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This year the Mostrim club in Longford have a motion in Congress, to reduce the amount of outside hurlers to play for a weaker County from 5 to 3. Armagh tried to abolish this rule last year. We are both weak Hurling counties. Let's all support Longford. cuchulainn35 (Armagh) - Posts: 1673 - 23/02/2017 14:53:16 1959899 Link
Replying To cuchulainn35: "This year the Mostrim club in Longford have a motion in Congress, to reduce the amount of outside hurlers to play for a weaker County from 5 to 3. Armagh tried to abolish this rule last year. We are both weak Hurling counties. Let's all support Longford." When you say outside hurlers do you include players who live and work in the county. Kildare have been criticised for playing non native players -unfairly so in my opinion since most if not all live in the county. lilywhite1 (Kildare) - Posts: 2989 - 23/02/2017 17:18:07 1959966 Link
This is from the Mostrim club in Edgeworthstown - better known in hurling circles as Wolfe Tones. The idea is that only 3 players who hurl for a club outside the county can play for that county. What's the point of improving the county team's standard when it doesn't benefit the club scene in the county? keeper7 (Longford) - Posts: 4088 - 23/02/2017 19:07:56 1960002 Link
Replying To lilywhite1: "When you say outside hurlers do you include players who live and work in the county. Kildare have been criticised for playing non native players -unfairly so in my opinion since most if not all live in the county." But are not prepared to play for a club in the county. Some commitment your.right (Longford) - Posts: 74 - 23/02/2017 19:14:35 1960007 Link
it is hugely papering over the cracks in the likes of Longford. there are now only two hurling clubs in longford. 10 years ago there were three. 15 years ago there were four. manfromdelmonte (UK) - Posts: 541 - 23/02/2017 20:08:13 1960023 Link
The problem with using outside players if you get promoted to Liam Mccarthy and/or Division 1 you can't use these players and you have to ask lads in who were replaced by the outsiders. Also, in Kerry I felt the lads who came in weren't any better than what we had and weren't overly bothered apart from Pat Kelly who is still playing and has made a big impact in his 3 years here KYTotalFootball (Kerry) - Posts: 280 - 23/02/2017 20:19:52 1960030 Link
Replying To manfromdelmonte: "it is hugely papering over the cracks in the likes of Longford. there are now only two hurling clubs in longford. 10 years ago there were three. 15 years ago there were four." But are the falling numbers in Longford playing hurling because of outside players , or would there be other more pertinent negative influences affecting it? extranjero (Wexford) - Posts: 375 - 23/02/2017 20:23:59 1960032 Link
Replying To extranjero: "But are the falling numbers in Longford playing hurling because of outside players , or would there be other more pertinent negative influences affecting it?" There are three senior clubs in Longford. 10 years ago there were four. 20 years ago there were six or eight. Longford first won the Lory Meagher Cup in 2010. There were 5 outside players on the team - most of them Guards who worked in Longford at some stag). There was much praise & fanfare after the win but there was absolutely no plan in place to take advantage of the shot in the arm to develop hurling in the county. Soon enough the potential & momentum petered out & we were back to square one again. So, yes the outside players helped the cause in the short run but because it wasn't part of any larger plan to drive on the game in Longford it had no lasting positive effects. Conclusion: there has to be joined-up thinking with the 'bigger picture' in mind to increase the profile & develop hurling or it's pretty pointless. Joe Quaid has done a 180 degree about-turn on his stance from 12 months ago, which I find bizarre, to say the least. keeper7 (Longford) - Posts: 4088 - 24/02/2017 02:16:03 1960101 Link
Replying To keeper7: "There are three senior clubs in Longford. 10 years ago there were four. 20 years ago there were six or eight. Longford first won the Lory Meagher Cup in 2010. There were 5 outside players on the team - most of them Guards who worked in Longford at some stag). There was much praise & fanfare after the win but there was absolutely no plan in place to take advantage of the shot in the arm to develop hurling in the county. Soon enough the potential & momentum petered out & we were back to square one again. So, yes the outside players helped the cause in the short run but because it wasn't part of any larger plan to drive on the game in Longford it had no lasting positive effects. Conclusion: there has to be joined-up thinking with the 'bigger picture' in mind to increase the profile & develop hurling or it's pretty pointless. Joe Quaid has done a 180 degree about-turn on his stance from 12 months ago, which I find bizarre, to say the least." I think a county player should play for a team in that county however if a player moves to a new county to work and live he should be allowed to play for his old county r club if he wishs hoopman (Tyrone) - Posts: 105 - 24/02/2017 09:18:33 1960138 Link
I would approach this the other way around. Let talented young hurlers from the weaker counties also play with stronger counties (if they are good enough). You then have something for them to aspire to. Imagine the buzz for the kids of knowing that a lad from your local club is also playing for Kilkenny? liam500 (Wicklow) - Posts: 175 - 24/02/2017 10:23:42 1960151 Link
Replying To keeper7: "There are three senior clubs in Longford. 10 years ago there were four. 20 years ago there were six or eight. Longford first won the Lory Meagher Cup in 2010. There were 5 outside players on the team - most of them Guards who worked in Longford at some stag). There was much praise & fanfare after the win but there was absolutely no plan in place to take advantage of the shot in the arm to develop hurling in the county. Soon enough the potential & momentum petered out & we were back to square one again. So, yes the outside players helped the cause in the short run but because it wasn't part of any larger plan to drive on the game in Longford it had no lasting positive effects. Conclusion: there has to be joined-up thinking with the 'bigger picture' in mind to increase the profile & develop hurling or it's pretty pointless. Joe Quaid has done a 180 degree about-turn on his stance from 12 months ago, which I find bizarre, to say the least." Interesting post keeper7. It sounds to me, if you have 5, 3, or however many outsiders, it won't make a difference if there's no development plan as well. extranjero (Wexford) - Posts: 375 - 24/02/2017 10:53:34 1960162 Link
Replying To liam500: "I would approach this the other way around. Let talented young hurlers from the weaker counties also play with stronger counties (if they are good enough). You then have something for them to aspire to. Imagine the buzz for the kids of knowing that a lad from your local club is also playing for Kilkenny?" How many Wicklow hurlers would make the Kilkenny panel? keeper7 (Longford) - Posts: 4088 - 24/02/2017 11:07:34 1960171 Link
Replying To extranjero: "Interesting post keeper7. It sounds to me, if you have 5, 3, or however many outsiders, it won't make a difference if there's no development plan as well." Generally, if you go to the bother of 'signing up' outside players you will start (& finish) them in every game. If there's 5 outsiders it invariably means the locals are fighting for 10 places on the team instead of 15. keeper7 (Longford) - Posts: 4088 - 24/02/2017 11:10:36 1960172 Link
Replying To keeper7: "Generally, if you go to the bother of 'signing up' outside players you will start (& finish) them in every game. If there's 5 outsiders it invariably means the locals are fighting for 10 places on the team instead of 15." That's a fair point. Another way of looking at it, if you have 20 local lads in a squad, if you bring in 5 from outside at a higher level, that'll help raise the levels of the 20 local players, who in turn return to their clubs as better players and help raise ability levels amongst their clubmates. I think its a more nuanced problem than some think. What might work for Longford might not in Armagh, and vice-versa. And ultimately, however many outsiders you have, what's really holding back hurling in weaker areas (in my opinion) Low funding Poor planning Lower interest and confidence. I reckon these should be more pressing concerns than outsiders. extranjero (Wexford)* - Posts: 375 - 24/02/2017 11:43:40 1960189 Link
Replying To your.right: "But are not prepared to play for a club in the county. Some commitment" you its not on to be fair. ziggy32001 (Meath) - Posts: 8354 - 24/02/2017 13:29:34 1960218 Link
A big problem is also that the northern counties don't have the same access to 'outside' players from stronger hurling counties. Also our county secretary is insisting on listing our own county players by their football clubs ("for insurance purposes") in match programmes which really does make the team look like a 'league of nations' conglomeration. Not exactly ideal for our hurling clubs from a PR perspective! keeper7 (Longford) - Posts: 4088 - 24/02/2017 14:01:41 1960227 Link
Replying To extranjero: "That's a fair point. Another way of looking at it, if you have 20 local lads in a squad, if you bring in 5 from outside at a higher level, that'll help raise the levels of the 20 local players, who in turn return to their clubs as better players and help raise ability levels amongst their clubmates. I think its a more nuanced problem than some think. What might work for Longford might not in Armagh, and vice-versa. And ultimately, however many outsiders you have, what's really holding back hurling in weaker areas (in my opinion) Low funding Poor planning Lower interest and confidence. I reckon these should be more pressing concerns than outsiders." There are decisions being made in the name of hurling in the county without consultation with the hurling clubs. We have no representative on the county executive & poor representation at CB level. e.g. The current senior hurling management was reappointed without any input from the hurling clubs. Would this happen in Wexford??? keeper7 (Longford)* - Posts: 4088 - 24/02/2017 14:07:55 1960231 Link
Bart Hanley and Cathal Mullane. Centre back and full forward for Longford hurlers. Both playing club hurling in Limerick? S Man (Limerick) - Posts: 229 - 24/02/2017 14:28:15 1960234 Link
Replying To keeper7: "A big problem is also that the northern counties don't have the same access to 'outside' players from stronger hurling counties. Also our county secretary is insisting on listing our own county players by their football clubs ("for insurance purposes") in match programmes which really does make the team look like a 'league of nations' conglomeration. Not exactly ideal for our hurling clubs from a PR perspective!" he's just being an idiot. still though, there are only two hurling clubs in Longford - Wolfetones and Slashers. Clonguish haven't fielded for a few years. Pity because they used to have some good underage teams. the county board have a 'full time' hurling development coach now. But the problem is that it is a box ticking exercise with a few school coaching sessions, mostly in schools that do not field any hurling teams in outdoor competitions but enter token teams in a series of indoor blitzes. It is the hurling clubs who need the help and the schools clustered around these clubs need to get the hurling coaching. the kids in the majority of clubs and schools in the county will never get to play a game of hurling manfromdelmonte (UK) - Posts: 541 - 24/02/2017 15:00:06 1960241 Link
manfromdelmonte, Agree totally with you. You're well-informed for someone with (UK) after your username...? Only thing is Clonguish are still fielding at senior hurling but haven't fielded at underage for a few years. keeper7 (Longford) - Posts: 4088 - 24/02/2017 16:59:55 1960282 Link