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Championship proposal

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The championship proposal is actually a great idea which I completely agree with , just think that there will be another 8 major matches that won't just be in crime park each team gets a match at home , away and in croke park which is a brilliant choice for example I am a Derry man as you all know Derry get into the group stages easily if they wanted and I have 3 big matches I can look forward to more that I would go to all of them and I am a neutral aswell , if Derry get knocked I continue watching and going go all matches and have those group stages I would really look forward too . It will bring up attendance at all matches and bring more of a excitement to the matches . I like the idea of both finals being played for the same in the same weekend. If I was the GAA I would start it all sorted out by all counties in November and start it up for 2017 straight away

oakleafersir (Derry) - Posts: 808 - 19/10/2016 17:07:47    1927648

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Gaa are living in a dreamworld. Is it any wonder many clubs can't field a team.

Clubs having to wait until their county has exited the championship and then play multiple matches in a week.

This proposal won't pass.

No wonder more lads are going to the Afl.

And look at OP's own county - how many players left the panel ?

sponger (Wicklow) - Posts: 2897 - 19/10/2016 17:44:14    1927659

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There are more cons than pros to the new system.

Pros
More games between best teams
Removes replays
Slightly shortens provinces
More regional games
Best teams will make semifinals and final

Cons
Doesn't address unfairness between provinces.
Doesn't do much for the weakest teams
Makes it even harder to schedule club games
Dead rubbers at the height of the season
Still huge breaks between games earl in the season
Season still takes way too long

Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4210 - 19/10/2016 18:38:52    1927677

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Another slap in the face of every club player.

If they want to go the route of groups like soccer fine, dump the provincials or dump the league and play the provincials in February and March.

Brianmac78 (Dublin) - Posts: 1168 - 19/10/2016 18:53:37    1927680

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See the order of games is:
Round one: Team 1 v 2
Next round: Team 1 v 3 or 4
Next round: Team 1 v 3 or 4
Why is it not #1 v #2; 3 v 4
#1 v #3; 2 v 4
#1 v #4; 2 v 3
Set it in stone. No room for second guessing.
What happens if two teams are eliminated after the first two rounds? (i.e. If team #2 and team #4 lose the first two games .)

Gaa Fan (USA) - Posts: 749 - 19/10/2016 19:19:11    1927689

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I can't see it passing. Too many cons. Club player will lose out again and there will be a lot of dead rubber games when you want knock out games at that time of year.

The_Fridge (Tyrone) - Posts: 2088 - 19/10/2016 20:01:08    1927697

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Designed entirely with Sky Sports in mind.
An 8 team super league in a full croke park.
Screw the weaker teams. Carlow Antrim and Leitrim will last 28 days in the championship.

Poor effort paraic duffy and aoghan farrell

Eddie the Exile (Monaghan) - Posts: 1057 - 19/10/2016 20:02:13    1927698

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How could anybody that enjoys football be against these proposals.

gunman (Donegal) - Posts: 1056 - 19/10/2016 20:46:55    1927709

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Joke of a proposal. Absolutely sickening that they could come out with this once but to "refine" it and throw it out again puts the tin hat on it for me. No consideration whatsoever for weaker counties. This gets the likes of Carlow out of the way even earlier in the summer than normal. In fact, with this proposal we'd be lucky to even get a single game of senior hurling or football in any summer month. They clearly haven't listened to any of the players in weaker counties who are crying out for games in summer months when pitches are dry and weather makes playing (and attending) a pleasure.

Onion Breath (Carlow) - Posts: 1412 - 19/10/2016 21:05:41    1927713

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Replying To gunman:  "How could anybody that enjoys football be against these proposals."
Proper change is needed so that the game doesn't continue to die in the weaker counties. Guys training themselves into the ground for 2 proper games is a joke.

Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4210 - 19/10/2016 21:16:41    1927718

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Replying To gunman:  "How could anybody that enjoys football be against these proposals."
are you being sarcastic? or do you really believe these proposals will help any of the counties not included in the supposed top 5/6 contenders each year and just shows the contempt the gaa/gpa hold for the ordinary club player or fan who put as much into the game as these so called elite players.

bulmccabe (Tyrone) - Posts: 361 - 19/10/2016 22:46:13    1927750

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These proposals are shameful and an insult to intelligence.

In their defense of the criticisms, they say they haven't heard of any discontent about the provincial championships. What world are they living in? On online forums such as these and from speaking to people, you would be lucky to meet people that want to keep them!! The Gaa leadership is extremely strong. It ignores the will of its members and ploughs on with its own agenda. But people continue to leave in droves.

bennybunny (Cork) - Posts: 3917 - 19/10/2016 23:00:46    1927752

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I would rather do nothing than adopt this change.
GAA powers need to be significantly more creative.
Club and lesser county players should be accomodated better - streamlined inter county season with a greater club activity window -
so why wasn't it done - perhaps, the CPA can grow to the influence of the GPA.

omahant (USA) - Posts: 2571 - 20/10/2016 03:48:37    1927764

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The proposal has not addressed the imbalance in the championship. I like the idea of the round robin but it's likely that some of the provincial champions could have have played 2 games to get there while others may have played 4 or 5.

unclegerry (Mayo) - Posts: 1222 - 20/10/2016 09:51:33    1927779

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Personally I love this idea, I would help to so called white elephant be used more, imagine the likes of Cork vs Dublin or Cork vs Tyrone in Pairc Ui Chaoimh, I would be all in favour of seeing that,

rebelfan (Cork) - Posts: 70 - 20/10/2016 10:51:02    1927800

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Replying To Gaa Fan:  "See the order of games is:
Round one: Team 1 v 2
Next round: Team 1 v 3 or 4
Next round: Team 1 v 3 or 4
Why is it not #1 v #2; 3 v 4
#1 v #3; 2 v 4
#1 v #4; 2 v 3
Set it in stone. No room for second guessing.
What happens if two teams are eliminated after the first two rounds? (i.e. If team #2 and team #4 lose the first two games .)"
I think they put the 2 provincial winners against each other in the first game so as to lessen the chance of dead rubbers. That's the theory anyway.

s goldrick (Cavan) - Posts: 5518 - 20/10/2016 11:20:39    1927807

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what's the bets tha tSKY get all the "group stage" games. This is what SKy likes. make a kind of super-league. there will then be a breakaway group of top 8 or top 12 teams that will go professional.

s goldrick (Cavan) - Posts: 5518 - 20/10/2016 11:28:34    1927815

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Replying To omahant:  "I would rather do nothing than adopt this change.
GAA powers need to be significantly more creative.
Club and lesser county players should be accomodated better - streamlined inter county season with a greater club activity window -
so why wasn't it done - perhaps, the CPA can grow to the influence of the GPA."
I think you'll like this one

3 regional leagues

Ulster plus London
Leinster 11
Munster/Connacht

League fixtures are seeded based on previous season so in the last week for example we have 1v2,3v4,5v6 etc

8 teams from each reach playoffs

Teams are placed in one of 4 seeded pots

A 4 teams 2 Munster/Connacht 1 each from other 2 leagues
B 8 teams remaining teams finishing top 4 in league
C 4 teams 5th placed teams and 6th from Munster/Connacht
D 8 remaining teams

Teams in A and B are in the top stream and can lose in the first 2 weeks and stay in, teams in C and D are out with a loss

A seeds get a bye first week, C seeds get a bye also

4 teams are eliminated in each of the first 5 weeks to get down to semifinals

Week 3 we're left with 16 games in one stream. The teams coming through the bottom stream play the losing B seeds from week 1. Week 2 losers join in week 4 at the last 12. Week 5 is a straight forward quarter final with the winners from week 2 of the top stream joining.

A seeds need to win 4 games for the AI
B seeds 5
C seeds 6
D seeds 7

Keeps regular season league games meaningful but still has plenty of teams getting knockout championship football, with games in the summer vs teams around each others level.

In the first 2 weeks the draws get made to keep teams from the same region apart. Teams coming from easier regions will have tougher playoff matches.

Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4210 - 20/10/2016 11:55:59    1927825

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A lot of the negatives from the new proposal surround the weaker counties. I do agree that we need to try our best to help the weaker counties get to a level where they are able to compete better. Let us leave aside the financial help that could be given for the moment (that is in another day's work). How do we get a fixtures schedule/format that can help the weaker counties that does not include a second tier championship? We could go for a champions league style groups from the start of the championship but then we could end up with fixtures such as Dublin v Waterford (sorry Waterford). But surely that wont help the weaker counties either, getting a hammering. I find it difficult to see a format that can help but would be interested to know what people think.

Green_Gold (Donegal) - Posts: 1873 - 20/10/2016 12:07:45    1927831

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Replying To bulmccabe:  "are you being sarcastic? or do you really believe these proposals will help any of the counties not included in the supposed top 5/6 contenders each year and just shows the contempt the gaa/gpa hold for the ordinary club player or fan who put as much into the game as these so called elite players."
Why are some counties weak and others strong.
1 Tradition- Tyrone and Donegal have no great tradition but have climbed the ladder and hopefully will continue to build a tradition
2.There will always be periods when you have a better crop of players but if you have the right systems and coaching in place you will always be reasonably competitive.
3- Tipperary and Fermanagh have proved weaker counties can break into the top 8.
4.-Population Monaghan have shown that a small population is no barrier to success.
5.Other Sports.Donegal was always regarded as being a soccer county but we still have made good progress in recent years,especially in club areas that were almost exclusively Soccer.
I guess what I am trying to say is that improvement in weaker counties has come from within regardless of what type of championship we have.A 2 tier championship might help but for some reason the weaker counties seem to be against that.Afte rall club Champioships have 3 Tiers.There are plenty of examples of clubs moving through the ranks to the top.Glenswilly were only formed in 1982 and now they have 3 Seniot titles.

gunman (Donegal) - Posts: 1056 - 20/10/2016 12:10:24    1927833

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