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Great posts on here unfortunately , its from guys who think that all the players wearing the green and gold have to do is to they train one or two nights a week and play a game against another county at the weekend . At this point the Meath set up is as close to professional as it can get without the players been paid . Every day they guys will have something scheduled to do be doing be it either speed, strength training , S&C active rest etc. Guys making statements that players should be not be tired because they haven't been playing much , haven't got a clue what goes into a Inter-county Players week , let alone the week before and after a match ,and obviously they were not taking into account that these guys have a life and possibly a career outside the game to attend to .
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I agree with your post, but will also add that a management should not criticise their players in public irrespective of how they perform and especially when they come from 9 points down- that is something that Boylan would never have done.
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Replying To browncows: "I agree with your post, but will also add that a management should not criticise their players in public irrespective of how they perform and especially when they come from 9 points down- that is something that Boylan would never have done." boylan rarely had to do it..
players were pampered too long,badly needed imo.
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Replying To browncows: "I agree with your post, but will also add that a management should not criticise their players in public irrespective of how they perform and especially when they come from 9 points down- that is something that Boylan would never have done." I fully agree Browncows. I was a little shocked at Andy's interview. No problem with his intensity and the basic point that there were many errors made last sunday. But to say it the way he did in the media after a good comeback in an away game like this was a little surprising. From a media point of view it is refreshing honesty and makes their interviews worth having I suppose.
I suppose the Andy can do no wrong and MOD could do no right mantra we have been reading here has made me question a little is it as black and white as that. In my mind the truth is probably somewhere in between and I do expect Andy to be an excellent manager in time but at this stage he would still be behind Eamonn O'Brien in a comparison of post Boylan managers. He has persevered with some players playing badly while others such as Douglas and Flanagan have been discarded after getting very little opportunity. I think I wrote this before but I kinda wonder what Gerry is bringing to the table, apart from being a past legend as a player. A club manager / selector already embedded and successful in the club scene may have been a better option in my opinion. Like are they seriously suggesting that Menton and Toher are the best two midfielders in the county?
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Replying To oldsam_newsam: "I fully agree Browncows. I was a little shocked at Andy's interview. No problem with his intensity and the basic point that there were many errors made last sunday. But to say it the way he did in the media after a good comeback in an away game like this was a little surprising. From a media point of view it is refreshing honesty and makes their interviews worth having I suppose.
I suppose the Andy can do no wrong and MOD could do no right mantra we have been reading here has made me question a little is it as black and white as that. In my mind the truth is probably somewhere in between and I do expect Andy to be an excellent manager in time but at this stage he would still be behind Eamonn O'Brien in a comparison of post Boylan managers. He has persevered with some players playing badly while others such as Douglas and Flanagan have been discarded after getting very little opportunity. I think I wrote this before but I kinda wonder what Gerry is bringing to the table, apart from being a past legend as a player. A club manager / selector already embedded and successful in the club scene may have been a better option in my opinion. Like are they seriously suggesting that Menton and Toher are the best two midfielders in the county?" Unfortunately, with the injuries to Conor Gillespie and Shane O Rourke together with the exodus of Rooney and Nash, they probably are the best option in the short term. Flanagan may not yet be back to full tilt after a year out with a cruciate. Cian O Brien has been tried but not physically up to it yet. Name any other midfielders in the county that are better. Maybe Jones from Dunboyne could be an option for the future. Also it is a bit unfair of posters on this forum criticising Menton and Toher. Menton is probably our best back after Keoghan and would surely prefer to play in the half back line where he has excelled in the past. Toher is probably more of a forward than a midfielder. These lads are going out giving their best in every match so lay off and give them a bit of support rather than being so negative.
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Replying To oldsam_newsam: "I fully agree Browncows. I was a little shocked at Andy's interview. No problem with his intensity and the basic point that there were many errors made last sunday. But to say it the way he did in the media after a good comeback in an away game like this was a little surprising. From a media point of view it is refreshing honesty and makes their interviews worth having I suppose.
I suppose the Andy can do no wrong and MOD could do no right mantra we have been reading here has made me question a little is it as black and white as that. In my mind the truth is probably somewhere in between and I do expect Andy to be an excellent manager in time but at this stage he would still be behind Eamonn O'Brien in a comparison of post Boylan managers. He has persevered with some players playing badly while others such as Douglas and Flanagan have been discarded after getting very little opportunity. I think I wrote this before but I kinda wonder what Gerry is bringing to the table, apart from being a past legend as a player. A club manager / selector already embedded and successful in the club scene may have been a better option in my opinion. Like are they seriously suggesting that Menton and Toher are the best two midfielders in the county?" At this stage I would not even get into rating Andy against other post Boylan managers, he has not yet even had 1 full season. After 2 seasons we will see how things have developed and then we can compare him. But I think we can see one early sign of change which if it continues will be an improvement. There seems to be more spirit in the team, maybe due to having more belief in the management set up.
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He didn't criticise any particular players publicly, so no big deal. Remember most of the current management team are from the era when Meath and Cork were bitter rivals. Even if that is no longer the case and people have moved on, beating Cork might still be something that means that little bit more to some people than others. The anger (emotion) may be partly explained by this, but mostly by the fact that Meath had a real opportunity to beat Cork (something that hasn't happened for ages, even some payback for 2007!) and they failed to do so. He was perfectly entitled to be angry after the first half performance. The teams inability to close out the game after such a spirit comeback (with the elements working in their favour) is another reason to be really annoyed with them. Matches like these would have had a more favourable outcome in managements playing days (and are the standards management aspires to, nowadays).
GlasagusOr (Meath) - Posts: 1348 - 22/03/2017 15:11:56
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he sort of said a lot more in this weeks chronicle. good read and telling to say the least.
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Replying To ziggy32001: "he sort of said a lot more in this weeks chronicle. good read and telling to say the least." Link?
royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 22/03/2017 17:12:18
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players were pampered too long,badly needed imo.
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I'm not aware of any players being pampered -maybe you may know otherwise. Everyone playing county football (management included) now puts in a huge amount of time /effort which is akin to being a professional. Just for the record (to inform some posters!!) there were occasions when the good Boylan team got very well beaten in both league and championship. My comment is just my opinion and nothing more. I expect the present management to do quite well given time and humans being human, their will be mistakes made on all sides on the journey. A good example is the 2016 All-Ireland final.
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Replying To oldsam_newsam: "I fully agree Browncows. I was a little shocked at Andy's interview. No problem with his intensity and the basic point that there were many errors made last sunday. But to say it the way he did in the media after a good comeback in an away game like this was a little surprising. From a media point of view it is refreshing honesty and makes their interviews worth having I suppose.
I suppose the Andy can do no wrong and MOD could do no right mantra we have been reading here has made me question a little is it as black and white as that. In my mind the truth is probably somewhere in between and I do expect Andy to be an excellent manager in time but at this stage he would still be behind Eamonn O'Brien in a comparison of post Boylan managers. He has persevered with some players playing badly while others such as Douglas and Flanagan have been discarded after getting very little opportunity. I think I wrote this before but I kinda wonder what Gerry is bringing to the table, apart from being a past legend as a player. A club manager / selector already embedded and successful in the club scene may have been a better option in my opinion. Like are they seriously suggesting that Menton and Toher are the best two midfielders in the county?" Some of this is absolute nonsense. Who are the best two midfielders in Meath? Who would you play in midfield? Because I honestly don't know anyone better and I would watch a fair bit of club football and it is one area of the field we are short in.
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Replying To browncows: "players were pampered too long,badly needed imo.
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I'm not aware of any players being pampered -maybe you may know otherwise. Everyone playing county football (management included) now puts in a huge amount of time /effort which is akin to being a professional. Just for the record (to inform some posters!!) there were occasions when the good Boylan team got very well beaten in both league and championship. My comment is just my opinion and nothing more. I expect the present management to do quite well given time and humans being human, their will be mistakes made on all sides on the journey. A good example is the 2016 All-Ireland final." andy in todays paper has really told them. didn't use the 'they are too young tag' he said they are men now.
some quotes from andy today..
"these lads have to decide that they either want it or don't want it"
"it is now make up your mind up time for a lot of these guys"
"they are big boys now and they have to call it themselves and they have to call it on each other,they have to look at each other in the face and tell the truth"
now he did give them credit for showing guts later on. but what he is saying is clearly an overall thing. he also talks about poor attitude. now we all have seen meath for years and we all know there has been a problem in this areas. this may well be a wattershed moment..
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Replying To browncows: "players were pampered too long,badly needed imo.
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I'm not aware of any players being pampered -maybe you may know otherwise. Everyone playing county football (management included) now puts in a huge amount of time /effort which is akin to being a professional. Just for the record (to inform some posters!!) there were occasions when the good Boylan team got very well beaten in both league and championship. My comment is just my opinion and nothing more. I expect the present management to do quite well given time and humans being human, their will be mistakes made on all sides on the journey. A good example is the 2016 All-Ireland final." let away with things more so..
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Replying To ziggy32001: "andy in todays paper has really told them. didn't use the 'they are too young tag' he said they are men now.
some quotes from andy today..
"these lads have to decide that they either want it or don't want it"
"it is now make up your mind up time for a lot of these guys"
"they are big boys now and they have to call it themselves and they have to call it on each other,they have to look at each other in the face and tell the truth"
now he did give them credit for showing guts later on. but what he is saying is clearly an overall thing. he also talks about poor attitude. now we all have seen meath for years and we all know there has been a problem in this areas. this may well be a wattershed moment.." Could be a watershed moment if he backs up his words with actions, or he could just like to get press. Honestly I have no idea which is true. If he trots out the same team as he was so annoyed with last Sunday it'll show a lot.
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RD, too long to post, but I'll try anyway. I know you prefer reading the Westmeath Examiner :)
"McEntee fuming after performance against Cork" ..."manager sends a stern message to the players" ..."I'm hugely frustrated by that performance. Why do we have to wait until a situation like that before we can play like Meath teams are supposed to play? I don't understand that" ... "this has happened too often, for 40 minutes, we didn't try, didn't work hard enough, didn't apply ourselves, we didn't tackle, we didn't win 50:50 balls, we didn't make support runs, we did nothing that makes us a competitive team and that is hugely frustrating. I don't understand it" ... "then we show something and get back into the game" ..."then we start playing for ourselves again, taking shots from ridiculous angles and then trying to take shots with the outside of the foot (cough, cough) from areas we were never going to score from" and lots more.
No excuses etc., I'm not buying that (inexperience), I don't agree with that at all. Some of the guys that made some of the worst decisions out there were some of the most experienced we have".
"I didn't even feel we were genuinely committing to attack in the first half. Making token runs. We stood off them. The players have to work harder. We can't just show up one day and not the next, we can't show for one half and then not the next. That is not the way the game goes. You have to play every second of every minute of every game, that is something we have to get used to. That is down to attitude, not a physical thing. That is a weakness we have and unless we work on it and keep working and working and working then we are in trouble. If we don't work hard enough we are at best average, if we work hard enough we can compete with a lot of teams. There is only one way to turn that around and that is by working hard. Work harder every night at training and in every game".
"This is something that comes deep down in the players themselves. This has nothing to do with any other set up or anything like that. These lads have to decide that they either want it or they don't want it. It is now make up your mind time for a lot of guys".
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Replying To pauk123: "Could be a watershed moment if he backs up his words with actions, or he could just like to get press. Honestly I have no idea which is true. If he trots out the same team as he was so annoyed with last Sunday it'll show a lot." I am not sure I would agree with that. It is clear that he is throwing out an ultimatum, on the face of it to the whole team, but probably aimed at a smaller number that he has decided not to name publicly. Either they do it his way, or they are gone. Having done that, he now needs to give them a chance to show which way they want to go. There is no point in demanding that players change their attitude, and then not giving them a chance to show that they are prepared to do that.
So far in the league, Mc Entee has shown that he is willing to give lads a fair few games to show what they can do. He doesn't tend to chop and change too much from game to game. So I would imagine that the team against Fermanagh will be very similar to the one that played against Cork. Maybe Harnan at CHB, with one of the McEntees taking his place on the wing. Possibly one of the Wallaces starting in the half forwards. After that I would be surprised if there are many changes. However if they don't up the performance against Fermanagh and again against Clare in the last game, then there could be a fair few changes come championship time.
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Replying To GlasagusOr: "RD, too long to post, but I'll try anyway. I know you prefer reading the Westmeath Examiner :)
"McEntee fuming after performance against Cork" ..."manager sends a stern message to the players" ..."I'm hugely frustrated by that performance. Why do we have to wait until a situation like that before we can play like Meath teams are supposed to play? I don't understand that" ... "this has happened too often, for 40 minutes, we didn't try, didn't work hard enough, didn't apply ourselves, we didn't tackle, we didn't win 50:50 balls, we didn't make support runs, we did nothing that makes us a competitive team and that is hugely frustrating. I don't understand it" ... "then we show something and get back into the game" ..."then we start playing for ourselves again, taking shots from ridiculous angles and then trying to take shots with the outside of the foot (cough, cough) from areas we were never going to score from" and lots more.
No excuses etc., I'm not buying that (inexperience), I don't agree with that at all. Some of the guys that made some of the worst decisions out there were some of the most experienced we have".
"I didn't even feel we were genuinely committing to attack in the first half. Making token runs. We stood off them. The players have to work harder. We can't just show up one day and not the next, we can't show for one half and then not the next. That is not the way the game goes. You have to play every second of every minute of every game, that is something we have to get used to. That is down to attitude, not a physical thing. That is a weakness we have and unless we work on it and keep working and working and working then we are in trouble. If we don't work hard enough we are at best average, if we work hard enough we can compete with a lot of teams. There is only one way to turn that around and that is by working hard. Work harder every night at training and in every game".
"This is something that comes deep down in the players themselves. This has nothing to do with any other set up or anything like that. These lads have to decide that they either want it or they don't want it. It is now make up your mind time for a lot of guys"." Very hard to argue with any of that. I'm just very surprised that he has come out and said it so bluntly. It could go either of two ways for him. If the players respond to being called out so publicly, then it could be the making of the team. On the other hand they could go the other way, say "eff you" to McEntee and refuse to play for him. To be honest though I'm not sure that that would bother him - he would just bring in some lesser talented players who are willing to put in the hard work, and do things his way.
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Replying To anfearbeag: "I am not sure I would agree with that. It is clear that he is throwing out an ultimatum, on the face of it to the whole team, but probably aimed at a smaller number that he has decided not to name publicly. Either they do it his way, or they are gone. Having done that, he now needs to give them a chance to show which way they want to go. There is no point in demanding that players change their attitude, and then not giving them a chance to show that they are prepared to do that.
So far in the league, Mc Entee has shown that he is willing to give lads a fair few games to show what they can do. He doesn't tend to chop and change too much from game to game. So I would imagine that the team against Fermanagh will be very similar to the one that played against Cork. Maybe Harnan at CHB, with one of the McEntees taking his place on the wing. Possibly one of the Wallaces starting in the half forwards. After that I would be surprised if there are many changes. However if they don't up the performance against Fermanagh and again against Clare in the last game, then there could be a fair few changes come championship time." Fair points, maybe he'll do that and still get the reaction he needs to see. I personally think this is the game to send the message. Fermanagh are no mugs but in Navan you'd expect Meath to win. We're unlikely to either be in contention for promotion or relegation. I wouldn't be going into the Championship without a pretty settled team.
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Replying To anfearbeag: "I am not sure I would agree with that. It is clear that he is throwing out an ultimatum, on the face of it to the whole team, but probably aimed at a smaller number that he has decided not to name publicly. Either they do it his way, or they are gone. Having done that, he now needs to give them a chance to show which way they want to go. There is no point in demanding that players change their attitude, and then not giving them a chance to show that they are prepared to do that.
So far in the league, Mc Entee has shown that he is willing to give lads a fair few games to show what they can do. He doesn't tend to chop and change too much from game to game. So I would imagine that the team against Fermanagh will be very similar to the one that played against Cork. Maybe Harnan at CHB, with one of the McEntees taking his place on the wing. Possibly one of the Wallaces starting in the half forwards. After that I would be surprised if there are many changes. However if they don't up the performance against Fermanagh and again against Clare in the last game, then there could be a fair few changes come championship time." yeah 100%
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