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This new "super 8" format got me thinking. Is it a coincidence that two of the fairest provincial championships are also the most competitive? Killarney.87 (Tipperary) - Posts: 2513 - 25/02/2017 15:40:02 1960484 Link 0 |
Unless they get rid of the provincial championships how can the championships be made fairer. the reason the Munster and Ulster championship are competitive is because of the counties in those provinces.It has absolutely nothing to do with the format of the provincial championships in those provinces. uibhfhaili1986 (Offaly) - Posts: 1296 - 25/02/2017 15:52:36 1960490 Link 0 |
The point I am making is there are no seeded teams. It's an open draw. If they scraped the provincial championship they'd still seed it anyway. The super 8 is another step towards an elite few at the detriment of everyone else. Killarney.87 (Tipperary) - Posts: 2513 - 25/02/2017 16:12:02 1960502 Link 0 |
Certainly not by developing a 'Super 8' which is not favoured by either county or club players. Perhaps players are deemed redundant in this 'New GAA Vision'.
neverright (Roscommon) - Posts: 1648 - 25/02/2017 16:28:34 1960513 Link 0 |
People speak a lot about Champions League format. The Champions League has a qualification process. The Super 8 similarly will have a qualification process. It's not unusual to set a standard. legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7758 - 25/02/2017 16:29:13 1960514 Link 0 |
You seem to have a fierce dislike of the provincial championship my friend. I would safely say that if Offaly won either there would be some celebrating done. I think that is the seem for nearly every county. Even Tyrone last year after winning Ulster was unreal and we have been successful in recent years. I know Ulster and Munster are the most competitive but maybe if Offaly got there house in order they would be a little more competitive. Even if they changed it to Champs league style format instead of provincial would Offaly or any other weaker county be competitive. I think it would be the same teams getting to the latter stages
The_Fridge (Tyrone) - Posts: 2087 - 25/02/2017 16:33:04 1960518 Link 0 |
Who exactly would benefit if Leinster football change to an open draw? Who wants to watch Carlow or Wicklow getting an utter trouncing vs. Dublin in the first round? I could easily see players for weak counties stepping out for the year and going traveling if they knew 7 months in advance that their first championship game was away to Dublin. CastleBravo (Meath) - Posts: 1639 - 25/02/2017 17:11:38 1960534 Link 1 |
The provincial champions are holding back overall progress. I'd love if Offaly won one but I'd much prefer if we had a much better system overall.I;d prefer the games to thrive rather than keep a system that might suit my own county.That sort of attitude unfortunately is very rare in the GAA amongst people who actually have some influence. uibhfhaili1986 (Offaly) - Posts: 1296 - 25/02/2017 17:52:06 1960552 Link 0 |
Where was a motion at congress for 8 groups of 4 and abandoning the provincial championships? legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7758 - 25/02/2017 19:30:56 1960584 Link 0 |
Lads you are living in cloud cuckoo land if you think the powers that be are going to get rid of the prov championships. If you look at some of the attendances in Ulster alone and the money it generates. Never ever going to happen. Remember it's all about money!!!!!
The_Fridge (Tyrone) - Posts: 2087 - 25/02/2017 20:08:38 1960598 Link 1 |
That's the problem, everything is a money first decision.
Killarney.87 (Tipperary) - Posts: 2513 - 25/02/2017 20:51:00 1960635 Link 0 |
My question was for those cribbing about the Super 8 motion being passed at Congress.
legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7758 - 25/02/2017 21:09:13 1960651 Link 0 |
Forgive me if I'm wrong but isn't Connacht an open type of draw You just dont play the same teams as last year. I think it has to do more with parity than anything else. Ulster has a bunch of counties roughly at the same level Munster hurling the same. Right now Connacht and Leinster in football have 1 dominant team each which makes it difficult for others to break through but it happens cluichethar (Mayo) - Posts: 453 - 25/02/2017 21:45:15 1960680 Link 0 |
I put a link below relating to format ideas put forward by L Shara which are 'revolutionary' and may be too much for the GAA (and YOU :). omahant (USA) - Posts: 2535 - 26/02/2017 19:44:47 1961209 Link 0 |
Where I am coming from is Tipp and cork used to be kept apart in Munster and back then they dominated. When the Munster hurling championship went open draw the gap closed and now its ultra competitive. Mayo and Dublin have lots of money behind them and that helps. Both sets of players are extremely talented too and it is why they are contesting All Ireland finals. It looks like Galway and Roscommon have caught up with Mayo and the Connacht championship is usually very competitive with the exception of Mayo's spell of dominance. Killarney.87 (Tipperary) - Posts: 2513 - 28/02/2017 19:41:52 1962282 Link 0 |
Keeping the Provincial championships isn't only about money. It's also about exposure, the attendances that you get at Provincial championship games are great for promoting the game and make them indispensable right now.
Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4172 - 28/02/2017 21:53:22 1962330 Link 0 |
Agreed. That's the cherry on top. Mostly about money though.
The_Fridge (Tyrone) - Posts: 2087 - 28/02/2017 22:33:46 1962339 Link 0 |
That's very interesting - the link is broken by the way - it should be: link This is effectively the system that was used in the Cavan Intermediate championship last year - the only difference being that there was no seeding: link It is a very clever system and could definitely be used for the All Ireland. For example, in the Super 8, teams could be in two seeding pots - one for the four provincial champions and one for the four qualifiers. Each team plays one from their own pot and two from the other pot with no rematches allowed. There would be a single table with the top four qualifying for the semi finals. As stated in the article, it would virtually eliminate the chance of dead rubbers (which is a significant flaw in the Super 8 proposal that's been adopted). Similarly it could be used for a Super 10 in Hurling with each team playing say five matches, the top 6 qualifying for the play-offs and the bottom four playing relegation finals. CeachtPeile (Cavan) - Posts: 94 - 28/02/2017 23:22:46 1962349 Link 0 |
And what's wrong with the GAA wanting to make money? The accounts are all public and a massively bigger proportion of the funds than in any other sport is put back into the grassroots. Also the cost of tickets is incredibly reasonable compared to others. What's your alternative - all games to be free or empty grounds with no money coming in? This is an organisation that has just decided to abolish most replays and to foolishly abandon the most high profile month of the year to other sports, which is going to cost it a lot of money. Why would a supposedly money-grabbing organisation do that? And the Super 8 won't compensate for the lost income considering so many of the games will be played outside Croke Park in significantly smaller grounds and the risk that, in the worst case scenario, all four final round games are 'dead rubbers' and will attract small crowds. CeachtPeile (Cavan) - Posts: 94 - 28/02/2017 23:36:34 1962351 Link 1 |
The GAA top brass has no interest in fairness. tearintom (Wexford) - Posts: 1304 - 01/03/2017 08:14:20 1962364 Link 0 |