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Replying To billyjack24:  "Agree with that decision. You can't have lads on the panel who are not there for every training session and match it's very disruptive and belittling to the other lads who are there all the time. Regardless of how good they are you have to draw a line somewhere."
Its not like Toher would be dropped into the squad out of nowhere though. Hes been on the panel for years and was captain last year. Short sighted decision which will be to the detriment of Meath hurling.

RoyalBadger (Meath) - Posts: 571 - 04/04/2017 21:43:43    1975756

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I had heard that JT was no longer on the Hurling panel but I thought it was his choice.
MB was never really on the panel this season to be dropped off it.

Wedgie (Meath) - Posts: 253 - 04/04/2017 21:58:03    1975765

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Replying To RoyalBadger:  "Its not like Toher would be dropped into the squad out of nowhere though. Hes been on the panel for years and was captain last year. Short sighted decision which will be to the detriment of Meath hurling."
He played 1 full game in the league and 1 full game in the walsh cup. He hasn't been there this yr so they will get on without him. He himself choose to play football last weekend instead of playing in the league final with the team he captained last yr. So his priority is obviously football.

billyjack24 (Meath) - Posts: 40 - 04/04/2017 22:03:02    1975768

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Replying To RoyalBadger:  "Its not like Toher would be dropped into the squad out of nowhere though. Hes been on the panel for years and was captain last year. Short sighted decision which will be to the detriment of Meath hurling."
He wasn't there on Sunday when they won the league final, nor was he there for several of the other games that they also won easily in his absence.
Which fully committed member of the squad would you like to see making way for him if he decided to drop in on a weekend the footballers were off?
I'd love to see him back Hurling, but not just the games the training and every team get together as well.

Wedgie (Meath) - Posts: 253 - 04/04/2017 22:05:04    1975770

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Replying To Royalace:  "Nothing to do with the Mcentees he was dropped by the hurling management and to be fair they probably made the right decision. Not fair on the fellas that have been playing through out the league. Don't think it's possible any more to play both codes at County level."
I know that is was the hurling management that dropped him. It was the right decision and realistically the only decision they could have made. It was obvious that he couldn't commit enough time to the hurlers. The only way that a player can play both football and hurling at county level is if there is agreement of both managers and a suitable schedule for training and matches is agreed between both, so that a player can devote a reasonable amount of time to both. My point was that with the mcentees in charge, that was
never likely to happen- they were. Ever likely to be accommodating to hurling. Which I suppose is fair enough-it's their job to get the best results for the footballers, not to worry about the hurlers. It also looks like Martin Ennis only wants players who can commit fully to hurling, which is also fair enough. Thankfully we are now in a position where we can afford to drop players who can't or won't give 100% commitment.
My only issue with a player opting for one code, or being dropped from a panel on the other code is that it gives another little bit of ammunition to the burn-the-Hurleys fools on the football side, or to the chip-on-our-shoulder brigade on the hurling side.

anfearbeag (Meath) - Posts: 1134 - 05/04/2017 07:13:06    1975851

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Personally would of preferred a more pragmatic approach to this. Its all well in good having principles 'oh well if he didn't turn up on Saturday' but that to me seems like a path back to Christy Ring. We're not Kilkenny (yet) and don't feel we're in a position to drop lads, especially Toher whos been a talisman for us. Leinster hurling and football campaigns dont overlap either. Shame.

RoyalBadger (Meath) - Posts: 571 - 05/04/2017 09:02:52    1975872

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Replying To RoyalBadger:  "Personally would of preferred a more pragmatic approach to this. Its all well in good having principles 'oh well if he didn't turn up on Saturday' but that to me seems like a path back to Christy Ring. We're not Kilkenny (yet) and don't feel we're in a position to drop lads, especially Toher whos been a talisman for us. Leinster hurling and football campaigns dont overlap either. Shame."
Jt has been more than accommodated by the hurling management since the start of the season. He choose the footballers and that's that so I don't see any other approach to be taken. Still feel it's the right decision however it is a pity his preference is football because I think he's a stronger hurler than footballer but that's just my opinion.

billyjack24 (Meath) - Posts: 40 - 05/04/2017 10:49:08    1975919

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Replying To anfearbeag:  "I know that is was the hurling management that dropped him. It was the right decision and realistically the only decision they could have made. It was obvious that he couldn't commit enough time to the hurlers. The only way that a player can play both football and hurling at county level is if there is agreement of both managers and a suitable schedule for training and matches is agreed between both, so that a player can devote a reasonable amount of time to both. My point was that with the mcentees in charge, that was
never likely to happen- they were. Ever likely to be accommodating to hurling. Which I suppose is fair enough-it's their job to get the best results for the footballers, not to worry about the hurlers. It also looks like Martin Ennis only wants players who can commit fully to hurling, which is also fair enough. Thankfully we are now in a position where we can afford to drop players who can't or won't give 100% commitment.
My only issue with a player opting for one code, or being dropped from a panel on the other code is that it gives another little bit of ammunition to the burn-the-Hurleys fools on the football side, or to the chip-on-our-shoulder brigade on the hurling side."
Problem is we are not in position to drop the likes of toher and Burke
We may be able to handle grade 4 of the league without them but the next step is a big one.
The two boys will take their league medals and put them on shelf and so will be as well off as the lads on the panel and that is the realaity

numberedjerseys (USA) - Posts: 348 - 05/04/2017 11:35:28    1975939

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how people can argue that this is the wrong choice is beyond me
management gave them every chance - enough was enough
if people think its wrong choice then you need to ask any of the players just how many times these boys have been available
over the last month and what signal it sends to rest of the squad with lads showing up whenever it suited and getting game time

fully fit squad at the minute , toher starts but no way does burke
if he was hurling for last 6 months mayby
you can not just pick up a hurley and expect your skills to be 100 percent when they have played / trained so little
a few years ago the squad was not able to be without such players
now when u look at the talent on the bench saturday you know the squad is very very strong

hurlit (Meath) - Posts: 415 - 05/04/2017 11:50:32    1975949

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Replying To numberedjerseys:  "Problem is we are not in position to drop the likes of toher and Burke
We may be able to handle grade 4 of the league without them but the next step is a big one.
The two boys will take their league medals and put them on shelf and so will be as well off as the lads on the panel and that is the realaity"
burke is no loss to the squad now to be fair. I am disappointed some arrangement couldn't be met as mentioned above the hurling and Footy dose not overlap. And I would say that playing the hurling during this time would only help keep him match sharp for the footy.

Irish_downunder (Meath) - Posts: 630 - 05/04/2017 11:54:13    1975950

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Replying To numberedjerseys:  "Problem is we are not in position to drop the likes of toher and Burke
We may be able to handle grade 4 of the league without them but the next step is a big one.
The two boys will take their league medals and put them on shelf and so will be as well off as the lads on the panel and that is the realaity"
Thought it was a terrible decision from the Chronicle to lead the sports section with that headline and made a great weekend for Meath hurling about two footballers who didn't play..

The panel is as strong as it ever was. Obviously Martin didn't find it easy to drop his captain from last year but its not fair on the other 30 lads Martin has to keep happy.

begining (UK) - Posts: 300 - 05/04/2017 12:10:20    1975955

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Replying To begining:  "Thought it was a terrible decision from the Chronicle to lead the sports section with that headline and made a great weekend for Meath hurling about two footballers who didn't play..

The panel is as strong as it ever was. Obviously Martin didn't find it easy to drop his captain from last year but its not fair on the other 30 lads Martin has to keep happy."
your right it not fair on the lads who are playing and training all the time with the team. somone else said it aswell they are not hurling all the time and there touch and skill levels will not be up to scratch in 3 weeks to the leinster. and from speaking to some players of the past couple of years whenever mickey had been allowed to train and play with them for the christy ring campaigns they resented it because he was taking the place of somone who had fully committed to the team. so in my opinion the right decision for the team who have momentum now

srgt_slaughter (Meath) - Posts: 462 - 05/04/2017 12:22:05    1975965

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Replying To begining:  "Thought it was a terrible decision from the Chronicle to lead the sports section with that headline and made a great weekend for Meath hurling about two footballers who didn't play..

The panel is as strong as it ever was. Obviously Martin didn't find it easy to drop his captain from last year but its not fair on the other 30 lads Martin has to keep happy."
Totally agree this is why Martin want to draw a line under this because it's all about the 2 players and are they playing or not. It's time to push on with the panel we have and give credit to the lads that are fully committed and that brought home the silverware.

billyjack24 (Meath) - Posts: 40 - 05/04/2017 12:40:52    1975973

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chronicle article is a disgrace
front page talking about 2 players not playing rather than winning a national league

about time the circus over toher / burke was put in the past
they are nowhere near the be all and end all

think martin ennis was very cute in his timing of telling the media as if this was last week it would have overshadowed the league final
now 3 weeks for dust to settle

hurlit (Meath) - Posts: 415 - 05/04/2017 12:41:43    1975976

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Replying To srgt_slaughter:  "your right it not fair on the lads who are playing and training all the time with the team. somone else said it aswell they are not hurling all the time and there touch and skill levels will not be up to scratch in 3 weeks to the leinster. and from speaking to some players of the past couple of years whenever mickey had been allowed to train and play with them for the christy ring campaigns they resented it because he was taking the place of somone who had fully committed to the team. so in my opinion the right decision for the team who have momentum now"
It's absolutely the correct decision. James toher's hurling will undoubtedly suffer from being away training with football. Can't be easy for him and I'd wish him well with the footballers for the championship.

Mickey Burke is a decent hurler but no better than anyone currently in there. Meath have a strong panel at present. In past years I think any of the current panel members would be certain starters. So with no more distractions they can now prepare for the championship and trying to get a win which will be difficult.

Royalace (Meath) - Posts: 121 - 05/04/2017 13:06:57    1975988

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Replying To hurlit:  "chronicle article is a disgrace
front page talking about 2 players not playing rather than winning a national league

about time the circus over toher / burke was put in the past
they are nowhere near the be all and end all

think martin ennis was very cute in his timing of telling the media as if this was last week it would have overshadowed the league final
now 3 weeks for dust to settle"
As far as I'm aware I think that's why the team wasn't announced last week as the limelight would be on why the 2 were missing and taking away from the players in the final.

billyjack24 (Meath) - Posts: 40 - 05/04/2017 13:14:21    1975990

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Replying To Royalace:  "It's absolutely the correct decision. James toher's hurling will undoubtedly suffer from being away training with football. Can't be easy for him and I'd wish him well with the footballers for the championship.

Mickey Burke is a decent hurler but no better than anyone currently in there. Meath have a strong panel at present. In past years I think any of the current panel members would be certain starters. So with no more distractions they can now prepare for the championship and trying to get a win which will be difficult."
Come off it mickey Burke played picked and played for Ireland in shinty bit better than the average meath hurler

numberedjerseys (USA) - Posts: 348 - 05/04/2017 16:13:21    1976064

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Replying To Royalace:  "It's absolutely the correct decision. James toher's hurling will undoubtedly suffer from being away training with football. Can't be easy for him and I'd wish him well with the footballers for the championship.

Mickey Burke is a decent hurler but no better than anyone currently in there. Meath have a strong panel at present. In past years I think any of the current panel members would be certain starters. So with no more distractions they can now prepare for the championship and trying to get a win which will be difficult."
What do you think Andy Mc would say to him if JT told him "I'll be along for the games but I'm too busy training with the hurlers to turn up for the football training...?"

Why do you think Martin Ennis's response should be any different in the current circumstances...?

Wedgie (Meath) - Posts: 253 - 05/04/2017 20:55:05    1976181

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Replying To numberedjerseys:  "Come off it mickey Burke played picked and played for Ireland in shinty bit better than the average meath hurler"
This current squad hasn't got where it is by being made up of players who there simply because they are 'better than the average Meath hurler' , this squad of players are there because of the total commitment and dedication they've given since day one at training and every time they put on the green jersey. Why would you want to dilute that spirit by slotting in a number of individuals don't want to give the same commitment..?

Wedgie (Meath) - Posts: 253 - 05/04/2017 21:01:43    1976184

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Replying To Wedgie:  "What do you think Andy Mc would say to him if JT told him "I'll be along for the games but I'm too busy training with the hurlers to turn up for the football training...?"

Why do you think Martin Ennis's response should be any different in the current circumstances...?"
I've already said I think Martin Ennis made the right decision and McEntee certainly would have done it long before this had the shoe been on the other foot.

Royalace (Meath) - Posts: 121 - 05/04/2017 21:54:13    1976223

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