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Replying To subzero:  "I looked at the 1990 All Ireland Final between Meath and Cork last night on GAA Classics. It was like Junior B football.
Fair enough there were big hits but that was only because the movement was so slow.
The current Dublin team would beat the pick of the two teams by 30 + points."
They would not because a) they would be hit and let be hit unlike today's over the top rules and officials and b) they would have sh*t themselves before they even ran out onto the field at the thoughts of facing Lyons,O'Rourke, Tompkins, Fahy etc etc. That match was a poor comparison though, the media hype effected both those teams in the build up as the press wondered how many would be sent off and how many would be in hospital afterwards given the relations between the two teams, in the end it was a damp squib of a final which but for the brilliance of Shea Fahy we probably still would have won despite playing poorly

Richieq (Meath) - Posts: 3734 - 19/07/2017 17:36:09    2019451

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Replying To subzero:  "I looked at the 1990 All Ireland Final between Meath and Cork last night on GAA Classics. It was like Junior B football.
Fair enough there were big hits but that was only because the movement was so slow.
The current Dublin team would beat the pick of the two teams by 30 + points."
There is two questions you have to ask first...

Gaa rules 2017.. Who would win in a RACE between a rottweiler(meath and Cork) and a greyhound ?(Dublin 2017)

Gaa rules 80s and 90s...Who would win in a FIGHT between a rottweiler(meath and Cork) and a greyhound ?(Dublin 2017)

WhyTheLongFace (Meath) - Posts: 875 - 19/07/2017 21:33:49    2019594

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sadly galway are tearing donegal a new one

ziggy32001 (Meath) - Posts: 8354 - 22/07/2017 20:03:14    2021079

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Replying To ziggy32001:  "sadly galway are tearing donegal a new one"
no its not sad at all. it's shows where meath are at. a top twenty team which is not good enough and we meath people are sick of it by now. Andy has one more year left to get his act together or he be out the same gate as o dowd. he may start cutting the panel and adding players with steal, too many not up to it

meath1977 (Meath) - Posts: 534 - 22/07/2017 20:46:07    2021125

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Replying To meath1977:  "no its not sad at all. it's shows where meath are at. a top twenty team which is not good enough and we meath people are sick of it by now. Andy has one more year left to get his act together or he be out the same gate as o dowd. he may start cutting the panel and adding players with steal, too many not up to it"
He actually has two. BTW didn't we hammer Roscommon prior to playing Donegal? Does that mean we better than Galway ? And also we beat them in league, today's game has no barring on us at all, games like these can never be compared, Donegal were pathetic today as Galway were pathetic against rossies, different games, Donegal best performance of year was against us, worst was today.
We can drive our self crazy using comparison. Rather look to ourselves, with a great manager who has a very unenviable job. His main focus will be promotion, I actually would like to see his contract extended until 2022 to give much needed stability.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 22/07/2017 21:28:33    2021174

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Replying To royaldunne:  "He actually has two. BTW didn't we hammer Roscommon prior to playing Donegal? Does that mean we better than Galway ? And also we beat them in league, today's game has no barring on us at all, games like these can never be compared, Donegal were pathetic today as Galway were pathetic against rossies, different games, Donegal best performance of year was against us, worst was today.
We can drive our self crazy using comparison. Rather look to ourselves, with a great manager who has a very unenviable job. His main focus will be promotion, I actually would like to see his contract extended until 2022 to give much needed stability."
look he has to prove he is a great manger and after year one nothing. it should have been easy for someone to come in after micko as he was a shambles. Andy has paddy o rourke in goal and big Joe number two. that is a joke and something Andy needs to talk to himself about on his own. Donegal are very poor today and two weeks ago as well. beating roscommon in a challenge game are you taking the mick. we are about 17 18 in the rankings the same as last year. it shows us where we are at when people are jumping up and down about us beating kilKenny in a junior championship in which about six teams take part. bad times indeed time we wake up and smell the coffee

meath1977 (Meath) - Posts: 534 - 22/07/2017 21:44:03    2021199

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Replying To meath1977:  "no its not sad at all. it's shows where meath are at. a top twenty team which is not good enough and we meath people are sick of it by now. Andy has one more year left to get his act together or he be out the same gate as o dowd. he may start cutting the panel and adding players with steal, too many not up to it"
I watched the game it was a strange game galway's first goal was a good one but a bit fortuitousness. after that the flood gates opened . Galway got a peno that they scored and Donegal keeper got a black card. Then galway got another flukey type goal. Galway never had to play at all. them goals just killed the game. then on the other hand Donegal hit the crossbar and missed a peno nothing went right for them. Not say they would have won but it might have been tighter game. I admit it doesn't look good that Donegal where beating badly but. it really hard to judge. Cork played really well against Mayo that was expected, given how bad they where against Tipp and Kerry. So its really hard to know. Also we beat Galway earlier on in the year. so God knows.

bobkarlgees (Meath) - Posts: 1263 - 22/07/2017 21:49:52    2021208

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Replying To bobkarlgees:  "I watched the game it was a strange game galway's first goal was a good one but a bit fortuitousness. after that the flood gates opened . Galway got a peno that they scored and Donegal keeper got a black card. Then galway got another flukey type goal. Galway never had to play at all. them goals just killed the game. then on the other hand Donegal hit the crossbar and missed a peno nothing went right for them. Not say they would have won but it might have been tighter game. I admit it doesn't look good that Donegal where beating badly but. it really hard to judge. Cork played really well against Mayo that was expected, given how bad they where against Tipp and Kerry. So its really hard to know. Also we beat Galway earlier on in the year. so God knows."
I actually shook my head in shock reading that..

You pretty much just discounted the four Galway goals and then claim the game wold have been tighter.

I couldn't disagree more. Galway tactically outdone Donegal who effectively have 3 main players: McHugh, McBrearty and Murphy.

Galways goals were not fortuitous - they were from intensive pressure on Donegal. Michael Murphy in the full back position was never going to come out of that and it had goal all over it before the keeper chopped the attacker down. The other two goals in the first half were well worked moves which split the defence and had a spare player to palm in the ball.

Galway played football today..they didn't in the Connacht final. Let's not forget how bad Done gal are. Tyrone 15 points, Galway 15 points. They only got over Longford in a game where they scored 5 points from play.

Ridiculous comparisons

Royalio11 (Meath) - Posts: 757 - 22/07/2017 22:56:35    2021279

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Replying To meath1977:  "look he has to prove he is a great manger and after year one nothing. it should have been easy for someone to come in after micko as he was a shambles. Andy has paddy o rourke in goal and big Joe number two. that is a joke and something Andy needs to talk to himself about on his own. Donegal are very poor today and two weeks ago as well. beating roscommon in a challenge game are you taking the mick. we are about 17 18 in the rankings the same as last year. it shows us where we are at when people are jumping up and down about us beating kilKenny in a junior championship in which about six teams take part. bad times indeed time we wake up and smell the coffee"
The reason I used Roscommon was they inihalatedd Galway. It is simply to point out that you cannot compare games, each game takes on a life of its own,
Show me one other man in Meath who is willing to take on senior job , and who has won Leinster and all ire title as a manager and who brought most of this team to a minor all ire final in the process. And then we can talk about replacement, until then there is no one more qualified to lead Meath football. NO ONE

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 22/07/2017 23:49:58    2021347

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Replying To Royalio11:  "I actually shook my head in shock reading that..

You pretty much just discounted the four Galway goals and then claim the game wold have been tighter.

I couldn't disagree more. Galway tactically outdone Donegal who effectively have 3 main players: McHugh, McBrearty and Murphy.

Galways goals were not fortuitous - they were from intensive pressure on Donegal. Michael Murphy in the full back position was never going to come out of that and it had goal all over it before the keeper chopped the attacker down. The other two goals in the first half were well worked moves which split the defence and had a spare player to palm in the ball.

Galway played football today..they didn't in the Connacht final. Let's not forget how bad Done gal are. Tyrone 15 points, Galway 15 points. They only got over Longford in a game where they scored 5 points from play.

Ridiculous comparisons"
And McBrearty didn't hit the crossbar ? and didn't miss a peno or rebound ? Another day they go in . I never said Donegal where ever going to win just it could have been closer. My basic point is everything went way better than expected for Galway everything they touched turned to gold. and things could not have gone worst for Donegal.

bobkarlgees (Meath) - Posts: 1263 - 23/07/2017 00:08:30    2021361

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Replying To meath1977:  "no its not sad at all. it's shows where meath are at. a top twenty team which is not good enough and we meath people are sick of it by now. Andy has one more year left to get his act together or he be out the same gate as o dowd. he may start cutting the panel and adding players with steal, too many not up to it"
Games can not be compared, each games stands on it's own, particularly with middle of the road teams, which Meath (unfortunately!), Galway, and Donegal all are.
This has been a good day for Meath football. Both the Juniors and U-17's won Leinster. Much of it down to the structures implemented by the previous management team.
Andy is all about the senior team. Only. He'll live and die by the performance of the team next year. How Donegal did will have no bearing.

pauk123 (USA) - Posts: 189 - 23/07/2017 02:19:04    2021404

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I wouldn't be getting too tied up about the Donegal/Galway result, we've seen many teams fluctuate in form from game to game this year but Donegal are not a good team right now and we did leave that game in Navan behind us, although Donegl showed far more battling qualities and effort in Navan than last night, interestingly Michael Murphy wasn't given the leeway to act the goat in Sligo like he did in Navan either which made a big difference.

Richieq (Meath) - Posts: 3734 - 23/07/2017 08:30:43    2021432

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Replying To royaldunne:  "The reason I used Roscommon was they inihalatedd Galway. It is simply to point out that you cannot compare games, each game takes on a life of its own,
Show me one other man in Meath who is willing to take on senior job , and who has won Leinster and all ire title as a manager and who brought most of this team to a minor all ire final in the process. And then we can talk about replacement, until then there is no one more qualified to lead Meath football. NO ONE"
your right there is no one in meath good enough to be manger. Andy is there and let him at it next year but don't be praising him . we are in a very poor place and it's not good enough. and if Andy can't improve things or do what's needed next year then we need to look outside and not waste another four years

meath1977 (Meath) - Posts: 534 - 23/07/2017 08:51:29    2021445

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Replying To Richieq:  "I wouldn't be getting too tied up about the Donegal/Galway result, we've seen many teams fluctuate in form from game to game this year but Donegal are not a good team right now and we did leave that game in Navan behind us, although Donegl showed far more battling qualities and effort in Navan than last night, interestingly Michael Murphy wasn't given the leeway to act the goat in Sligo like he did in Navan either which made a big difference."
Agreed. We did leave that game behind us, and the ref was much more strict on pushing etc than in navan, but cuteness is what's needed.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 23/07/2017 09:42:08    2021464

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Replying To royaldunne:  "Agreed. We did leave that game behind us, and the ref was much more strict on pushing etc than in navan, but cuteness is what's needed."
You need more then cuteness- a bit of football ability would help. Looking at the matches yesterday and especially Cork v Mayo- we have at least 5 or 6 players who do not have the pace for county football. Lots of posters here are a too used to watching or maybe playing junior football and who think that we need mentality correct, fitness correct, toughness- I could go on, however all of these attributes are required but the basic skills come before all that, like; being able to man mark, being able to look up and pass to a guy in better position, being able to take a score, being able to play for the team (not yourself) , being able to move the ball fast and accurate- I would go on. Now it is a great achievement to beat Kilkenny!! -no dis-respect but this is not hurling. I also think that players are being restricted in how they can play by most managers, who themselves were average in their own playing days. I do think although, that it is good to have a well organised junior team and it gives a chance to players to compete at a higher level and hopefully some of then will move on to the senior panel- but it is junior football which below the standard of a good senior club team.

browncows (Meath) - Posts: 2342 - 23/07/2017 13:55:57    2021701

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Replying To browncows:  "You need more then cuteness- a bit of football ability would help. Looking at the matches yesterday and especially Cork v Mayo- we have at least 5 or 6 players who do not have the pace for county football. Lots of posters here are a too used to watching or maybe playing junior football and who think that we need mentality correct, fitness correct, toughness- I could go on, however all of these attributes are required but the basic skills come before all that, like; being able to man mark, being able to look up and pass to a guy in better position, being able to take a score, being able to play for the team (not yourself) , being able to move the ball fast and accurate- I would go on. Now it is a great achievement to beat Kilkenny!! -no dis-respect but this is not hurling. I also think that players are being restricted in how they can play by most managers, who themselves were average in their own playing days. I do think although, that it is good to have a well organised junior team and it gives a chance to players to compete at a higher level and hopefully some of then will move on to the senior panel- but it is junior football which below the standard of a good senior club team."
Think you posted that on wrong thread.
Look mod put Meath football back years. It will take a real manager at least 3 years to sort out the mess.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 23/07/2017 16:39:52    2021830

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Replying To royaldunne:  "Think you posted that on wrong thread.
Look mod put Meath football back years. It will take a real manager at least 3 years to sort out the mess."
What a load of rubbish. U17's winning yesterday was down to the structures put in place by MOD and his team. That'll get us back to where we belong. Anyone who knows Meath football knows this.

pauk123 (USA) - Posts: 189 - 23/07/2017 17:45:35    2021882

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Replying To royaldunne:  "Think you posted that on wrong thread.
Look mod put Meath football back years. It will take a real manager at least 3 years to sort out the mess."
You are still talking about MOD. Give it a rest please, his tenure is over, move on.

RoylerKing (Meath) - Posts: 809 - 23/07/2017 17:46:26    2021884

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Replying To royaldunne:  "Think you posted that on wrong thread.
Look mod put Meath football back years. It will take a real manager at least 3 years to sort out the mess."
If you read my post you would be able to understand that I am not criticising the manger present or past, unlike yourself who appears to be obsessed re same. As I have said frequently, I would never criticise a player or indeed any manager/management, as they all give up considerable time to progress the team performance.

browncows (Meath) - Posts: 2342 - 23/07/2017 17:57:46    2021890

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Replying To pauk123:  "What a load of rubbish. U17's winning yesterday was down to the structures put in place by MOD and his team. That'll get us back to where we belong. Anyone who knows Meath football knows this."
That is blatantly false, mod put no structure in place (thank god, as it would have failed) the structure you speak of was put In place by the 3 wise men of which one is a selector on Meath seniors.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 23/07/2017 18:51:58    2021935

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