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Some referee don't know the rules, the other day I was playing football and had possession of the football and was knocked to the ground and lost possession of ball but I fisted the ball on the ground and referee gave a free against me, wrong decision. A lot of referees don't know this rule, opinions ? Teddy5 (Wexford) - Posts: 122 - 06/03/2017 11:11:43 1964422 Link
I think it's if your knock to the ground and retain possession you can fist the ball away but not if the ball is loose lillyboy (Kildare) - Posts: 429 - 06/03/2017 11:51:35 1964460 Link
A number of them don't know a lot of the rules - consider yourself lucky it was only this one which was called wrong.... you want to see some of the calls made in the game I was watching yesterday. Offside_Rule (Antrim) - Posts: 4058 - 06/03/2017 11:56:33 1964464 Link
Replying To lillyboy: "I think it's if your knock to the ground and retain possession you can fist the ball away but not if the ball is loose" I checked the rules, you can do it Teddy5 (Wexford) - Posts: 122 - 06/03/2017 12:07:45 1964475 Link
Rules of Fair Play RULE 1 - THE PLAY 1.2 When the ball is on the ground, it may be played by any part of the body except the hand(s). It may be lifted off the ground with the feet. Exceptions (i)The goalkeeper may play the ball on the ground with his hand(s) inside his own small rectangle. (ii)Any player who falls or is knocked to the ground while in possession of the ball may fist or palm the ball away on the ground, and may score by so doing. I've yet to see a ref award a score in the above scenario, can't imagine it'd go down to well with the team who conceded or their fans. Was told before when on a refs course to only implement this rule if the player who had possession and went to ground was fouled, and to use "common sense" of course... if_in_doubt (Kildare) - Posts: 3685 - 06/03/2017 13:01:10 1964520 Link
As an experienced club referee myself , it's a rule I'm fully aware of. But I don't like the rule and refuse to ever apply it in any circumstances. There is no logical reason why it should be permitted. Many will say I shouldn't pick and choose which rules to apply, but those same people will have never refereed a game in their lives and won't understand the issues a daft rule like this causes. banner_boy (Clare) - Posts: 1285 - 06/03/2017 14:07:20 1964584 Link
Replying To banner_boy: "As an experienced club referee myself , it's a rule I'm fully aware of. But I don't like the rule and refuse to ever apply it in any circumstances. There is no logical reason why it should be permitted. Many will say I shouldn't pick and choose which rules to apply, but those same people will have never refereed a game in their lives and won't understand the issues a daft rule like this causes." Im gobsmacked you as a ref admit to fail to apply the rules, I played by the rules of the game and a free awarded to the other team ! Teddy5 (Wexford) - Posts: 122 - 06/03/2017 14:16:49 1964595 Link
Well if you're gobsmacked by that, then you've a lot to learn about the GAA my friend. There's at least 7 rules within the GAA playing rulebook (mostly in football) that are so daft I've never seen them applied in my 40 years watching/playing/refereeing GAA. Don't blame the refs for applying a bit of pragmatism and common sense. We need to get off the pitch alive to rear our kids ya know! banner_boy (Clare) - Posts: 1285 - 06/03/2017 15:38:30 1964652 Link
Its a bit like dropping the hurl, cant remember the last time I seen a referee blow for it! Pinkie (Wexford) - Posts: 4100 - 06/03/2017 15:55:59 1964661 Link
Well if you're gobsmacked by that, then you've a lot to learn about the GAA my friend. There's at least 7 rules within the GAA playing rulebook (mostly in football) that are so daft I've never seen them applied in my 40 years watching/playing/refereeing GAA. Don't blame the refs for applying a bit of pragmatism and common sense. We need to get off the pitch alive to rear our kids ya know! banner_boy (Clare) - Posts:1281 - 06/03/2017 15:38:30 Out of interest, which rules do you mean? There is some weird ones in the rulebook. Monaghan08 (Monaghan) - Posts: 188 - 06/03/2017 16:33:26 1964688 Link
Replying To banner_boy: "Well if you're gobsmacked by that, then you've a lot to learn about the GAA my friend. There's at least 7 rules within the GAA playing rulebook (mostly in football) that are so daft I've never seen them applied in my 40 years watching/playing/refereeing GAA. Don't blame the refs for applying a bit of pragmatism and common sense. We need to get off the pitch alive to rear our kids ya know!" Maybe you shouldn't be refereeing if you're afraid of getting off alive by applying the rules of the game. That kind of attitude makes for a "homer" referee, one who is afraid to offend the home crowd by refereeing by the rules. Cavan_Slasher (Cavan) - Posts: 10253 - 06/03/2017 17:44:28 1964717 Link
Replying To banner_boy: "Well if you're gobsmacked by that, then you've a lot to learn about the GAA my friend. There's at least 7 rules within the GAA playing rulebook (mostly in football) that are so daft I've never seen them applied in my 40 years watching/playing/refereeing GAA. Don't blame the refs for applying a bit of pragmatism and common sense. We need to get off the pitch alive to rear our kids ya know!" Rules are rules, just because you think the rules are daft dont mean they are , Teddy5 (Wexford) - Posts: 122 - 06/03/2017 17:48:09 1964723 Link
Interesting response banner_man! I know certain intercounty referees dont implement some rules. Notably David Gough (although he's frustratingly inconsistent!). But the rules are the rules for a reason. I'm certain if a number of elite referees wanted a rule changed the GAA would oblige. "Common sense" isn't a term I would use to describe a referee ignoring the rule book. Common sense would be implementing the rule properly then explaining some of the bigger calls on TV following the game (or to both managers for non-TV games. cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5010 - 06/03/2017 17:56:03 1964729 Link
most referees don't know the 4 step rules. players are being let away with 6/7 steps everytime and doing illegal bounces - carrying the ball in the hand while bouncing it is a foul forwards grabbing a defenders hand and pulling them into a tackle to draw a free manfromdelmonte (UK) - Posts: 541 - 06/03/2017 19:43:21 1964779 Link
Replying To if_in_doubt: "Rules of Fair Play RULE 1 - THE PLAY 1.2 When the ball is on the ground, it may be played by any part of the body except the hand(s). It may be lifted off the ground with the feet. Exceptions (i)The goalkeeper may play the ball on the ground with his hand(s) inside his own small rectangle. (ii)Any player who falls or is knocked to the ground while in possession of the ball may fist or palm the ball away on the ground, and may score by so doing. I've yet to see a ref award a score in the above scenario, can't imagine it'd go down to well with the team who conceded or their fans. Was told before when on a refs course to only implement this rule if the player who had possession and went to ground was fouled, and to use "common sense" of course..." So it doesn't matter if the Tyrone player hit the ball on the ground or not in the 1995 All-Ireland when they were denied the equaliser? I remember the debate at the time being solely around whether the ball was hopping or not....seems like it didn't matter, county man (Limerick) - Posts: 1102 - 06/03/2017 23:00:59 1964867 Link
Replying To banner_boy: "Well if you're gobsmacked by that, then you've a lot to learn about the GAA my friend. There's at least 7 rules within the GAA playing rulebook (mostly in football) that are so daft I've never seen them applied in my 40 years watching/playing/refereeing GAA. Don't blame the refs for applying a bit of pragmatism and common sense. We need to get off the pitch alive to rear our kids ya know!" is it any wonder why the game is in such a state when we have referees deciding which rules to apply and which not.. ridiculous. btw. should Michael Daragh Macauly's goal have stood then against Mayo. he fell or was knocked to the ground and fisted the ball in to the net. also While I'm at it If you are knocked to the ground whilst in possession of the ball , do you not earn a free. I am absolutely fed up with refs who allow players to be mauled by a group of players whilst in possession of the ball and then give a free against them. Ref's are destroying gaelic football by not applying the rules, as the banner man stated, they think they no better themselves and decide their own rules. s goldrick (Cavan) - Posts: 5518 - 07/03/2017 03:42:13 1964894 Link
Replying To manfromdelmonte: "most referees don't know the 4 step rules. players are being let away with 6/7 steps everytime and doing illegal bounces - carrying the ball in the hand while bouncing it is a foul forwards grabbing a defenders hand and pulling them into a tackle to draw a free" "carrying the ball in the hand while bouncing it is a foul" explain please as I am a bit perplexed . s goldrick (Cavan) - Posts: 5518 - 07/03/2017 03:44:37 1964895 Link
Replying To s goldrick: "is it any wonder why the game is in such a state when we have referees deciding which rules to apply and which not.. ridiculous. btw. should Michael Daragh Macauly's goal have stood then against Mayo. he fell or was knocked to the ground and fisted the ball in to the net. also While I'm at it If you are knocked to the ground whilst in possession of the ball , do you not earn a free. I am absolutely fed up with refs who allow players to be mauled by a group of players whilst in possession of the ball and then give a free against them. Ref's are destroying gaelic football by not applying the rules, as the banner man stated, they think they no better themselves and decide their own rules." Well said Sir - like a broken record I have been saying this for years and feeling the wrath of the HS referees representatives. It's like you can't be critical where it is justified without people taking it as a personal attack on them because they are a referee and then they all stick together. We have the green thumbs up, we have the red thumbs down. Time for a brown nose symbol? ;-) Offside_Rule (Antrim) - Posts: 4058 - 07/03/2017 10:07:43 1964926 Link
Replying To manfromdelmonte: "most referees don't know the 4 step rules. players are being let away with 6/7 steps everytime and doing illegal bounces - carrying the ball in the hand while bouncing it is a foul forwards grabbing a defenders hand and pulling them into a tackle to draw a free" how can you carry the ball in hand, and bouce said ball, at the same time ? ......You've lost me. waynoI (Dublin) - Posts: 13650 - 07/03/2017 10:53:27 1964938 Link
Replying To waynoI: "how can you carry the ball in hand, and bouce said ball, at the same time ? ......You've lost me." Have a watch at Debbie does Dallas then come back on that! Offside_Rule (Antrim) - Posts: 4058 - 07/03/2017 10:58:44 1964942 Link