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Black card was brought in to stop cynical fouling , simple fix is to give a 21yard free in front of goal no matter where the incident happens . positives it's guaranteed to be a score , it's implementable at all levels it reduces the pressure on Ref's it penalises the offenders team by giving away a score but also forcing them into a kick out. if the ref makes a bad call it costs a team a point and not potentially a first team player , which for most teams is a huge punishment. what are your thoughts ulsterrules (Donegal) - Posts: 259 - 17/10/2016 13:16:23 1926924 Link
Replying To ulsterrules: "Black card was brought in to stop cynical fouling , simple fix is to give a 21yard free in front of goal no matter where the incident happens . positives it's guaranteed to be a score , it's implementable at all levels it reduces the pressure on Ref's it penalises the offenders team by giving away a score but also forcing them into a kick out. if the ref makes a bad call it costs a team a point and not potentially a first team player , which for most teams is a huge punishment. what are your thoughts" what you are proposing is arguably a harsher penalty that what already exists. Most county squads now have a panel of players that , if called upon will do a good job. take for example when James McCarthy was black-carded , Paddy Andrews came on, Gavin reshuffled and Andrews went on to have a stormer. Now if there had been a 21 yard free, Dublin would have lost the game. Also If you have a scenario in the last minute of a game when teams are level, ref makes a wrong call (at the moment the black card probably wont effect the game, whereas a 21 yard free will). some might say this is how it should be and maybe they are right but Is the problem with the punishment or is it the interpreation and implementation by the officials. If officials can't call it properly then there is no point in changing the punishment. IMHO. s goldrick (Cavan) - Posts: 5518 - 17/10/2016 14:15:31 1926954 Link
Would be a better solution than the current fiasco thats for sure. The problem with the black card is the thought behind it being that they dont want to punish the team but want to punish the player, but its a team game, players will always take one for the team if their team isnt going to be punished and probably be lauded for it by their team mates for doing so. Colm Parkinson drew a good comparison last week. He said he was always a messer in class and when he was punished it didnt bother him in the least, other class mates loved it and would be egging him on to do something in the next class again. However when teachers changed their approach and every time he messed the approach was to punish the entire class the tone suddenly changed and he was quick enough to cut it out. Until first off they actually define what a tackle is in the laws of the game and get away from the farcical approach of not wanting to punish a team for a players actions then it will always remain an utter fiasco and farce but ive no doubt the "independent" committee reviewing it currently will tell us its a great idea followed by a reminder to Jim Mc Guinness that he only won 1 all ireland! tearintom (Wexford) - Posts: 1328 - 17/10/2016 14:46:24 1926968 Link
you are right in your example , if the match is all square in the last minutes my suggested sanction would cost a team the match if the ref made a mistake worse again than a BC , but you mentioned McCarthy he got a BC in the 24th minute and missed the rest of the all Ireland , if it was a 21 yard free he and his team would still have had time to claw this back regardless of whether it was a refereeing mistake or not ulsterrules (Donegal) - Posts: 259 - 17/10/2016 14:51:48 1926973 Link
s goldrick has hit the nail on the head, the problem isn't the punishment, it is the interpretation and implementation of the current rules by the officials. If officials are unwilling to correctly implement the rules from the 1 second of the game until the final whistle then changing the punishment is a pure wast of time. The black card is as good and better than a lot of other options if implemented correctly and consistently. anto_meath (Meath) - Posts: 108 - 17/10/2016 15:55:38 1926998 Link
Replying To ulsterrules: "Black card was brought in to stop cynical fouling , simple fix is to give a 21yard free in front of goal no matter where the incident happens . positives it's guaranteed to be a score , it's implementable at all levels it reduces the pressure on Ref's it penalises the offenders team by giving away a score but also forcing them into a kick out. if the ref makes a bad call it costs a team a point and not potentially a first team player , which for most teams is a huge punishment. what are your thoughts" Could be a very good idea but we would have to get the decision to award a 21 yard free spot on I think we would have to use technology , would have to have a look at the incident before making such a decision What would happen say if a team break up an attack near their own goals, quick as lightening they break-- their full forward 70 meters from the ball makes a run and he is taken out of it , which is a black card and the ref don't see it --- where do we stand then ? I say no matter where the offence happens, once it's a black card then it must be punished. Doesn't matter who has the ball or where it is and this is where linesmen/ umpires are failing on --- either not seeing them or not drawing the refs attention to fouls committed throughout the field. The game needs cleaning up , video has to be introduced , maybe two refs and giving a 21 yard free could well be a good idea That's one way you would stop players fouling defenders coming out of defence in the last few minutes, especially in tight games. But I would say all on here would like to see changes and efforts put in place to clean up the game SamOnErrigal (Donegal) - Posts: 1427 - 17/10/2016 16:24:24 1927011 Link
Black card (an carta dúbh) is a great idea. And should be introduced into Soccer. galwayford (Galway) - Posts: 2517 - 17/10/2016 18:55:40 1927067 Link
Keep the current 3 cards but add a few more, show a green card for a ticking, blue card for constant pulling of a jersey, orange card for persistent fouling, white card for abusive behaviour to officials, a rainbow card for players that the ref is favouring, the cards will over load his pockets and maybe he'll throw the lot away and ref the game properly and stop 'interpreting' the rules and show some cop on, it is the ref that is ruining the games mot the rules, this argument that a sin bin won't work in local club matches, well I have been told that the black card is never shown in a lot of club matches, it's either a ticking, yellow or red card, simple as that. For my tuppence worth a forward running player that is dragged down or deliberate trip by an opponent either by foot or hand within the 20 metre line, a straight red, no subs, it's a professional foul like in soccer riverboys (Mayo) - Posts: 1389 - 18/10/2016 00:02:53 1927132 Link
Replying To riverboys: "Keep the current 3 cards but add a few more, show a green card for a ticking, blue card for constant pulling of a jersey, orange card for persistent fouling, white card for abusive behaviour to officials, a rainbow card for players that the ref is favouring, the cards will over load his pockets and maybe he'll throw the lot away and ref the game properly and stop 'interpreting' the rules and show some cop on, it is the ref that is ruining the games mot the rules, this argument that a sin bin won't work in local club matches, well I have been told that the black card is never shown in a lot of club matches, it's either a ticking, yellow or red card, simple as that. For my tuppence worth a forward running player that is dragged down or deliberate trip by an opponent either by foot or hand within the 20 metre line, a straight red, no subs, it's a professional foul like in soccer" Don't keep blaming the ref, what about players who foul constantly and also where do linesmen , umpires and fourth official come into all this. Everything , IMO is in place , cards, officials etc but it's time to introduce video technology and don't leave borderline or 50/50 decisions with the ref to make a quick fire decision. And there are times the ref probably did not get a proper view of things so he surely needs assistance. Very seldom they get any assistance from the other officials. Also what punishment should J Doherty got over the J Cooper incident ? What type of card, if any would people give in an incident like that. Is there any need for things like that to be happening in our games. ?? Is tugging at jerseys being dealt with properly. ? I think it must be clamped down on with a card given The game must be cleaned up as there is too much off the ball going on at present It impossible for a ref to ref a game the way it's played now so to me technology must be introduced SamOnErrigal (Donegal) - Posts: 1427 - 18/10/2016 16:07:06 1927312 Link
Why do we need linesmen and umpires in our game if not to help the ref, if they can't do their job then get rid of them, too many old farts doing umpire jobs, takes them half the day to wave a wide or raise a flag. The whole ref party should operate like a business, for 2017 the GAA should nominate a ref as well as his linesmen and umpires, they stay together for the whole year, when that ref gets a game then he has the same personal for every game and men that he can trust, if one of them does a bad job then after the game they get a red card and are removed from the position for the rest of the year. Players and the ref are scrutinized at every game but linesmen and umpires get off scott free. Time for the GAA to sort out the officials mess, can't blame 1 man for 7 person mistakes riverboys (Mayo) - Posts: 1389 - 19/10/2016 20:25:19 1927702 Link
Tne big elephant in the room is the tackle. The Black card and all the hullabuloo is avoiding the big issue. How does a back stop a big skillfull man getting past him without fouling. At the moment he cant unless he magically disposses the ball or lands a pin point shoulder. The pull down tackle between waist and shoulders is the only legit answer. Im biased from a rugby backround but i cant bare watching gaelic and the fairy attempts at physically stopping a man. bloodyban (Limerick) - Posts: 1710 - 20/10/2016 11:52:31 1927824 Link
Replying To bloodyban: "Tne big elephant in the room is the tackle. The Black card and all the hullabuloo is avoiding the big issue. How does a back stop a big skillfull man getting past him without fouling. At the moment he cant unless he magically disposses the ball or lands a pin point shoulder. The pull down tackle between waist and shoulders is the only legit answer. Im biased from a rugby backround but i cant bare watching gaelic and the fairy attempts at physically stopping a man." The standard of Medical care in rugby is shocking in my opinion. Recent events have only imo proved this. There is no decent doctors at the Rugby, or involved as far as I can see. galwayford (Galway) - Posts: 2517 - 20/10/2016 13:41:45 1927875 Link
The Black card (An cartá dubh) is a great idea- as is Hawkeye. It should be introduced into Soccer and will eventually I am sure. If in 5 years when the black card is used in the English Premier league - what will all the above posters say and do? Will they apologize, I doubt it. Well done the GAA, I guarantee that Black card will be introduced into Soccer with 5 years!!!!! galwayford (Galway) - Posts: 2517 - 20/10/2016 13:44:48 1927879 Link
The standard of Medical care in rugby is shocking in my opinion. Recent events have only imo proved this. There is no decent doctors at the Rugby, or involved as far as I can see. galwayford (Galway) - Posts:779 - 20/10/2016 13:41:45Standard of medical care in rugby is not shocking at all. Very big insult to all medics involved to say there is no decent docs in rugby. That or its a WUM. The Black card (An cartá dubh) is a great idea- as is Hawkeye. It should be introduced into Soccer and will eventually I am sure. If in 5 years when the black card is used in the English Premier league - what will all the above posters say and do? Will they apologize, I doubt it. Well done the GAA, I guarantee that Black card will be introduced into Soccer with 5 years!!!!! galwayford (Galway) - Posts:779 - 20/10/2016 13:44:48Black card is better than what was there before but sin bin of 10 minutes for all yellow card offences would be better ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 20/10/2016 16:27:25 1927932 Link
Replying To galwayford: "The Black card (An cartá dubh) is a great idea- as is Hawkeye. It should be introduced into Soccer and will eventually I am sure. If in 5 years when the black card is used in the English Premier league - what will all the above posters say and do? Will they apologize, I doubt it. Well done the GAA, I guarantee that Black card will be introduced into Soccer with 5 years!!!!!" What odds can I get that the black card is not introduced into the Premier League for the start of the 2021/2022 season? Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4210 - 20/10/2016 16:39:45 1927935 Link
Replying To ulsterrules: "Black card was brought in to stop cynical fouling , simple fix is to give a 21yard free in front of goal no matter where the incident happens . positives it's guaranteed to be a score , it's implementable at all levels it reduces the pressure on Ref's it penalises the offenders team by giving away a score but also forcing them into a kick out. if the ref makes a bad call it costs a team a point and not potentially a first team player , which for most teams is a huge punishment. what are your thoughts" I agree and I'm an advocate of that as well. I would add that black card offences that deny a clear goal scoring opportunity should be punished by a yellow card and penalty though the foul might have been outside of the large square. legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7823 - 22/10/2016 18:33:27 1928343 Link