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Loughnane on Cody

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Is he correct?
Time will tell. I for one was sure he would go in 2014. It's hard to see KK being as successful in the next 10 years as they were in the last but who knows.
If he stays for 4 more years, wins no All Ireland and KK drop to 3rd or 4th in the pecking order, does it tarnish his previous success? I don't think it will but if he goes that long KK will be no different than any other county and their supporters will be looking for him to step down I'd imagine. A manager likes him deserves to go out in glory but I'm certain it will get more difficult for KK in the coming few years with the likes of Waterford improving.

Now they could come back and win another 3 in a row either but I think Ger is right on this one. He had the chance to leave like Sir Alex and possibly didn't take it.

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 30/11/2016 16:42:04    1937614

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Replying To tiobraid:  "Is he correct?
Time will tell. I for one was sure he would go in 2014. It's hard to see KK being as successful in the next 10 years as they were in the last but who knows.
If he stays for 4 more years, wins no All Ireland and KK drop to 3rd or 4th in the pecking order, does it tarnish his previous success? I don't think it will but if he goes that long KK will be no different than any other county and their supporters will be looking for him to step down I'd imagine. A manager likes him deserves to go out in glory but I'm certain it will get more difficult for KK in the coming few years with the likes of Waterford improving.

Now they could come back and win another 3 in a row either but I think Ger is right on this one. He had the chance to leave like Sir Alex and possibly didn't take it."
I don't think he would want to head off into the sunset after getting a trimming from their great rivals in Tipp so i wasn't surprised to see him stay on for one more year at least.After all he has done he deserves to go out when he sees fit and you can be sure Kilkenny will be a serious contender next year.

cuederocket (Dublin) - Posts: 5084 - 30/11/2016 17:16:01    1937626

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The man is going nowhere, he has more time on his hands now and will still be around in 5 years time. They will be back in 17 to win the all Ireland again, remember Tipp don't do back to back titles we are heading for nearly 50
Years since back to back.

therealtmo (Tipperary) - Posts: 1292 - 30/11/2016 19:25:22    1937660

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I think Loughnane would want to pick his fights with lesser advesaries, there will only be one winner in this contest.....

Richieq (Meath) - Posts: 3734 - 30/11/2016 20:47:03    1937681

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i think cody will bow out the next time kk win the AI. he will, and deserves too, go out on a high...he would have walked if kk beat ty this year i thinks.

juniorjudge (Waterford) - Posts: 383 - 30/11/2016 20:54:13    1937687

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Regardless of where kk end up in the next few years. Brian cody is the greatest manager the sport has ever seen. Saying that he had some serious Talent at his disposal. Can kk produce more hurlers with the calibre of jj Shef, Tommy, hogan comerford, ect.
Kk will always be in the top 3-4 counties.

TheBlaBoi (Waterford) - Posts: 24 - 30/11/2016 20:56:52    1937688

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Cody is an undisputed god of the game & can do whatever the hell he pleases. I'm inclined to agree with Loughnane on this but I think Ger should've kept his thoughts to himself on this one as there could easily be egg on his own face down the line. I'd like to see Cody take the reins at his own club for a fresh challenge as they've dropped down the pecking order a bit in the county.

keeper7 (Longford) - Posts: 4088 - 30/11/2016 21:02:40    1937692

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Fair play to Loughnane. Theres not enough people speaking their mind in hurling.

ZUL10 (Clare) - Posts: 693 - 30/11/2016 22:23:29    1937705

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Loughnane loves to wind up Cody and Kilkenny. Cody has added 2014 All-Ireland winning minors to his panel for 2017. He and Kilkenny are not going away anytime soon.

He is retired and has plenty of time to devote to Kilkenny hurling.

Killarney.87 (Tipperary) - Posts: 2513 - 01/12/2016 04:09:56    1937724

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Kilkenny are like New Zeland, they'll always be contenders - What was the longest Kilkenny hurling 'famine' - as others have said they have the 2014 minors to come in - although they haven't looked great at u21 the last few years wouldn't suprise me to see them nab an u21 all ireland this year and the cycle begins again...don't ever fear kilkenny being gone - they never are.

73forever (Limerick) - Posts: 89 - 01/12/2016 10:09:37    1937756

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Got to admire Ger for how he keeps himself in the papers

witnof (Dublin) - Posts: 1604 - 01/12/2016 10:51:42    1937763

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I think this is more about Ger than it is about Cody.

arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4895 - 01/12/2016 11:53:10    1937775

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I was expecting a lot of people to talk about Ger rather than the point he made. Regardless of what you think of him (and I'm not a fan by any stretch), would you not agree there's a decentchance he is right?
KK struggled with assembling a decent panel last year.... considering he gave a 29/30 year old player his full debut year and as captain. Granted he has been on the panel for a whilebut that kind of thing doesn't even happen at club level.
KK have lost the likes of Dalton, Cha and Paddy Hogan because they simply didn't need them and Cody washed his hands of them. Now they do but I don't think either Cody or the players themselves would give in so maybe it's time for a fresh voice. That's not Tipp bias either and as I said I could be proved wrong but managers as well as players should know their time to go (and who knows maybe this isn't the time but I find Loughnane's points valid in a lot of respects)

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 01/12/2016 15:26:06    1937830

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Replying To 73forever:  "Kilkenny are like New Zeland, they'll always be contenders - What was the longest Kilkenny hurling 'famine' - as others have said they have the 2014 minors to come in - although they haven't looked great at u21 the last few years wouldn't suprise me to see them nab an u21 all ireland this year and the cycle begins again...don't ever fear kilkenny being gone - they never are."
Agree 100%. And what's more is, even if the talent pool they have dries up for a few years they will still be contenders. Unlikely they'll be beaten in Leinster for the foreseeable future....this means for the next 3 or 4 years they are almost certain to be in the All Ireland semi final every year. Don't care who it is -- when they get to that stage it will take a very good team to stop them.

Besides, Loughnane is contradicting himself somewhat. Earlier in the year he went on and on about KK being "functional"... in other words, that they weren't a good side and were winning despite the lack of quality in the team. Now he's saying that Cody should move on -- which implies that KK have the quality after all but that a change of manager may be needed to bring it out. Which is it Ger?

PoolSturgeon (Galway) - Posts: 1902 - 01/12/2016 21:44:13    1937916

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Is Cody the greatest manager ever? No, he is a good manager because of the talent he has at his possession, to prove he is a great manager he has to take a weak county team and get them to the top table and win Liam, for example if he were to take charge of the likes of Carlow or Laois and they win the All Ireland Hurling title under his management then he can proudly wear the cap of the greatest manager ever

riverboys (Mayo) - Posts: 1389 - 01/12/2016 22:16:40    1937922

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Replying To riverboys:  "Is Cody the greatest manager ever? No, he is a good manager because of the talent he has at his possession, to prove he is a great manager he has to take a weak county team and get them to the top table and win Liam, for example if he were to take charge of the likes of Carlow or Laois and they win the All Ireland Hurling title under his management then he can proudly wear the cap of the greatest manager ever"
Even Carlsberg wouldn't dream about achieving that!!! With all due respect to hurling in both counties, their population base is too small, and in addition to that they are both predominantly football counties. Wouldn't be achievable even if you put every hurling brain in the country working on it. Now to win Liam with Limerick, Wexford, Dublin, or Galway would be within the art of the possible and any manager who would lead any of those counties to a hurling All Ireland would be worshipped forever more.

PoolSturgeon (Galway) - Posts: 1902 - 02/12/2016 06:56:38    1937939

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Replying To riverboys:  "Is Cody the greatest manager ever? No, he is a good manager because of the talent he has at his possession, to prove he is a great manager he has to take a weak county team and get them to the top table and win Liam, for example if he were to take charge of the likes of Carlow or Laois and they win the All Ireland Hurling title under his management then he can proudly wear the cap of the greatest manager ever"
Does that mean Ranieri is a better manager than Ferguson? Must do, going on your logic

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 02/12/2016 08:55:26    1937946

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I don't think Cody will be too bothered by being told he should have gone while the going was good. Loughnane likes to keep himself in the GAA media eye and who better to pass comment on than a high profile manager. McHugh was similar when he made his comment on Cooper.I think Cody will stay because he enjoys it so much and keep at it because its what he loves doing. I'd imagine his status is pretty much established at this point whatever happens over the next couple of years.

Dubh_linn (Dublin) - Posts: 2312 - 02/12/2016 10:35:12    1937963

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I'd say Cody has lost sleep over what Ger had to say about him alright....

Loughnane just loves the sound of his own voice.

Cody is going nowhere and to win an All-Ireland in the next few years is absolutely within him and Kilkenny's grasp.

Pinkie (Wexford) - Posts: 4100 - 02/12/2016 11:30:48    1937974

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Replying To witnof:  "Got to admire Ger for how he keeps himself in the papers"
Hit the nail on the head!!
Thats all this is about.
Every year there are star players retiring who are possible pundits, so Loughnane who is a long time gone from the game has to spin this stuff to stay in focus.
Normally its Tipp he is having a go at (once called Bonnar Maher a junior b player) but he cant do it this year so he has turned on Cody!
I would think Cody has bigger issues to sort out now than Ger.

PremierGold (Tipperary) - Posts: 121 - 02/12/2016 13:38:36    1938003

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