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Replying To RoyalBadger: "Reading this thread and the one on the main board reminds of Newcastle United fans when Kevin Keegan was reappointed circa 2008.
A simple managerial appointment would solve all our problems and things would turn around and a road to glory was inevitable.
Don't get me wrong Andy McEntee was the outstanding candidate and thoroughly deserves the opportunity to be Meath manager.
But can some of you please calm down. We are starting from a very low base. Barely above Div 3 standard and qualifier fodder. He has a monumental task to overcome this and no guarantee he can turn it around given the raw material he has at his disposal.
Best of luck to them man but lets not set him up for a gigantic fall. We've gone for decent club managers and that hasn't worked before (Barry, MOD), we tried a Boylan era hero (Coyle) and that fell apart, we tried a Boylan selector (EOB) and it didn't work out and we went outside (Banty) and that didn't work either. Perhaps managerial appointments aren't the issue and the problem lies deeper. Deeper than McEntee can influence." Barry didn't work out no doubt about that,
Coyler got us to all ire semi finals, again not too bad, eob didn't work out? Is utter nonsense, the man helped us beat dubs, got to and even though controversial won Leinsterfinal , after getting us to all ire semis, and was shafted, pure and simple and to say otherwise is totally disrespectful.
Banty was a disaster but worse was to come, mod ,half the people on tho forum thought he was a Monaghan /cavan man when appointed
He was never a county manager and was only a joint manager player of a club.
No one is setting anybody up for a fall, we are scraping above div 3 and qualifier cannon fodder because of that appointment, it will take Andy time to undo the damage that has been inflicted over last 4 years, but he is the man to do it, it wont happen in year one but it will happen
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In 2016 yes, if your a glass half-empty sort of person:) ; but 2014 and 2015 under MOD was as close to getting promotion as is possible while just falling short.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_National_Football_League_(Ireland)#Table_3 (Promotion)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_National_Football_League_(Ireland)#Table_2 (Draw in Donegal cost us)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_National_Football_League_(Ireland)#Table_2 (Draw against Laois cost us)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_National_Football_League_(Ireland)#Table_2 (Worst year, but again the loss to Cavan cost us).
As per my post above, only one poor/bad result during each of the last three years was the difference between getting promoted and not. The Donegal and Laois results were down to poor game management (not ability), while last year we needed to play in the second half vs. Cavan. I'm confident Andy's team will play for 70mins+.
GlasagusOr (Meath) - Posts: 1348 - 10/08/2016 12:52:15
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^^ bert09, not RD :)
GlasagusOr (Meath) - Posts: 1348 - 10/08/2016 13:00:50
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Replying To GlasagusOr: "^^ bert09, not RD :)" Id agree with you there. U was in ballybofey, and shane should have been told to blast the ball across field and out of play, look what Kilkenny did last Sunday, got ball and ran straight to his own goal.
Smart management
royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 10/08/2016 13:15:06
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I think certain people on here need to let go of the MOD bashing. It didn't work out, for whatever reasons you're having yourself. Let's look to the future and stop banging a drum that has been beaten to death at every available opportunity over the last few weeks/months...
BarneysTie (Meath) - Posts: 258 - 10/08/2016 14:16:12
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Replying To royaldunne: "Barry didn't work out no doubt about that,
Coyler got us to all ire semi finals, again not too bad, eob didn't work out? Is utter nonsense, the man helped us beat dubs, got to and even though controversial won Leinsterfinal , after getting us to all ire semis, and was shafted, pure and simple and to say otherwise is totally disrespectful.
Banty was a disaster but worse was to come, mod ,half the people on tho forum thought he was a Monaghan /cavan man when appointed
He was never a county manager and was only a joint manager player of a club.
No one is setting anybody up for a fall, we are scraping above div 3 and qualifier cannon fodder because of that appointment, it will take Andy time to undo the damage that has been inflicted over last 4 years, but he is the man to do it, it wont happen in year one but it will happen" Before managing Meath what experencedid MOD have ?
bdbuddah (Meath) - Posts: 1333 - 10/08/2016 20:41:12
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Replying To bdbuddah: "Before managing Meath what experencedid MOD have ?" Was joined manager when Skyrne won the championship.
ziggy32001 (Meath) - Posts: 8354 - 11/08/2016 08:05:30
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Replying To bdbuddah: "One of the main reasons for Sean Boylans success is he looked beyond the Senior clubs when picking his teams, Robbie O' Malley, Martin O' Connell, Bernard Flynn etc. If the manager sticks to senior clubs he will be loosing out on many of the countys better players. Anyway is the Meath Senior championship in that much of a huge step up from intermediate ?, look at how Na Fianna won the intermediate and in their first 3 years in Senior got to 2 finals. Navan get hammered in Leinster Club championship each year they play in it while Ratoath won Leinster intermediate fairly easily while Curraha won the Leinster Junior (as Meath clubs win it most years)." Boylan also players to play for senior teams example been John Mc chaining from Curagha to skryne,
bobkarlgees (Meath) - Posts: 1263 - 11/08/2016 11:13:02
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Something thing AMC has to change is not to be afraid of been favorites something that doesn't sit well with us, and many Irish teams all codes. We always seem to get our best results when we are underdogs. To many to mention. Also a problem with Meath teams (not just MODs ) in the past we don't seem to like to gettting big lead up early we tend to panic. Like a lot of posters here I can see a lot of players been cut also. I can see a stable team emerging after a year or two. I know teams these days play a lot of impact subs Mayo last Saturday been a example. But the top 4 teams in country start the same 15 bar injuries. Some we haven't done over the last number of years.
Summary
1) Don't afraid of favorites, we need to start fearing no one.
2) A plan to get ahead and stay ahead.
3) A consistent team.
bobkarlgees (Meath) - Posts: 1263 - 11/08/2016 11:43:35
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Replying To bobkarlgees: "Something thing AMC has to change is not to be afraid of been favorites something that doesn't sit well with us, and many Irish teams all codes. We always seem to get our best results when we are underdogs. To many to mention. Also a problem with Meath teams (not just MODs ) in the past we don't seem to like to gettting big lead up early we tend to panic. Like a lot of posters here I can see a lot of players been cut also. I can see a stable team emerging after a year or two. I know teams these days play a lot of impact subs Mayo last Saturday been a example. But the top 4 teams in country start the same 15 bar injuries. Some we haven't done over the last number of years.
Summary
1) Don't afraid of favorites, we need to start fearing no one.
2) A plan to get ahead and stay ahead.
3) A consistent team." `Bob
It will be interesting to see if the injury count in down too.
If you notice Dublin rarely have one lad injured..
ziggy32001 (Meath) - Posts: 8354 - 11/08/2016 12:03:11
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Replying To ziggy32001: "`Bob
It will be interesting to see if the injury count in down too.
If you notice Dublin rarely have one lad injured.." Yeah Ziggy a quality medial team behind them you will find is the difference there. Maybe they don't have rush players back as quick as we would either.
bobkarlgees (Meath) - Posts: 1263 - 11/08/2016 14:14:24
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Replying To bobkarlgees: "Yeah Ziggy a quality medial team behind them you will find is the difference there. Maybe they don't have rush players back as quick as we would either." Or play players who are not fit enough.That happened an awful lot is the last few years...
ziggy32001 (Meath) - Posts: 8354 - 11/08/2016 15:29:11
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Replying To RoyalBadger: "Reading this thread and the one on the main board reminds of Newcastle United fans when Kevin Keegan was reappointed circa 2008.
A simple managerial appointment would solve all our problems and things would turn around and a road to glory was inevitable.
Don't get me wrong Andy McEntee was the outstanding candidate and thoroughly deserves the opportunity to be Meath manager.
But can some of you please calm down. We are starting from a very low base. Barely above Div 3 standard and qualifier fodder. He has a monumental task to overcome this and no guarantee he can turn it around given the raw material he has at his disposal.
Best of luck to them man but lets not set him up for a gigantic fall. We've gone for decent club managers and that hasn't worked before (Barry, MOD), we tried a Boylan era hero (Coyle) and that fell apart, we tried a Boylan selector (EOB) and it didn't work out and we went outside (Banty) and that didn't work either. Perhaps managerial appointments aren't the issue and the problem lies deeper. Deeper than McEntee can influence." The funny thing is, since Mick O'Dowd stepped down, and AndyMcEntees name was mentioned, I don't think that I have seen a single poster on here claiming that he was automatically going to bring success, or turn us into a top class team overnight.
But I have seen loads of people giving out to (non-existant) posters for claiming that McEntee was going to bring overnight success. Lots of straw-man arguments on this site.
Most posters that I have read in support of McEntee acknowledge the fact that he does not have the players at his disposal that other counties have, and that he is not going to change things overnight. What most people are looking for is:
1. A consistent selection policy
2. Improvement in strength and fitness
3. An improved mentality among the players, whereby they don't automatically fold when teams come back at them.
4. A consistent game-plan.
5. Something resembling a defensive plan
6. A few new (or at least part-worn) players with the physical ability and strength of character to make it as county players.
I am firmly of the belief that Andy McEntee can bring most or all of those things to the table. If he can, we will see what happens. If he can't, we will do nothing more than we have done for the past 4 years.
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Replying To anfearbeag: "The funny thing is, since Mick O'Dowd stepped down, and AndyMcEntees name was mentioned, I don't think that I have seen a single poster on here claiming that he was automatically going to bring success, or turn us into a top class team overnight.
But I have seen loads of people giving out to (non-existant) posters for claiming that McEntee was going to bring overnight success. Lots of straw-man arguments on this site.
Most posters that I have read in support of McEntee acknowledge the fact that he does not have the players at his disposal that other counties have, and that he is not going to change things overnight. What most people are looking for is:
1. A consistent selection policy
2. Improvement in strength and fitness
3. An improved mentality among the players, whereby they don't automatically fold when teams come back at them.
4. A consistent game-plan.
5. Something resembling a defensive plan
6. A few new (or at least part-worn) players with the physical ability and strength of character to make it as county players.
I am firmly of the belief that Andy McEntee can bring most or all of those things to the table. If he can, we will see what happens. If he can't, we will do nothing more than we have done for the past 4 years." Exactly, I have been an advocate for Andy for a bit, I never said he would bring all Irelands or even Leinsters , what I did say was he will bring a team who can play for 70+ mins , a plan A and a plan B , mental strength and toughness, believe it or not football is very enjoyable and everything seems to go right when you when your winning, its when your under pressure and the opposition are coming back at you that its a very hard game, that's when those on the field believing in the sideline really counts.
Yet again no one is saying he will bring overnight success, just for the team to play to their potential and perhaps punch above it at times.
royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 14/08/2016 00:06:53
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