Meath - Cork v Meath

Replying To anfearbeag:  "Very hard to argue with any of that. I'm just very surprised that he has come out and said it so bluntly. It could go either of two ways for him. If the players respond to being called out so publicly, then it could be the making of the team. On the other hand they could go the other way, say "eff you" to McEntee and refuse to play for him. To be honest though I'm not sure that that would bother him - he would just bring in some lesser talented players who are willing to put in the hard work, and do things his way."
had a feeling this would happen sooner or later to be honest..

if andy cannot get this bunch to really go for it,then nobody can.

ziggy32001 (Meath) - Posts:7557 - 22/03/2017 21:18:06   1970163

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Replying To GlasagusOr:  "RD, too long to post, but I'll try anyway. I know you prefer reading the Westmeath Examiner :)

"McEntee fuming after performance against Cork" ..."manager sends a stern message to the players" ..."I'm hugely frustrated by that performance. Why do we have to wait until a situation like that before we can play like Meath teams are supposed to play? I don't understand that" ... "this has happened too often, for 40 minutes, we didn't try, didn't work hard enough, didn't apply ourselves, we didn't tackle, we didn't win 50:50 balls, we didn't make support runs, we did nothing that makes us a competitive team and that is hugely frustrating. I don't understand it" ... "then we show something and get back into the game" ..."then we start playing for ourselves again, taking shots from ridiculous angles and then trying to take shots with the outside of the foot (cough, cough) from areas we were never going to score from" and lots more.

No excuses etc., I'm not buying that (inexperience), I don't agree with that at all. Some of the guys that made some of the worst decisions out there were some of the most experienced we have".

"I didn't even feel we were genuinely committing to attack in the first half. Making token runs. We stood off them. The players have to work harder. We can't just show up one day and not the next, we can't show for one half and then not the next. That is not the way the game goes. You have to play every second of every minute of every game, that is something we have to get used to. That is down to attitude, not a physical thing. That is a weakness we have and unless we work on it and keep working and working and working then we are in trouble. If we don't work hard enough we are at best average, if we work hard enough we can compete with a lot of teams. There is only one way to turn that around and that is by working hard. Work harder every night at training and in every game".

"This is something that comes deep down in the players themselves. This has nothing to do with any other set up or anything like that. These lads have to decide that they either want it or they don't want it. It is now make up your mind time for a lot of guys"."
WELL DONE ANDY..................dealing with this attitude thing is long overdue.... some players were PAMPERED by being allowed get
away with poor attitude. EXAMPLES IN PRACTISE poor workrate such as not tracking back, not supporting the player on a run , going awol when needed, and standing hands on hips etc.. As he says in his interview it is poor attitude rather than physical inability to do the job.. "i want the jersey but not too much effort" Andy follow up on this , thats vital. .If some players dont like the heat....goodbye and thanks. .We know the players who consistently give their best....yes they make mistakes but nothing wrong with workrate . To me that is the best post match interview from the manager of a Meath in a long time . No doubt the PAMPERERS will say ah thats too hard on these lads etc. Rubbish...the payers would be the biggest beneficeries in the long run

nobull456 (Meath) - Posts:570 - 22/03/2017 21:19:56   1970164

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Replying To nobull456:  "WELL DONE ANDY..................dealing with this attitude thing is long overdue.... some players were PAMPERED by being allowed get
away with poor attitude. EXAMPLES IN PRACTISE poor workrate such as not tracking back, not supporting the player on a run , going awol when needed, and standing hands on hips etc.. As he says in his interview it is poor attitude rather than physical inability to do the job.. "i want the jersey but not too much effort" Andy follow up on this , thats vital. .If some players dont like the heat....goodbye and thanks. .We know the players who consistently give their best....yes they make mistakes but nothing wrong with workrate . To me that is the best post match interview from the manager of a Meath in a long time . No doubt the PAMPERERS will say ah thats too hard on these lads etc. Rubbish...the payers would be the biggest beneficeries in the long run"
its what was needed,now lets see how we respond to that..

ziggy32001 (Meath) - Posts:7557 - 22/03/2017 22:16:57   1970191

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Thanks for that glas hard to argue with that.
I think Andy has upped fitness, techniques , game plans etc. But the overall attitude is still a problem. He inherited all these problems and seems to be attitude is the one huge obstacle still in the way. We have right man, I probably would disagree with him going so bluntly in public, however that is his way, no excuses tell it as he sees it.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts:10986 - 22/03/2017 22:24:44   1970196

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Replying To royaldunne:  "Thanks for that glas hard to argue with that.
I think Andy has upped fitness, techniques , game plans etc. But the overall attitude is still a problem. He inherited all these problems and seems to be attitude is the one huge obstacle still in the way. We have right man, I probably would disagree with him going so bluntly in public, however that is his way, no excuses tell it as he sees it."
well the players could cry about it and do what a county team needs to do to challenge.

ziggy32001 (Meath) - Posts:7557 - 23/03/2017 08:25:48   1970264

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not too long ago that donegal had a serious issue with attitude and mentality and look what happened there..

ziggy32001 (Meath) - Posts:7557 - 23/03/2017 08:27:51   1970266

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Replying To royaldunne:  "Thanks for that glas hard to argue with that.
I think Andy has upped fitness, techniques , game plans etc. But the overall attitude is still a problem. He inherited all these problems and seems to be attitude is the one huge obstacle still in the way. We have right man, I probably would disagree with him going so bluntly in public, however that is his way, no excuses tell it as he sees it."
No i think he made his point strongly.........I have no doubt he will follow up doing one to ones with each player where he will definately gain ground on attitude........Exactly what was needed,and full credit to him. As they say he has grasped the nettle,and hope he has the patience to stick with it.
I would also fully respect the players who decided no i dont want to do this now. like Rooney and Nash. Again thanks to the current crop for their efforts so far,and stick with it. You have the honour of wearing that jersey, i

nobull456 (Meath) - Posts:570 - 23/03/2017 08:54:50   1970270

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All this talk of McEntee having a go at players publicly and how bad it is and how bad this is is total nonsense. He did not name players so no players will take it in any way personal. I think it showed good management. His reaction I think was more with a view to the next game where he wants team to be motivated to perform well. Going into the next game with many praising the team for coming back against Cork it would not surprise me if the team played a stinker against Fermanagh as that is the way of Meath teams in recent times, McEntee knows this too and wants the team to have a different mindset going into this game.

bdbuddah (Meath) - Posts:311 - 23/03/2017 09:33:58   1970276

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judging by the thumb downs,it seems some don't like the idea of having a strong manager.

ziggy32001 (Meath) - Posts:7557 - 23/03/2017 10:42:31   1970301

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I honestly don't understand some posters' response to Andy's comments on Sunday.
Do you think performing for 20 minutes of a game is good enough? Do you think that just because we came from 9 down that the players should get off scot free? If we were the ones to lose a 9 point lead, we would rightly be furious. So why should the manager accept what happened in the first 50 minutes just because the players managed to get their finger out for the last 20? He didn't name any players specifically so I don't see what the problem is.
Had McEntee just praised the comeback, I'd be a hell of a lot more worried about Sunday's game. I'm still worried about it, but I am a lot more confident of a better all round performance given McEntee's comments.

Ratoath Royal (Meath) - Posts:863 - 23/03/2017 11:26:08   1970322

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I think Andy knew exactly what he what he was at with his interview, the lads would have been happy with themselves for the comeback and then possibly be a bit over confident heading into the Fermanagh game. Andy's comments would be a kick up the back side for them thus keep them grounded and should send them out for the Fermanagh game with a bit of fire in their belly's. They will learn that Andy will only provide praise when a league / championship is finished and the team have achieved the very maximum possible. This game is a must win for Meath to have any chance of promotion. Galway have to go to Newry and win - that wouldn't be easy. But it would be immaterial if Meath dont win there next two games.
I would expect more of less the same team to start on Sunday but if certain players are producing the goods after 10 minutes they will be call ashore and will find it very difficult to get back on the starting 15.

anto_meath (Meath) - Posts:86 - 23/03/2017 11:33:43   1970327

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Replying To Ratoath Royal:  "I honestly don't understand some posters' response to Andy's comments on Sunday.
Do you think performing for 20 minutes of a game is good enough? Do you think that just because we came from 9 down that the players should get off scot free? If we were the ones to lose a 9 point lead, we would rightly be furious. So why should the manager accept what happened in the first 50 minutes just because the players managed to get their finger out for the last 20? He didn't name any players specifically so I don't see what the problem is.
Had McEntee just praised the comeback, I'd be a hell of a lot more worried about Sunday's game. I'm still worried about it, but I am a lot more confident of a better all round performance given McEntee's comments."
good post thank you,seems some supporters have gone soft too,or just accept the ordinary.

ziggy32001 (Meath) - Posts:7557 - 23/03/2017 12:51:21   1970373

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Replying To Ratoath Royal:  "I honestly don't understand some posters' response to Andy's comments on Sunday.
Do you think performing for 20 minutes of a game is good enough? Do you think that just because we came from 9 down that the players should get off scot free? If we were the ones to lose a 9 point lead, we would rightly be furious. So why should the manager accept what happened in the first 50 minutes just because the players managed to get their finger out for the last 20? He didn't name any players specifically so I don't see what the problem is.
Had McEntee just praised the comeback, I'd be a hell of a lot more worried about Sunday's game. I'm still worried about it, but I am a lot more confident of a better all round performance given McEntee's comments."
They were refreshing to hear, infact McEntee's comments gave a chuckle because he really does have a very direct no bullsh*t attitude and it was in stark contrast to MOD's style, who again in fairness comes across as a nice lad.

Anyway yes he was right, we only played well for 20 mins, we played poor to very poor for the other 50, that's not good enough and he called it straight up. I just hope that the modern player isn't too precious to handle straight talk.

Htaem (Meath) - Posts:7577 - 23/03/2017 21:11:15   1970541

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Replying To Htaem:  "They were refreshing to hear, infact McEntee's comments gave a chuckle because he really does have a very direct no bullsh*t attitude and it was in stark contrast to MOD's style, who again in fairness comes across as a nice lad.

Anyway yes he was right, we only played well for 20 mins, we played poor to very poor for the other 50, that's not good enough and he called it straight up. I just hope that the modern player isn't too precious to handle straight talk."
I am not sure long term lashing the team publicly is the way go. The thing is modern players are temperamental and its a massive ask to train with any county. So you have respect that side. Fine yeah maybe they needed a roasting publicly. But long term I not sure many players would stick it.

bobkarlgees (Meath) - Posts:593 - 24/03/2017 12:06:04   1970662

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Replying To bobkarlgees:  "I am not sure long term lashing the team publicly is the way go. The thing is modern players are temperamental and its a massive ask to train with any county. So you have respect that side. Fine yeah maybe they needed a roasting publicly. But long term I not sure many players would stick it."
well put in the effort required and there won't be anymore roasting.

ziggy32001 (Meath) - Posts:7557 - 24/03/2017 12:45:01   1970675

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Replying To bobkarlgees:  "I am not sure long term lashing the team publicly is the way go. The thing is modern players are temperamental and its a massive ask to train with any county. So you have respect that side. Fine yeah maybe they needed a roasting publicly. But long term I not sure many players would stick it."
I think the best managers bare their teeth early. I don't think it's something that will be a constant from Andy.

GlasgowRoyal (Meath) - Posts:135 - 24/03/2017 15:04:30   1970730

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Replying To GlasgowRoyal:  "I think the best managers bare their teeth early. I don't think it's something that will be a constant from Andy."
Thats it, he has said his piece and players know where they stand. If they dont preform then Andy will have to make required changes.

seadog54 (Meath) - Posts:826 - 24/03/2017 18:31:38   1970787

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