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What does everyone think about the new format? Personally I think it's a good choice and will help improve the grade

trueblue1995 (Meath) - Posts: 36 - 10/01/2017 11:49:49    1944509

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Replying To trueblue1995:  "What does everyone think about the new format? Personally I think it's a good choice and will help improve the grade"
Makes perfect sense and should have been introduced years ago. It will mean that senior b teams will now play Junior teams in the quarter finals with their true junior players and not with 7 or 8 lads (or more) who end up on their Senior team.
But it's tough on Simonstown and O'Mahonys who pay the price for it happening at this specific point when they didn't know about it during last years fixtures.

Royal (Meath) - Posts: 20 - 10/01/2017 12:36:00    1944526

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Great Job, fair play to all involved in this. It will benefit the 2nd teams as well because later in the season they will play teams that have lost players also instead of strong junior teams, best teams still progress.

An_Oifigeach (Meath) - Posts: 220 - 10/01/2017 12:54:31    1944532

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The 2 navan sides wouldn't be guaranteed to go down, it states that they will see if a club wants to go down voluntarily.

NaNa (Meath) - Posts: 49 - 10/01/2017 13:00:14    1944534

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Replying To Royal:  "Makes perfect sense and should have been introduced years ago. It will mean that senior b teams will now play Junior teams in the quarter finals with their true junior players and not with 7 or 8 lads (or more) who end up on their Senior team.
But it's tough on Simonstown and O'Mahonys who pay the price for it happening at this specific point when they didn't know about it during last years fixtures."
Making it up as they go along. We now have Moynalty coming up out of the blue without a trophy, and Clonard staying up having been relegated a few short months ago. It all seems very on the hoof. No proper planning or thinking involved. Yet a very simple proposal to reduce SFC to 16 from Dunshaughlin (I think the main story on this site is incorrect in saying they wanted 12 teams) was referred to yet another sub-committee in spite of the fact that all of this was gone into in great detail last year by Liam Keane and his committee.

BarneysTie (Meath) - Posts: 258 - 10/01/2017 14:02:03    1944551

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I think it is a good solution.
You will have all Junior and Junior B first teams playing each other.
It removes the inequality of facing a strong second team in the first round that naturally weakens towards the end of the group stage.

There is no perfect solution for all parties involved but this is the most sensible solution proposed to date.

Royal_Gunner (Meath) - Posts: 534 - 10/01/2017 14:05:46    1944553

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If they cant find second teams volunteering to go down I would imagine this decision will get challenged. You cant make up new rules after a season is complete. Perhaps put the eight second teams in one group this year. Also what happens if one of the second teams gets relegated and there is no second team to come up. Does that mean the following year you have only 5 second teams in a group and one of the other groups will have seven.

Poormouth (Meath) - Posts: 204 - 10/01/2017 14:28:17    1944561

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I understand that if a first team wins junior B then then the bottom teams in group A and group B in junior are straight in to a relegation match, if a second team wins then Junior B then the bottom team in group C is automatically relegated. Seems a bit unfair as the worst team wont always be in relegation trouble.

On a side note, commiserations to Moynalty players who are now further away from winning a first team championship than ever.

I think the standard of games will improve in groups A and B and the passion that can only be invoked in Junior from two first teams playing each other will return to every round which can only be a good thing.

eogan (Meath) - Posts: 36 - 10/01/2017 15:53:11    1944584

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I understand that if a first team wins junior B then then the bottom teams in group A and group B in junior are straight in to a relegation match, if a second team wins then Junior B then the bottom team in group C is automatically relegated. Seems a bit unfair as the worst team wont always be in relegation trouble.

Wow if thats true a team could end up with no points or give walkovers etc and still not be in a relegation battle. Cant believe clubs voted for this.

Poormouth (Meath) - Posts: 204 - 10/01/2017 16:56:09    1944606

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Replying To eogan:  "I understand that if a first team wins junior B then then the bottom teams in group A and group B in junior are straight in to a relegation match, if a second team wins then Junior B then the bottom team in group C is automatically relegated. Seems a bit unfair as the worst team wont always be in relegation trouble.

On a side note, commiserations to Moynalty players who are now further away from winning a first team championship than ever.

I think the standard of games will improve in groups A and B and the passion that can only be invoked in Junior from two first teams playing each other will return to every round which can only be a good thing."
On a side note Moynalty won a championship last year.

dgaffer (Meath) - Posts: 22 - 10/01/2017 17:00:10    1944608

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Replying To NaNa:  "The 2 navan sides wouldn't be guaranteed to go down, it states that they will see if a club wants to go down voluntarily."
O'Mahony's should volunteer.

its the least they could do after they shamefully couldn't field a team in an A league match this year indirectly leading to Colmcilles being relegated. The biggest club in the county couldn't find 15 players???!!!

Crinigan (Meath) - Posts: 1318 - 10/01/2017 17:16:49    1944614

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Change was needed but this change has made the junior grade weaker. Two second teams have recently won junior B ahead of the likes of Moynalty. Also Clonard, Drumcondra, St Bridig's and Kilmainhamwood all lost and by big margins in the last round to second teams when they were at their 'weakest'. so pooling the second teams together was a good decision but reducing the number of second teams has lowered the standard of the JFC.

prideinthecrest (Meath) - Posts: 3 - 10/01/2017 17:45:59    1944629

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Totally unfair on whatever teams are relegated and they should oppose it. At this stage this proposal should have been for 2018 and at least then all second strings would know that the two worst performers this year would go down. Clonard should also be down as they were legitimately relegated. Find it hard to believe Moynalty volunteered to go up

Analyst (Meath) - Posts: 1467 - 10/01/2017 18:27:12    1944643

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I think the idea of having all first teams grouped and the second teams grouped makes sense. St Brigids had a torrid time a few years ago in the first few rounds against O mahonys who were just bringing back their top players.
I'm sure Moynalty are embarrassed about being promoted seeing as they have struggled for years to get out of the grade. Clonard staying in Junior A is also a bit of a joke. I think the proposals should go through for 2018 with a bit more thought into who goes up and down.

LetuceBFrank (Meath) - Posts: 67 - 10/01/2017 19:31:27    1944667

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Replying To dgaffer:  "On a side note Moynalty won a championship last year."
Well thats exactly why i said first team championship, i imagine their junior b players couldnt care less about junior d after losing 3 finals in recent times

eogan (Meath) - Posts: 36 - 10/01/2017 20:39:49    1944702

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Replying To LetuceBFrank:  "I think the idea of having all first teams grouped and the second teams grouped makes sense. St Brigids had a torrid time a few years ago in the first few rounds against O mahonys who were just bringing back their top players.
I'm sure Moynalty are embarrassed about being promoted seeing as they have struggled for years to get out of the grade. Clonard staying in Junior A is also a bit of a joke. I think the proposals should go through for 2018 with a bit more thought into who goes up and down."
Was Kilmainham 'embarrassed' a few years ago when they lost the junior final to their local rivals Drumbaragh and still got promoted to Intermediate? No. It's the same scenario here

PoppinPoints (Meath) - Posts: 225 - 10/01/2017 20:54:16    1944704

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Replying To LetuceBFrank:  "I think the idea of having all first teams grouped and the second teams grouped makes sense. St Brigids had a torrid time a few years ago in the first few rounds against O mahonys who were just bringing back their top players.
I'm sure Moynalty are embarrassed about being promoted seeing as they have struggled for years to get out of the grade. Clonard staying in Junior A is also a bit of a joke. I think the proposals should go through for 2018 with a bit more thought into who goes up and down."
Frank I don't feel Moynalty have anything to be embarrassed about, they are an extremely young side who have been presented with an opportunity to play at a higher level which will only serve to improve them as a team, they have not been plucked from nowhere ether, the chance to go up only comes from having reached a final. Surely its Clonard who should subject to your harsh words, after all they are the team who been proven as not good enough for the grade. Sport presents us with opportunity to test ourselves so i say well done to Moynalty GFC on taking the harder option and I look forward to them proving your words to be very foolish.

dgaffer (Meath) - Posts: 22 - 10/01/2017 21:54:30    1944721

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when is the football draws? it is usually broadcast on LMFM ?

overthehill72 (Meath) - Posts: 334 - 11/01/2017 09:02:45    1944764

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It's normally the 1st or 2nd Monday in February and yes it is broadcast on LMFM. So you go training on the Tuesday and the manager says "Right lads, it's 8 weeks to the 1st round!"

Jackpauric30 (Meath) - Posts: 19 - 11/01/2017 10:24:07    1944777

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Replying To dgaffer:  "Frank I don't feel Moynalty have anything to be embarrassed about, they are an extremely young side who have been presented with an opportunity to play at a higher level which will only serve to improve them as a team, they have not been plucked from nowhere ether, the chance to go up only comes from having reached a final. Surely its Clonard who should subject to your harsh words, after all they are the team who been proven as not good enough for the grade. Sport presents us with opportunity to test ourselves so i say well done to Moynalty GFC on taking the harder option and I look forward to them proving your words to be very foolish."
I don't think anyone should be saying that Moynalty should be embarrassed. I wouldn't imagine they had a huge amount of choice.

What would sadden me if I was a player with that club is that I've now been robbed of the chance to win a championship. You can talk about challenging yourself at a higher level and that's fine, but most players only want to be promoted via the traditional manner - winning their grade. That chance has been taken away from them, and while the administrators in the club might be happy, I would say a lot of the players are a bit disgruntled.

BarneysTie (Meath) - Posts: 258 - 11/01/2017 11:39:28    1944797

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