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Replying To Meath_True:  "Why have them on the panel then Black spot if there not going to be given the chance to develop . The Carlow game was a farce , the Meath U15s would probably have beaten them . Development occurs in competitive matches , not on a training ground (especially the mental side ) .
Elitism has to be stopped to progress the development of players in the county . using only 20 players ( and the same 20 in every match is no good for the County . ) Do you think Dublin just focus on 20 players in a panel ...... ? No they don't , the guys that come on in the games are every bit as good as the guys that have gone before . Until we can grasp these ideas we will never be able to compete consistently with Dublin or anyone else ."
Well carlow only lost to Kildare by 5 points so I'd imagine the meath management weren't taking them lightly so picked there strongest team and their strongest subs. reports I'm hearing is that it certainly wasn't a cake walk until about 10 minutes into the 2nd and unfortunately by then u obviously can't bring on lads from the panel who u haven't named on the bench.. and on ur Dublin point I have 1 question. Do u think in a leinster 1/4 or semi final Dublin or kerry it any of these successful under age teams put out there strongest possible teams and subs or do they experiment and give some lads who haven't had much game time a run??? I think we all no the answer to that. Early in the year league games challenge matches blitz competitions are the times to give everybody game time but once championship comes around I'm pretty sure every single county puts out what the management see to be there best possible 25 and that's just the way it is.

Blackspot09 (Meath) - Posts: 870 - 19/07/2017 17:19:27    2019436

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would say we have a great chance to win at least one of the gerry reilly or u17. archer for dublin is a really good player,but if we keep him reasonably quiet we will beat dublin for sure.

ziggy32001 (Meath) - Posts: 8354 - 19/07/2017 17:56:08    2019464

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Replying To Blackspot09:  "Well carlow only lost to Kildare by 5 points so I'd imagine the meath management weren't taking them lightly so picked there strongest team and their strongest subs. reports I'm hearing is that it certainly wasn't a cake walk until about 10 minutes into the 2nd and unfortunately by then u obviously can't bring on lads from the panel who u haven't named on the bench.. and on ur Dublin point I have 1 question. Do u think in a leinster 1/4 or semi final Dublin or kerry it any of these successful under age teams put out there strongest possible teams and subs or do they experiment and give some lads who haven't had much game time a run??? I think we all no the answer to that. Early in the year league games challenge matches blitz competitions are the times to give everybody game time but once championship comes around I'm pretty sure every single county puts out what the management see to be there best possible 25 and that's just the way it is."
Blackspot , I was at the game , they ( Carlow) were atrocious , and as for Kildares game against them that counts for nothing . At this age bracket I'd rather see 30 players wanting to play for Meath because they feel included , than 20 who know they are included . We cannot afford to lose 1/3 of our players because of some people's inability to see potiental and develop in . I don't think we as a County can afford that especially now . And the longer term view should be taken not just the quick fix . That's why we are where we are .

Meath_True (Meath) - Posts: 285 - 19/07/2017 18:53:37    2019494

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Do u think the minors should have started their best team in the game v Dublin this year and in the game v laois or should they have made sure every man on the 30 man panel played in 1 of them games at least?

Blackspot09 (Meath) - Posts: 870 - 19/07/2017 20:06:41    2019517

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this Saturday, 1:30 in Drogheda. Handy for the North Meath folk

LeitrimRoyal99 (Meath) - Posts: 1455 - 19/07/2017 20:07:50    2019520

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Replying To Meath_True:  "Blackspot , I was at the game , they ( Carlow) were atrocious , and as for Kildares game against them that counts for nothing . At this age bracket I'd rather see 30 players wanting to play for Meath because they feel included , than 20 who know they are included . We cannot afford to lose 1/3 of our players because of some people's inability to see potiental and develop in . I don't think we as a County can afford that especially now . And the longer term view should be taken not just the quick fix . That's why we are where we are ."
If they were using plenty of lads you be the very sour puss to say that that was wrong.

Brownepat (Meath) - Posts: 532 - 19/07/2017 20:14:20    2019523

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Replying To LeitrimRoyal99:  "this Saturday, 1:30 in Drogheda. Handy for the North Meath folk"
not be bad for us ashbourne folk!

ziggy32001 (Meath) - Posts: 8354 - 19/07/2017 20:35:23    2019540

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Replying To LeitrimRoyal99:  "this Saturday, 1:30 in Drogheda. Handy for the North Meath folk"
Doesn't say a lot now when they putting a final like that into Drogheda, non existent facilities for players or patrons, these young footballers deserve a bit better I think anyway

Richieq (Meath) - Posts: 3734 - 19/07/2017 20:39:04    2019543

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Replying To Meath_True:  "Blackspot , I was at the game , they ( Carlow) were atrocious , and as for Kildares game against them that counts for nothing . At this age bracket I'd rather see 30 players wanting to play for Meath because they feel included , than 20 who know they are included . We cannot afford to lose 1/3 of our players because of some people's inability to see potiental and develop in . I don't think we as a County can afford that especially now . And the longer term view should be taken not just the quick fix . That's why we are where we are ."
Well "meath true or false"
You seem to know quite a bit about these "development" squads from previous years?? We're you involved with them at some stage and maybe got "dumped" ???hence the negative comments now????
Please entertain us some more......

royalass (Meath) - Posts: 89 - 19/07/2017 23:16:00    2019655

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Replying To royalass:  "Well "meath true or false"
You seem to know quite a bit about these "development" squads from previous years?? We're you involved with them at some stage and maybe got "dumped" ???hence the negative comments now????
Please entertain us some more......"
I was kinda thinking that myself but was reluctant to say it. I think it's quite naive and idealistic to think that at minor level countys will rotate their starting line ups in championship games so that every player on the panel gets to play. Their gonna pick their best 25 simple as that. At underage level u13 u14 u15 u16 absolutely I agree all players should be given plenty of game time and it definitely shouldn't be just the best 20 or 25 players play all the time. It should be about developing as many young players as possible

Blackspot09 (Meath) - Posts: 870 - 20/07/2017 00:21:58    2019687

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Replying To royalass:  "Well "meath true or false"
You seem to know quite a bit about these "development" squads from previous years?? We're you involved with them at some stage and maybe got "dumped" ???hence the negative comments now????
Please entertain us some more......"
I would hope all players would have given a chance at trial games etc. But now I would expect the manager to start his best team he feels to do the job and bring on changes as needed. This is under 17 level not under 14/15 . I think we shouldn't be worrying how other counties operate and concentrate and believe in ourselves

Bear10 (Meath) - Posts: 463 - 20/07/2017 03:30:53    2019707

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Replying To ziggy32001:  "not be bad for us ashbourne folk!"
Even handier for east meath folk cilles pats Duleek

Brownepat (Meath) - Posts: 532 - 20/07/2017 09:08:24    2019747

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Replying To Meath_True:  "Blackspot , I was at the game , they ( Carlow) were atrocious , and as for Kildares game against them that counts for nothing . At this age bracket I'd rather see 30 players wanting to play for Meath because they feel included , than 20 who know they are included . We cannot afford to lose 1/3 of our players because of some people's inability to see potiental and develop in . I don't think we as a County can afford that especially now . And the longer term view should be taken not just the quick fix . That's why we are where we are ."
Agreed. Winning means nothing at underage. Its about including and developing as many players as possible.
So so often, especially at club level, players who were great at underage due to physical size etc drop off when they become adults or end up as not near as good as the average punter thinks they will be.

If i was an underage coach in Meath GAA, its the physically not yet developed 14/15/16 year old that has two feet, decent skill and a great attitude that I'd be looking at. I'd then be ensuring that he gets the best training we can provide and works on his core strength (not lifting weights until 18/19). I know so many players who were underage "stars" due to their physical development as much as anything else but who disappeared at adult level. In parallel, there are so many footballers in Meath I could easily name who were had all the attributes but never got picked on underage county teams due to size. Many of these got lost along the way and turned to other sports or moved away. If someone had believed in them and encouraged them then it could have made all the difference.

Crinigan (Meath) - Posts: 1318 - 20/07/2017 09:45:15    2019763

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Replying To Blackspot09:  "I was kinda thinking that myself but was reluctant to say it. I think it's quite naive and idealistic to think that at minor level countys will rotate their starting line ups in championship games so that every player on the panel gets to play. Their gonna pick their best 25 simple as that. At underage level u13 u14 u15 u16 absolutely I agree all players should be given plenty of game time and it definitely shouldn't be just the best 20 or 25 players play all the time. It should be about developing as many young players as possible"
This is a special competition ( U17 that is ) , amazingly enough my points are not always allowed to be addressed to the forum even if they are not negative or derogatory . Un -controlled censorship is a sign of a dictatorship . Especially if valid opinions are not allowed to be posted .

Meath_True (Meath) - Posts: 285 - 20/07/2017 09:55:36    2019768

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Replying To Bear10:  "I would hope all players would have given a chance at trial games etc. But now I would expect the manager to start his best team he feels to do the job and bring on changes as needed. This is under 17 level not under 14/15 . I think we shouldn't be worrying how other counties operate and concentrate and believe in ourselves"
Spot on bear10

Blackspot09 (Meath) - Posts: 870 - 20/07/2017 10:00:07    2019771

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if that's the case then bear 10 , don't be worrying about how Dublin do it , how many coaches , GDOs they have , how much money is invested . In truth , don't give a hoot that we have been in a prolonged Dip until now ..
Just get on with it . focus on self ..... and it matters not that other people are getting results from what they do ... we'll ignore that and plough on .
As the saying goes "If you don't change what your doing , why then do you expect a change in what you are achieving ".....
We would be better served by developing larger number so players than we do .

Meath_True (Meath) - Posts: 285 - 20/07/2017 10:29:27    2019800

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Replying To Meath_True:  "This is a special competition ( U17 that is ) , amazingly enough my points are not always allowed to be addressed to the forum even if they are not negative or derogatory . Un -controlled censorship is a sign of a dictatorship . Especially if valid opinions are not allowed to be posted ."
Yes it's an u17 special competition but it's minor in everything but name. U ask the lads on the panel and I'm sure they'll tell u it's their minor year therefore it should be treated like every minor competition is. Ur in it to win it. As I said before u13 u14 u15 u16 absolutely try everyone. Early this year league games blitzs challenge matches try everyone. But once championship comes around u put out ur what u belive to be ur strongest 25

Blackspot09 (Meath) - Posts: 870 - 20/07/2017 10:29:32    2019801

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It's a final v dublin........best players play regardless of age. Anybody that says different is talking horse manure

southmeathgael (Meath) - Posts: 887 - 20/07/2017 10:43:12    2019818

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Replying To Blackspot09:  "Yes it's an u17 special competition but it's minor in everything but name. U ask the lads on the panel and I'm sure they'll tell u it's their minor year therefore it should be treated like every minor competition is. Ur in it to win it. As I said before u13 u14 u15 u16 absolutely try everyone. Early this year league games blitzs challenge matches try everyone. But once championship comes around u put out ur what u belive to be ur strongest 25"
Blackspot , check and see how many different players have played in the 3 games so far ..... best 25 ahem , 24 named . and it tends to be the same 4-5 get games (19-20) . more like 20 played

Meath_True (Meath) - Posts: 285 - 20/07/2017 10:54:02    2019825

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Replying To Richieq:  "Doesn't say a lot now when they putting a final like that into Drogheda, non existent facilities for players or patrons, these young footballers deserve a bit better I think anyway"
But at least it accessible. Better than having to go to Tullamore or Portloaise etc

bobkarlgees (Meath) - Posts: 1263 - 20/07/2017 11:40:37    2019853

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