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Just looking at the all-stars nominations again it is dominated by the two counties who get to the final.
Barring Michael Quinlivan from Tipp there is nothing fresh about it.
Clarke seems to have been voted in because of the furore after the final no show, and they felt sorry for him.
In a knock out competition it seems a bit silly to have all-star awards as there are great players from so called weaker counties who never/rarely get a look in. Also the earlier rounds of the championship/qualifiers are quickly forgotten. What chance does a player have who has played two great games but finished on the loosing side?
Alternatively if a player does nothing early in the championship but stands out in the Final/Semi-final he has a great chance of getting picked.
At the moment the players with the likes of Kerry/Dublin/Mayo will hoover up the all-stars.
There should be at least some sort of alternate "away from the limelight" team instead? Where the semi-finalists would not be eligible for contention.
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Replying To gormdubhgorm: "Just looking at the all-stars nominations again it is dominated by the two counties who get to the final.
Barring Michael Quinlivan from Tipp there is nothing fresh about it.
Clarke seems to have been voted in because of the furore after the final no show, and they felt sorry for him.
In a knock out competition it seems a bit silly to have all-star awards as there are great players from so called weaker counties who never/rarely get a look in. Also the earlier rounds of the championship/qualifiers are quickly forgotten. What chance does a player have who has played two great games but finished on the loosing side?
Alternatively if a player does nothing early in the championship but stands out in the Final/Semi-final he has a great chance of getting picked.
At the moment the players with the likes of Kerry/Dublin/Mayo will hoover up the all-stars.
There should be at least some sort of alternate "away from the limelight" team instead? Where the semi-finalists would not be eligible for contention." Given the nature of our competitions I think they can't be picked much differently from how they are.
I was surprised with Brennan's omission, there could have been a midfield spot for him.
He was apparently a top performer in a number of games.
He didn't face stellar opposition and when his team did they were well beaten. So even then his missing out is far from a travesty.
Individual awards in a team sport are a little stupid in my opinion anyway.
Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4195 - 03/11/2016 16:49:31
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Are the ever-more-popular leagues' totally ignored when picking the All Stars?How about a seperate All Stars for the Leagues'?Best and most consistent performers in all four divisions get rewarded for their efforts?
cuederocket (Dublin) - Posts: 5084 - 03/11/2016 17:10:20
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Replying To gormdubhgorm: "Just looking at the all-stars nominations again it is dominated by the two counties who get to the final.
Barring Michael Quinlivan from Tipp there is nothing fresh about it.
Clarke seems to have been voted in because of the furore after the final no show, and they felt sorry for him.
In a knock out competition it seems a bit silly to have all-star awards as there are great players from so called weaker counties who never/rarely get a look in. Also the earlier rounds of the championship/qualifiers are quickly forgotten. What chance does a player have who has played two great games but finished on the loosing side?
Alternatively if a player does nothing early in the championship but stands out in the Final/Semi-final he has a great chance of getting picked.
At the moment the players with the likes of Kerry/Dublin/Mayo will hoover up the all-stars.
There should be at least some sort of alternate "away from the limelight" team instead? Where the semi-finalists would not be eligible for contention." As the system stands at the moment, the All Star Awards reward team achievements much more than individual achievements. The awards, in a way, reflect our society, 'the more you have, the more you get'
neverright (Roscommon) - Posts: 1648 - 03/11/2016 17:31:42
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No. People should just see them for what they are and not get so precious and stroppy about perceived unjust omissions/inclusions.
Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12115 - 03/11/2016 17:31:57
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Replying To cuederocket: "Are the ever-more-popular leagues' totally ignored when picking the All Stars?How about a seperate All Stars for the Leagues'?Best and most consistent performers in all four divisions get rewarded for their efforts?" Pick an All Star team from each division and reward them with a trip abroad. On the trip play exhibition games with teams mixed of players from each division. Players from so-called lesser counties would benefit by training and playing with players from stronger counties.
Rather than just picking players on opinions could they go half voting and half based on some opta-type stats measuring players performance. In championship give a weighting favourable to players from lesser counties. Is the selection of players currently inependent, tallying votes, or does a selection commitee sit down X Factor-style and pick the 15.
GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7325 - 03/11/2016 17:37:16
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Replying To GreenandRed: "Pick an All Star team from each division and reward them with a trip abroad. On the trip play exhibition games with teams mixed of players from each division. Players from so-called lesser counties would benefit by training and playing with players from stronger counties.
Rather than just picking players on opinions could they go half voting and half based on some opta-type stats measuring players performance. In championship give a weighting favourable to players from lesser counties. Is the selection of players currently inependent, tallying votes, or does a selection commitee sit down X Factor-style and pick the 15." I like this idea of picking a team from each division from the league.
Then supporters from other counties can get to know the up-and-coming/good performers that might not be household names.
It would also give fellas a bit encouragement and recognition for their efforts that they might not otherwise get.
gormdubhgorm (Dublin) - Posts: 990 - 03/11/2016 19:23:08
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Replying To neverright: "As the system stands at the moment, the All Star Awards reward team achievements much more than individual achievements. The awards, in a way, reflect our society, 'the more you have, the more you get'" I'd rephrase that;
If you've got loads that you didn't work for, the more you get.
If you got nothing coz you couldn't be bothered getting off your hole, the more you get.
If you've got some, due to working your ass off, then you get nothing.
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Replying To cavanman47: "I'd rephrase that;
If you've got loads that you didn't work for, the more you get.
If you got nothing coz you couldn't be bothered getting off your hole, the more you get.
If you've got some, due to working your ass off, then you get nothing." I agree with you to a point.
There is a real problem in this country with legacy wealth. Super rich families who are asset rich and that wealth gets passed down year on year. This elite are a huge problem. They're a major contributor in the current sky rocketing house prices that we see and also the homeless crisis.
There is not a good balance between taxation of wealth and income taxation. Ireland's left don't see that also and view higher income tax as a solution.
I'd love their to be a stark increase in wealth taxation, in particular inheritance tax. Inheritance tax is not a tax on dead people as it gets spun. It's a tax that's targeted at the children of the rich. In my time it is this group of people who really aren't contributing. They'll do their multiple degrees, the 2nd a 3rd of which will be paid for by daddy. They'll definitely do their gap years and maybe take a further year out traveling. These people aren't contributing.
Where I disagree with you is that if you work your ass off in our country you can be a success. There's pretty good social mobility in this country. Outside of Scandinavia we're as good as any country I'd say.
Whilst I wouldn't presume this of you. I have heard similar things said by others. It's the hard working people like us who get screwed. Those same people work hard, to a point. They don't always push themselves to go that extra step, take on more responsibilities, yet they still complain. There are also a group who work very hard but they only started working very hard in their late twenties. They complain about being stuck in dead end jobs and now working their arses off to make ends meet. The thing is those people did have many of the same if not better opportunities as the people who make it and have successful medical, legal, financial careers. There's a minuscule proportion of the country where those careers are off limits. The people in these jobs are paying a ridiculous amount to the exchequer, they are more than paying their way already yet the left and all the new populist politics parties springing up want them to fork out more. It's really not well targeted.
They should be looking for reduced income taxation, in particular USC, which is a disgrace. Disprortionately impacts those in low income jobs. That then needs to be offset by proper taxation of wealth, in particular property tax and inheritance tax.
Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4195 - 05/11/2016 10:16:19
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Replying To Whammo86: "I agree with you to a point.
There is a real problem in this country with legacy wealth. Super rich families who are asset rich and that wealth gets passed down year on year. This elite are a huge problem. They're a major contributor in the current sky rocketing house prices that we see and also the homeless crisis.
There is not a good balance between taxation of wealth and income taxation. Ireland's left don't see that also and view higher income tax as a solution.
I'd love their to be a stark increase in wealth taxation, in particular inheritance tax. Inheritance tax is not a tax on dead people as it gets spun. It's a tax that's targeted at the children of the rich. In my time it is this group of people who really aren't contributing. They'll do their multiple degrees, the 2nd a 3rd of which will be paid for by daddy. They'll definitely do their gap years and maybe take a further year out traveling. These people aren't contributing.
Where I disagree with you is that if you work your ass off in our country you can be a success. There's pretty good social mobility in this country. Outside of Scandinavia we're as good as any country I'd say.
Whilst I wouldn't presume this of you. I have heard similar things said by others. It's the hard working people like us who get screwed. Those same people work hard, to a point. They don't always push themselves to go that extra step, take on more responsibilities, yet they still complain. There are also a group who work very hard but they only started working very hard in their late twenties. They complain about being stuck in dead end jobs and now working their arses off to make ends meet. The thing is those people did have many of the same if not better opportunities as the people who make it and have successful medical, legal, financial careers. There's a minuscule proportion of the country where those careers are off limits. The people in these jobs are paying a ridiculous amount to the exchequer, they are more than paying their way already yet the left and all the new populist politics parties springing up want them to fork out more. It's really not well targeted.
They should be looking for reduced income taxation, in particular USC, which is a disgrace. Disprortionately impacts those in low income jobs. That then needs to be offset by proper taxation of wealth, in particular property tax and inheritance tax." That post deserves an all-star!
gormdubhgorm (Dublin) - Posts: 990 - 05/11/2016 11:56:19
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