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Replying To ziggy32001:  "well you can't say that. tend to go by 3 year cycles and then look at it again. but for sure not beating them in 3 years or getting close to doing so."
Been 7 years now, 12 of 13. As a young lad all I know is Dublin winning Leinsters. Like all the young Dub and Meath lads coming through. I don't know how this cycle will be reversed but let's hope it happens

LeitrimRoyal99 (Meath) - Posts: 1454 - 16/07/2017 18:22:18    2017551

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Replying To LeitrimRoyal99:  "Been 7 years now, 12 of 13. As a young lad all I know is Dublin winning Leinsters. Like all the young Dub and Meath lads coming through. I don't know how this cycle will be reversed but let's hope it happens"
agreed,but winning things at underage would help.

ziggy32001 (Meath) - Posts: 8354 - 16/07/2017 18:40:23    2017569

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Best case scenario meath v Dublin leinster quarter final next year. Best time to play Dublin as shown by carlow this year and laois last year. But it would have to be in tullamore or portlaoise. I'd give us a 1 in 20 chance then. If we win great if we lose great. We can forget about leinster good and early and focus on a run to the all Ireland quarters.

Jack_Goff (Meath) - Posts: 2920 - 16/07/2017 18:40:44    2017572

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Replying To LeitrimRoyal99:  "Been 7 years now, 12 of 13. As a young lad all I know is Dublin winning Leinsters. Like all the young Dub and Meath lads coming through. I don't know how this cycle will be reversed but let's hope it happens"
Yeah it would just turn young kids off the gaa. If you were 16 you'd remember 1 meath leinster and every other year Dublin. If you were from any other leinster county you'd not remember any. This period of dublin dominance is the worst in the history of leinster gaa and will have long lasting repercussions.

Jack_Goff (Meath) - Posts: 2920 - 16/07/2017 18:43:16    2017574

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Replying To Jack_Goff:  "Best case scenario meath v Dublin leinster quarter final next year. Best time to play Dublin as shown by carlow this year and laois last year. But it would have to be in tullamore or portlaoise. I'd give us a 1 in 20 chance then. If we win great if we lose great. We can forget about leinster good and early and focus on a run to the all Ireland quarters."
Due to seedings that can happen unfortunately.
Earliest could meet them would be semi finals. Which as we seen with westmeath, they were well warmed up.

Jinxie (Meath) - Posts: 6342 - 16/07/2017 19:22:05    2017621

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think we need to forget(to a degree) about championship for now and try and get to d1.

ziggy32001 (Meath) - Posts: 8354 - 16/07/2017 20:21:13    2017663

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We dont have panel at present to go all out for promotion while keeping something back for championship (super 8s) Cannot keep flogging same 15/20 players and hope to keep them fresh for championship. I think the introduction of the super 8s will diminish the league, with the top teams doing just enough to survive, resulting in a less competitive division one.

seadog54 (Meath) - Posts: 2136 - 16/07/2017 20:55:06    2017685

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Replying To seadog54:  "We dont have panel at present to go all out for promotion while keeping something back for championship (super 8s) Cannot keep flogging same 15/20 players and hope to keep them fresh for championship. I think the introduction of the super 8s will diminish the league, with the top teams doing just enough to survive, resulting in a less competitive division one."
support 8's is a terrible idea imo.

ziggy32001 (Meath) - Posts: 8354 - 16/07/2017 21:14:24    2017700

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Replying To seadog54:  "We dont have panel at present to go all out for promotion while keeping something back for championship (super 8s) Cannot keep flogging same 15/20 players and hope to keep them fresh for championship. I think the introduction of the super 8s will diminish the league, with the top teams doing just enough to survive, resulting in a less competitive division one."
Division one has to be priority for next year. (Despite some who thinks winning obc is a achievement) :)
It won't be easy we will have a new set up in Cork, a provincial winner in Roscommon a ulster finalist in Down to add to Louth tipp (both improving IMO) Clare lot more danger teams than last year with plenty of trips around country, I for one can't wait.
But I would hope Andy will focus on winning div 2 in style and following year we can make the super 8. One step at a time

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 16/07/2017 21:16:54    2017706

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Replying To royaldunne:  "Division one has to be priority for next year. (Despite some who thinks winning obc is a achievement) :)
It won't be easy we will have a new set up in Cork, a provincial winner in Roscommon a ulster finalist in Down to add to Louth tipp (both improving IMO) Clare lot more danger teams than last year with plenty of trips around country, I for one can't wait.
But I would hope Andy will focus on winning div 2 in style and following year we can make the super 8. One step at a time"
7 teams will feel they can go up imo. to be honest louth would be the weakest and see them going down.

ziggy32001 (Meath) - Posts: 8354 - 16/07/2017 21:47:09    2017720

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paddy o rourke is a wonderful goal keeper he should be made captain next year. I had to write that as the hogan stand dont want me to be negative about paddy or to be honest

meath1977 (Meath) - Posts: 534 - 16/07/2017 22:39:37    2017759

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Replying To ziggy32001:  "7 teams will feel they can go up imo. to be honest louth would be the weakest and see them going down."
Division one is a priority over everything, championship also. No future in division 2. Also get back a few players and we will give it a right good rattle. Throw in Tormey (hopefully but i doubt he will make it under the new mgm), Rooney, Forde. Looking forward to it already.

pretender (Meath) - Posts: 358 - 17/07/2017 09:30:41    2017879

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Replying To meath1977:  "paddy o rourke is a wonderful goal keeper he should be made captain next year. I had to write that as the hogan stand dont want me to be negative about paddy or to be honest"
Haha I knew you would see sense ! :)

grahamc9897 (Meath) - Posts: 1174 - 17/07/2017 10:32:21    2017929

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God Dublin are a scary prospect these days. It's a shame to see football so uncompetitive. Does anyone have club player numbers for all the counties because it's turning into a joke. The super 8 looks like being a disaster Dublin, Kerry and Mayo are miles ahead of the rest that most games will be a joke. Living in Ratoath all my life and we may as well surrender all of South Meath to Dublin. Young lads whose parents moved here from Dublin are not growing up as royal. I mean kids who have lived their whole life in Meath, who play for the big local clubs that are becoming a serious force in county championship. I don't blame the kids or the parents, it's the fact that so many Dubs have moved out here they now vastly out number the locals. In the past if a family moved to Ratoath or Navan you were moving to Meath and your family would grow up royal while Mammy or Daddy would still be Dubs as you would expect. Dunshaughlin now too is poised for massive development which will lead to the de greening of that town too. Clonee is a disaster zone. A major population centre where the to get to the pitch you have to drive to the far side of Dunboyne. The county board must step in to develop a proper club at that end of the county. I was in Ratoath at the physio a while ago and he told me his secretary had 2 sons on a Meath development panel but they were true blues. I despair at hearing such things as lads like this may be the best we have coming but they have no love for the Meath shirt, you literally want fellas who would die for it. This is the biggest crisis facing Meath football and the only way we can make inroads is for the current bunch we have to find a way to get up and into Dublins faces over the coming few years. Andy Mcenntee has a massive job on his hands so I say back him and stop the petty stuff. Accept his team selections and let's hope for better times ahead.

atta (Meath) - Posts: 698 - 17/07/2017 10:51:26    2017944

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Replying To ziggy32001:  "think we need to forget(to a degree) about championship for now and try and get to d1."
Yeah, Listing to the interview with Newstalk Sounds like Div 1 was the main or only priority for 2017. Its going to be tough to get promotion next year as in reality there in not much between all the teams in Div 2. So there is going at least 2 or 3 games where there will only be 1 or 2 points in it. And we going to need the steel to win them games.

I agree we could be better off aiming for peak fitness around spring time rather than June July, to achieve Div 1 promotion 2018. I have been saying that for awhile. Also hopefully we will be more prepared for the start of the league next year. I think we sleep walked in to first league game against Kildare this year. Hopefully next year we can use the OBC to fine tune league starters rather looking at new recruits like we did this year. Hopefully Andy will have a lot better idea of players he wants, now than he did 8/9 months ago.
2017 OBC was mainly about giving everyone a chance under new management.
Hopefully 2018 OBC will be about giving game time to fringe players.

bobkarlgees (Meath) - Posts: 1263 - 17/07/2017 11:01:20    2017957

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Replying To atta:  "God Dublin are a scary prospect these days. It's a shame to see football so uncompetitive. Does anyone have club player numbers for all the counties because it's turning into a joke. The super 8 looks like being a disaster Dublin, Kerry and Mayo are miles ahead of the rest that most games will be a joke. Living in Ratoath all my life and we may as well surrender all of South Meath to Dublin. Young lads whose parents moved here from Dublin are not growing up as royal. I mean kids who have lived their whole life in Meath, who play for the big local clubs that are becoming a serious force in county championship. I don't blame the kids or the parents, it's the fact that so many Dubs have moved out here they now vastly out number the locals. In the past if a family moved to Ratoath or Navan you were moving to Meath and your family would grow up royal while Mammy or Daddy would still be Dubs as you would expect. Dunshaughlin now too is poised for massive development which will lead to the de greening of that town too. Clonee is a disaster zone. A major population centre where the to get to the pitch you have to drive to the far side of Dunboyne. The county board must step in to develop a proper club at that end of the county. I was in Ratoath at the physio a while ago and he told me his secretary had 2 sons on a Meath development panel but they were true blues. I despair at hearing such things as lads like this may be the best we have coming but they have no love for the Meath shirt, you literally want fellas who would die for it. This is the biggest crisis facing Meath football and the only way we can make inroads is for the current bunch we have to find a way to get up and into Dublins faces over the coming few years. Andy Mcenntee has a massive job on his hands so I say back him and stop the petty stuff. Accept his team selections and let's hope for better times ahead."
I think its sad if parents are taking there children out of there the community's to play else where.

bobkarlgees (Meath) - Posts: 1263 - 17/07/2017 11:43:23    2018000

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Replying To atta:  "God Dublin are a scary prospect these days. It's a shame to see football so uncompetitive. Does anyone have club player numbers for all the counties because it's turning into a joke. The super 8 looks like being a disaster Dublin, Kerry and Mayo are miles ahead of the rest that most games will be a joke. Living in Ratoath all my life and we may as well surrender all of South Meath to Dublin. Young lads whose parents moved here from Dublin are not growing up as royal. I mean kids who have lived their whole life in Meath, who play for the big local clubs that are becoming a serious force in county championship. I don't blame the kids or the parents, it's the fact that so many Dubs have moved out here they now vastly out number the locals. In the past if a family moved to Ratoath or Navan you were moving to Meath and your family would grow up royal while Mammy or Daddy would still be Dubs as you would expect. Dunshaughlin now too is poised for massive development which will lead to the de greening of that town too. Clonee is a disaster zone. A major population centre where the to get to the pitch you have to drive to the far side of Dunboyne. The county board must step in to develop a proper club at that end of the county. I was in Ratoath at the physio a while ago and he told me his secretary had 2 sons on a Meath development panel but they were true blues. I despair at hearing such things as lads like this may be the best we have coming but they have no love for the Meath shirt, you literally want fellas who would die for it. This is the biggest crisis facing Meath football and the only way we can make inroads is for the current bunch we have to find a way to get up and into Dublins faces over the coming few years. Andy Mcenntee has a massive job on his hands so I say back him and stop the petty stuff. Accept his team selections and let's hope for better times ahead."
Yes, very worrying to see so many kids in the county going around wearing Dublin jerseys. You are right, we really need to put it up to Dublin. Problem is we are not even getting to play them at the moment and seem to be two levels below them.

Btw, anyone else notice the subs used in the two finals at the weekend? All 4 teams, Dublin, Kildare. Tyrone and Down all used 6 subs each. Last weekend we used 2 and a late black card. I am sure Andy realises that it's a 20 man game as its small details like this that is the difference in winning and losing qualifying games anyway. I dont think any amount of subs would have helped us beat Kildare but Donegal were there for the taking and Galway are beatable.

Anyway lets hope that Andy, Gerry and co look closely at their substitution policy, warm up policy and trawl the club championships to get a panel of at least 20 players that they trust to come on at key points in games.

oldsam_newsam (Meath) - Posts: 638 - 17/07/2017 12:00:30    2018018

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Replying To oldsam_newsam:  "Yes, very worrying to see so many kids in the county going around wearing Dublin jerseys. You are right, we really need to put it up to Dublin. Problem is we are not even getting to play them at the moment and seem to be two levels below them.

Btw, anyone else notice the subs used in the two finals at the weekend? All 4 teams, Dublin, Kildare. Tyrone and Down all used 6 subs each. Last weekend we used 2 and a late black card. I am sure Andy realises that it's a 20 man game as its small details like this that is the difference in winning and losing qualifying games anyway. I dont think any amount of subs would have helped us beat Kildare but Donegal were there for the taking and Galway are beatable.

Anyway lets hope that Andy, Gerry and co look closely at their substitution policy, warm up policy and trawl the club championships to get a panel of at least 20 players that they trust to come on at key points in games."
Fair point on the subs. I actully think Dublin where struggling with fitness yesterday. But Kildare where unbalance to take advantage with some poor misses They are not used to peaking this time of the year.

bobkarlgees (Meath) - Posts: 1263 - 17/07/2017 13:16:10    2018097

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Replying To bobkarlgees:  "I think its sad if parents are taking there children out of there the community's to play else where."
No you took me up wrong. These lads are playing for the local clubs up through the grades but they are not identifying with the county and that's where the problem lies

atta (Meath) - Posts: 698 - 17/07/2017 13:49:24    2018136

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Replying To atta:  "God Dublin are a scary prospect these days. It's a shame to see football so uncompetitive. Does anyone have club player numbers for all the counties because it's turning into a joke. The super 8 looks like being a disaster Dublin, Kerry and Mayo are miles ahead of the rest that most games will be a joke. Living in Ratoath all my life and we may as well surrender all of South Meath to Dublin. Young lads whose parents moved here from Dublin are not growing up as royal. I mean kids who have lived their whole life in Meath, who play for the big local clubs that are becoming a serious force in county championship. I don't blame the kids or the parents, it's the fact that so many Dubs have moved out here they now vastly out number the locals. In the past if a family moved to Ratoath or Navan you were moving to Meath and your family would grow up royal while Mammy or Daddy would still be Dubs as you would expect. Dunshaughlin now too is poised for massive development which will lead to the de greening of that town too. Clonee is a disaster zone. A major population centre where the to get to the pitch you have to drive to the far side of Dunboyne. The county board must step in to develop a proper club at that end of the county. I was in Ratoath at the physio a while ago and he told me his secretary had 2 sons on a Meath development panel but they were true blues. I despair at hearing such things as lads like this may be the best we have coming but they have no love for the Meath shirt, you literally want fellas who would die for it. This is the biggest crisis facing Meath football and the only way we can make inroads is for the current bunch we have to find a way to get up and into Dublins faces over the coming few years. Andy Mcenntee has a massive job on his hands so I say back him and stop the petty stuff. Accept his team selections and let's hope for better times ahead."
You are dead right about Clonee there needs to be a new club created there or St Paul's needs to be independent underage from Dunboyne. It's closer or a similar distance for them to go to Peregrines, Castleknock or even Brigids (all with current Dubs players).
One thing Dublin do and Meath should follow immediately, and it wouldn't take all that much resource, is underage development squads. The Dubs take the top 100 or so kids in the county and expose them to a high level of coaching, give them gear etc. Taking 30 or 40 of the current elite U14's is not enough. We all know the size of a lad at that age or club politics often is the difference between making a county squad or not.
The 100 or so best players at that level should scoop everyone with the potential to be a county minor in a few years. You'd be able to indoctrinate them in the Meath way early. 1 or 2 full time coaches working Saturday and Sunday should be able to take the groups at different times. A 13 year old exposed to a Mickey Burke or a Biggy at that age would make a huge impression no matter if his family are Dubs or not.

pauk123 (USA) - Posts: 189 - 17/07/2017 14:47:17    2018188

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