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Replying To royaldunne:  "I can't see a 16 point loss that's for sure.
Perhaps frustrate them into a error, make cluxton kick long , hopefully have Rooney back by then. I think we have the speed to match them in breaking the line. But dubs give away frees and will foul cos biggy or the mcentees going forward so we will need to be practicing from 50 line in , a lot will depend on lenihane in particular, but Tobin and Brennan as well.
But for the moment that is all hypothetical. Sole focus must be on a handy longford team who only for some questionable ref calls would be in division two next year."
Lads get real, our sole target for leinster is to get over Longford and not get humiliated by Dublin, We have not beaten a Division 1 team in many a year, in fact we havent been many division 2 teams in championship over the past few years, we are miles away, I regard myself as positive and a hopeful type but we need to be realistic, there is nothing to suggest that we will be competitive with Dublin, and that is ok because there are maybe 3 teams in the country that can be. But we need to be realistic, beat longford dont get beaten out the gate by Dublin and hope to get a div 3 or 4 team at home in the qualifiers is all we can hope for. and see where we go from there...

longroadback (Meath) - Posts: 223 - 03/04/2018 14:02:53    2090665

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Replying To longroadback:  "Lads get real, our sole target for leinster is to get over Longford and not get humiliated by Dublin, We have not beaten a Division 1 team in many a year, in fact we havent been many division 2 teams in championship over the past few years, we are miles away, I regard myself as positive and a hopeful type but we need to be realistic, there is nothing to suggest that we will be competitive with Dublin, and that is ok because there are maybe 3 teams in the country that can be. But we need to be realistic, beat longford dont get beaten out the gate by Dublin and hope to get a div 3 or 4 team at home in the qualifiers is all we can hope for. and see where we go from there..."
Funny you should way that because plan for a division 1 tean was exactly what we did last year and it very nearly worked out. We were obviously wide open against Kildare and blew away, we then got a lucky home draw against Sligo, which gave us the chance to regroup go back to the drawing board and ensure we were set up properly for our pop at a big team in Mayo or Donegal, which in turn was probably our best championship outing in a few years despite just falling short to a miracle point - small margins. Certainly our most 'encoruaging' exit in a long time.

Longford will get the respect they deserve and that game is what matters for now, but to think someone who prepares a team as well as Mcentee would potentially sit down the following Tuesday a week and a half out from Dublin and see how we are going to set up for the first time is naive to say the least and doesn't need explaining.

dunboynelad (Meath) - Posts: 138 - 03/04/2018 15:14:26    2090695

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Replying To longroadback:  "Lads get real, our sole target for leinster is to get over Longford and not get humiliated by Dublin, We have not beaten a Division 1 team in many a year, in fact we havent been many division 2 teams in championship over the past few years, we are miles away, I regard myself as positive and a hopeful type but we need to be realistic, there is nothing to suggest that we will be competitive with Dublin, and that is ok because there are maybe 3 teams in the country that can be. But we need to be realistic, beat longford dont get beaten out the gate by Dublin and hope to get a div 3 or 4 team at home in the qualifiers is all we can hope for. and see where we go from there..."
In total agreement with this. Once we win Longford, id be happy with even a 2 point win & if don't get eniliated by Dublin we should be happy. Look at the last time we met them in Croker, absolute humiliation for team & supporters, so once this doesn't happen us again i myself will be happy enough. We need to go into this Championship with eyes wide open and under no false illusions.

Loyalroyal17 (Meath) - Posts: 584 - 03/04/2018 15:53:37    2090713

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Replying To Loyalroyal17:  "In total agreement with this. Once we win Longford, id be happy with even a 2 point win & if don't get eniliated by Dublin we should be happy. Look at the last time we met them in Croker, absolute humiliation for team & supporters, so once this doesn't happen us again i myself will be happy enough. We need to go into this Championship with eyes wide open and under no false illusions."
Yeh dont expect anything ,and then we will not be disappointed. bye bye Meath football.

nobull456 (Meath) - Posts: 762 - 03/04/2018 18:48:57    2090785

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Replying To nobull456:  "Yeh dont expect anything ,and then we will not be disappointed. bye bye Meath football."
Bye bye Meath football??
Ok what or who in your opinion will save us?

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 13665 - 03/04/2018 19:44:56    2090799

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Replying To longroadback:  "Lads get real, our sole target for leinster is to get over Longford and not get humiliated by Dublin, We have not beaten a Division 1 team in many a year, in fact we havent been many division 2 teams in championship over the past few years, we are miles away, I regard myself as positive and a hopeful type but we need to be realistic, there is nothing to suggest that we will be competitive with Dublin, and that is ok because there are maybe 3 teams in the country that can be. But we need to be realistic, beat longford dont get beaten out the gate by Dublin and hope to get a div 3 or 4 team at home in the qualifiers is all we can hope for. and see where we go from there..."
Royal Dunne where are you getting this from harry is hurt and hopefully we'll have him back?

Harry is 100% NOT hurt he is training away with Skryne. You'll see this weekend when you see him playing against Curraha

Andy just won't put him on,

SS6 (Meath) - Posts: 149 - 03/04/2018 19:50:22    2090800

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Anybody else notice how Andy has backed off a bit on the line over the past few games?

I think there's a happy medium between having the arms folded on the sideline versus roaring orders at the players.

The players need to be allowed space to take risks, have a go and figure things out themselves in the heat of battle.

bert09 (Meath) - Posts: 1487 - 03/04/2018 21:04:04    2090824

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Replying To SS6:  "Royal Dunne where are you getting this from harry is hurt and hopefully we'll have him back?

Harry is 100% NOT hurt he is training away with Skryne. You'll see this weekend when you see him playing against Curraha

Andy just won't put him on,"
From what I can see Harry had one outstanding game against the dubs in the O'Byrne cup a few years back but hasnt really progressed. Paddy Kennelly on the other handhas taken his chance with midfield and deserves another start.

bert09 (Meath) - Posts: 1487 - 03/04/2018 21:07:58    2090825

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Replying To royaldunne:  "Bye bye Meath football??
Ok what or who in your opinion will save us?"
Firstly WHO....... Andy Mc Entee could do....
1. He took on board the learning points over the last year,and set about making adjustments as required.
2 Above all else he instilled belief ,and positive attitude by removing the fear factor so obvious in our players. That means you are NEVER beaten BEFORE you start..
3 By all means face reality, but i believe reality is we have a need to fill. fill it .That could mean adjusting management style. NOT GETTING RID OF THE MANAGER.. Get help to fill the obvious gaps. I am convinced Andy knows what those gaps in management/coaching are. I am fully supportive of him in his attempts to meet the needs that are obvious. i totally reject the notion that we will be ok as we are.......No we wont !. I have never seen a Meath team so mentally fragile.... That is the starting point. maybe then we might refine a gameplan. I make no apologies to anyone for my strongly held views. I want the same for Meath football as any other poster here. I am convinced we can get there in time , but not without an honest stocktake and appropriate adjustments. p.s. maybe this wont be printed as i am not good at pretending . to have false optimism

nobull456 (Meath) - Posts: 762 - 03/04/2018 21:26:30    2090830

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Replying To bert09:  "Anybody else notice how Andy has backed off a bit on the line over the past few games?

I think there's a happy medium between having the arms folded on the sideline versus roaring orders at the players.

The players need to be allowed space to take risks, have a go and figure things out themselves in the heat of battle."
I could still hear him on the far side of the pitch against Louth, thought the shouting at Flanagan against Down was pretty poor and I don't think it improves players performances it just makes the player more nervous as in Flanagan's case.

Barney123 (Meath) - Posts: 453 - 04/04/2018 07:55:16    2090893

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Replying To Barney123:  "I could still hear him on the far side of the pitch against Louth, thought the shouting at Flanagan against Down was pretty poor and I don't think it improves players performances it just makes the player more nervous as in Flanagan's case."
Exactly a good example of the point instilling fear instead of encouragement and shortcomings in management style.

nobull456 (Meath) - Posts: 762 - 04/04/2018 09:32:28    2090913

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But did he not shout at players before ? Many managers shout at players I am not saying its right, but whats different now ?

bobkarlgees (Meath) - Posts: 818 - 04/04/2018 12:06:18    2090976

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Every manager shouts/encourages/scolds players???? are we really saying that Grown men cannot cope with this, come on, I have no time for roaring/balling/abusing players but come on , poor snowflakes!!

longroadback (Meath) - Posts: 223 - 04/04/2018 12:14:36    2090986

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Replying To longroadback:  "Every manager shouts/encourages/scolds players???? are we really saying that Grown men cannot cope with this, come on, I have no time for roaring/balling/abusing players but come on , poor snowflakes!!"
That is one small example used,and on its own means very little . Much more important look look at the indecision of players,and their fear of taking responsibility. Look at the overall picture not just a snapshot.

nobull456 (Meath) - Posts: 762 - 04/04/2018 12:28:49    2090989

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Replying To nobull456:  "That is one small example used,and on its own means very little . Much more important look look at the indecision of players,and their fear of taking responsibility. Look at the overall picture not just a snapshot."
I think that certain players do fear taking responsibility, others not so, but if 6 months is spent working on a particular plan and lads dont/cant execute it, it is fair enough to get frustrated, against that lads have to have the courage to try something different if it is on, but to use flanagan as an example, in the half he played against down he gave the ball away almost every time he had it, he kicked it away, he hand passed it away, nothing to do with any system,

longroadback (Meath) - Posts: 223 - 04/04/2018 12:37:41    2090990

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Replying To longroadback:  "Every manager shouts/encourages/scolds players???? are we really saying that Grown men cannot cope with this, come on, I have no time for roaring/balling/abusing players but come on , poor snowflakes!!"
You are incorrect- Was not aware of Boylan, Harte, Gavin etc.- I could go on.

browncows (Meath) - Posts: 1800 - 04/04/2018 16:48:40    2091085

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Did anyone notice Louth only had 5 subs. Had to get the goalkeeping coach to tog out as cover he's 43. I was told he's not a member of any club. If he came on then what would happen. Would the Louth Chairman and secretary be suspended by Croke park. Is it not against the rules that he was even togged out Must have his name on the Team sheet??

latouche25 (Meath) - Posts: 188 - 11/04/2018 11:36:47    2092311

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