to get a plan in place and implemented from u12/u14 up and develope the players for the future without this we will never see days like the 00's again..

dec (All) - Posts:177 - 10/07/2017 13:03:46   2013964

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Replying To dec:  "Cribbin needs to go but we dont need another ultra defensive coach like cooney or keane to replace him, luke dempsey could be ideal but dont think the county board would go back to him. I wouldnt be surprised if cribbin stays on as he is doing the job for free. More importantly we really need to get a plan in place and implemented from u12/u14 up and develope the players for the future without this we will never see days like the 00's again.."
The first post that mentions the most important factor - money. Cribben is one of a small minority of managers who will train a team outside of his own (county or club) for free. Also he doesn't require massive amounts of cash to be spent on the running of the team (in comparison to some counties). So you're left with the local option, which is one that Westmeath haven't gone for in almost 30 years. Cooney and Dempsey have been mentioned here, but are they likely to want to give up their current roles which are compensating them better than the Westmeath job would?

Then there is the related issue of the county board's inability to think like a business and raise funds. Nobody could expect to compete financially with some of the bigger counties. It has become an arms race now, that Croke Park official need to get on top of. But in the meantime Westmeath county board need to decide if they want to compete or not, and when you see the tiny Westmeath crowd in Mullingar on Saturday then you can see why there is no cash to support the team. Of course, maybe they have decided not to compete, and in that case I expect Cribben to stay. And by the way, I don't think he has been all bad (beating Meath, Kildare and Offaly twice in championship), but he definitely should be replaced now.

Andy_Capp (Westmeath) - Posts:218 - 10/07/2017 13:31:27   2014011

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Replying To Lakers.for.Sam:  "I couldnt fault the players yesterday anyway, some embarrassing misses in front of goal but the hunger and work rate were there. Killian Daly was excellent in the middle for the kick outs, that worked very well. Armagh didnt come to Mullingar for a football match and were absolute thugs, a stronger referee would have dished out an early red card and let that be the end of it.
Sam Duncan didnt do too badly, either did McDaniels or Gardiner and its great to see a few new young lads come in, that game will stand to them going into next year and beyond.
I have it on good authority that Tom will be stepping aside this year, apparently the decision was made prior to the Armagh game but sure we will see how reliable my source is in the next few weeks :)
If Tom does go, and I think he should, I'd definitely like to see a Westmeath man in charge, we havent had a homegrown manager for probably 40 years and we need someone in there that knows what it means to pull on that beautiful maroon, whilst also having the respect of the players...Jack Cooney on a card with Wilson and Keane would be ideal, Id love to see it. Onwards and Upwards to next year, chins up lads I for one am very proud of our boys.
Iarmhi Abu."
Well Tom is an absolute gentleman, very gracious the way he stood down and admitted he had taken the side as far as he could...Would love a high profile manager to take us to the next level but unfortunately based on what I read in this forum we dont have the financial clout to attract such an individual...Imagine getting someone like James Horan in, the mind boggles. But as above, an absolute gent, and its no secret he pumped his own money into the team and did the job for peanuts, so I can see why the county board wouldnt want to lose him..

Realistically we will get a lower profile manager in and if we do hopefully it is from within the county. Thanks Tom Cribbin for everything you've done for us, especially that magic day against Meath which will remain one of the happiest and most enjoyable days of my life.

Iarmhi Abu.

Lakers.for.Sam (Westmeath) - Posts:57 - 15/07/2017 16:55:03   2016998

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Armagh beating Tipperary shows it was never going to be easy to beat them.

wonit1time (Westmeath) - Posts:390 - 16/07/2017 06:16:49   2017304

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Replying To wonit1time:  "Armagh beating Tipperary shows it was never going to be easy to beat them."
We should have though. We beat ourselves.

Jack_Sparrow (Westmeath) - Posts:738 - 16/07/2017 09:49:42   2017329

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Fair play to Kildare for having a bit of belief in themselves yesterday. Game was never in doubt, but, to score 1-17 against the Dubs was a superb effort. Our lads talked the talk beforehand about taking on Dublin but we never did from the moment the ball was thrown in. Yesterday's match just brought it all home again about just how poor Westmeath were.

Meridian (Westmeath) - Posts:412 - 17/07/2017 12:02:29   2018023

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