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Simonstown refusing to field

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Brave call from the county champions who refused to play at the weekend due to being without their county players. Will be interesting to see what action (if any) is taken by the county board. I would imagine there would be a lot of support for this stance from other clubs around the county who are similarly impacted.

BarneysTie (Meath) - Posts: 258 - 08/05/2017 14:42:47    1985210

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very simple,points awarded to na fianna,that is the rule is it not ?

thelutch (Meath) - Posts: 1047 - 08/05/2017 15:18:01    1985217

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If that's true (and it's the first I've heard of it), then surely Na Fianna simply get the points?

Ratoath Royal (Meath) - Posts: 1362 - 08/05/2017 15:26:21    1985221

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Replying To BarneysTie:  "Brave call from the county champions who refused to play at the weekend due to being without their county players. Will be interesting to see what action (if any) is taken by the county board. I would imagine there would be a lot of support for this stance from other clubs around the county who are similarly impacted."
sorry but if this is true it is a bit childish from them. other teams are actually hit harder too..

ziggy32001 (Meath) - Posts: 8354 - 08/05/2017 15:43:20    1985226

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I'm sure Na Fianna will get the points, but that wasn't really what I was getting at. I was talking about the broader issue of teams being forced to play without county men & protesting in such a fashion - this is the first time I can remember this happening. The awarding of points in this case is a minor issue. It'll be interesting to see if Simonstown go further with their protests or if other clubs support their position at the next meeting. Their near neighbours were on social media during week complaining that Cillian O'Sullivan was allowed to play for Moynalvey, and I believe Ratoath - although they played - expressed annoyance before their game at the weekend.

BarneysTie (Meath) - Posts: 258 - 08/05/2017 15:55:04    1985230

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Firstly the match is simply a walkover to Na Fianna ( any other outcome opens the floodgates. In principle they are correct and O mahoneys do have a point re cillian o sullivan. The real issue here is the nullifying of any credibility now in our A leagues, the issue is identical to the one that caused all the furore in the Junior championship with teams facing full strength sides later in the league. Imagine the difference in playing Moynalvey or Ratoath without their county hurlers/footballers and with full strength squads...Eg Nobber beat Ratoath last week, if ratoath were at full strength that should be a double digit win for Ratoath. 2 issues to be addressed
1. All or nothing, ie all clubs have their county players for a round of league matches or no one has them. Not fair when one side have theirs and the other doesn't
2. Designated rounds of A league where all players are made available should be known in advance of league starting. Tyrone have a system where all county players play in 12 out of 15 league matches

Analyst (Meath) - Posts: 1467 - 08/05/2017 16:43:38    1985244

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Replying To Analyst:  "Firstly the match is simply a walkover to Na Fianna ( any other outcome opens the floodgates. In principle they are correct and O mahoneys do have a point re cillian o sullivan. The real issue here is the nullifying of any credibility now in our A leagues, the issue is identical to the one that caused all the furore in the Junior championship with teams facing full strength sides later in the league. Imagine the difference in playing Moynalvey or Ratoath without their county hurlers/footballers and with full strength squads...Eg Nobber beat Ratoath last week, if ratoath were at full strength that should be a double digit win for Ratoath. 2 issues to be addressed
1. All or nothing, ie all clubs have their county players for a round of league matches or no one has them. Not fair when one side have theirs and the other doesn't
2. Designated rounds of A league where all players are made available should be known in advance of league starting. Tyrone have a system where all county players play in 12 out of 15 league matches"
That's not exactly fair either when ratoath have so many on panel it hits them harder then a club with just one

head4dblackspot (Meath) - Posts: 513 - 08/05/2017 17:04:46    1985252

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Replying To Analyst:  "Firstly the match is simply a walkover to Na Fianna ( any other outcome opens the floodgates. In principle they are correct and O mahoneys do have a point re cillian o sullivan. The real issue here is the nullifying of any credibility now in our A leagues, the issue is identical to the one that caused all the furore in the Junior championship with teams facing full strength sides later in the league. Imagine the difference in playing Moynalvey or Ratoath without their county hurlers/footballers and with full strength squads...Eg Nobber beat Ratoath last week, if ratoath were at full strength that should be a double digit win for Ratoath. 2 issues to be addressed
1. All or nothing, ie all clubs have their county players for a round of league matches or no one has them. Not fair when one side have theirs and the other doesn't
2. Designated rounds of A league where all players are made available should be known in advance of league starting. Tyrone have a system where all county players play in 12 out of 15 league matches"
Analyst - I agree with nearly all of your points. The value of the league is being diminished

The only slight issue I have is the all out nothing comment. Not every club has a county player while some have several - I believe ratoath had 9 players on county duty in both codes two weeks ago

The other issue this creates is for second team players who often end up doubling up

Royalblufill (Meath) - Posts: 475 - 08/05/2017 17:16:58    1985259

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Replying To Analyst:  "Firstly the match is simply a walkover to Na Fianna ( any other outcome opens the floodgates. In principle they are correct and O mahoneys do have a point re cillian o sullivan. The real issue here is the nullifying of any credibility now in our A leagues, the issue is identical to the one that caused all the furore in the Junior championship with teams facing full strength sides later in the league. Imagine the difference in playing Moynalvey or Ratoath without their county hurlers/footballers and with full strength squads...Eg Nobber beat Ratoath last week, if ratoath were at full strength that should be a double digit win for Ratoath. 2 issues to be addressed
1. All or nothing, ie all clubs have their county players for a round of league matches or no one has them. Not fair when one side have theirs and the other doesn't
2. Designated rounds of A league where all players are made available should be known in advance of league starting. Tyrone have a system where all county players play in 12 out of 15 league matches"
i do agree that it was unfair that moynalvy had o'sullivan and o'mahonys didn't have o'coillean.

ziggy32001 (Meath) - Posts: 8354 - 08/05/2017 17:20:30    1985260

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sillivan came on at half time when the game was 1 6 to 3 points accoriding to twitter so game was already good as won

moynalvey were short 5 county hurlers and harnan + o sullivan for most of the league + minor + u21 players at various points
at some games they were down nearly 10 players im told
if anybody should be refuse to field over it then it should be them

simonstown short 2 players?
big deal just play the game

hurlit (Meath) - Posts: 415 - 08/05/2017 18:40:24    1985278

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Replying To ziggy32001:  "sorry but if this is true it is a bit childish from them. other teams are actually hit harder too.."
Agreed, if it is true. Award na fianna points and move on. Childish.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 08/05/2017 19:21:23    1985287

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Are we sure this is the case? I have my doubts.

Ratoath Royal (Meath) - Posts: 1362 - 08/05/2017 20:01:06    1985293

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This has been going on my whole lifetime....County manager dictates who plays for club matches and when etc......they will all be released for championship.....why in God's name would he release players for league matches. I've never heard such BS whinging in all my life. Delighted NOM noses are out of joint for once.....it's actually hilarious there complaining about having to play without 1 county man against a rural club that struggle for numbers bigtime......don't know what the hell simonstown are at either....they should get fined on tip of the walkover

southmeathgael (Meath) - Posts: 888 - 08/05/2017 20:15:13    1985295

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Can I just ask, how many games of club football could be played if every team had to have their county players? You would have to reduce the number of teams in each league which isn't fair on the rest of the players either imo.

They didn't seem to mind last year when they were missing Tobin for most of the year because of county commitments and just because they have one extra player this year they are not happy because of it. They also didn't mind playing against Kells two weeks ago without their county players, why the sudden protest?

Barney123 (Meath) - Posts: 676 - 08/05/2017 20:27:47    1985301

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Replying To Barney123:  "Can I just ask, how many games of club football could be played if every team had to have their county players? You would have to reduce the number of teams in each league which isn't fair on the rest of the players either imo.

They didn't seem to mind last year when they were missing Tobin for most of the year because of county commitments and just because they have one extra player this year they are not happy because of it. They also didn't mind playing against Kells two weeks ago without their county players, why the sudden protest?"
childish,pathetic from simonstown to be honest. what about dunboyne,ash or ratoath? they are constantly missing players. simonstown should be proud.

ziggy32001 (Meath) - Posts: 8354 - 08/05/2017 20:58:11    1985306

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The game was fixed for Saturday night. There was a mass for all the Navan clubs at this time Saturday. Would this have anything to do with the game being called off?

Maestro (Meath) - Posts: 569 - 08/05/2017 20:59:58    1985308

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Replying To Maestro:  "The game was fixed for Saturday night. There was a mass for all the Navan clubs at this time Saturday. Would this have anything to do with the game being called off?"
Is there ANYTHING to be said for saying another mass???
God I love a good mass.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 08/05/2017 21:19:28    1985313

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Replying To Maestro:  "The game was fixed for Saturday night. There was a mass for all the Navan clubs at this time Saturday. Would this have anything to do with the game being called off?"
That would make a lot more sense. It was the day of the club after all.

Ratoath Royal (Meath) - Posts: 1362 - 08/05/2017 21:27:24    1985316

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Replying To Ratoath Royal:  "That would make a lot more sense. It was the day of the club after all."
So why was Simonstown's game the only one not to go ahead? Do you think the whole club was at mass?

BarneysTie (Meath) - Posts: 258 - 09/05/2017 06:37:38    1985338

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Replying To Ratoath Royal:  "That would make a lot more sense. It was the day of the club after all."
As I posted in the other thread, Simonstown explicitly stated why they didn't field.

Royal_Gunner (Meath) - Posts: 534 - 09/05/2017 07:40:44    1985341

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