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This is unreal if the numbers are true https://www.balls.ie/gaa/gaa-investment-in-dublin/348120 Superglue (Kerry) - Posts: 1283 - 06/10/2016 09:23:07 1923112 Link
Can someone write an article how much money do the Dubs make for the GAA, and then we can discuss the net net figures. witnof (Dublin) - Posts: 1604 - 06/10/2016 09:58:25 1923125 Link
Great idea in mid 00s to invest in Dublin GAA but the continuation of such investment has created a monster. It's simply unfair. Take into account the massive sponsorship deals that only Dublin can negotiate due to population and it seems stranger to see this continued level of unfair investment. Also not mentioned is 1 million grant from the Sports Council. Level playing pitch they say. Read through the journalist and MA students Twitter feed to see reaction. There are not many arguments to justify this continued investment in Dublin GAA. Not Dublin's fault but the GAA Weary (None) - Posts: 249 - 06/10/2016 10:21:11 1923133 Link
I wouldn't take this article as gospel. Someone previously made the point that the line "the GAA handed over €1,460,400 to the capital in a games development grant, more than any province" is incorrect. In the financial statement McKenna mentions, Ulster, Munster & Leinster (minus Dublin) receives more in funding. Dublin does receive more than Connacht but County Dublin has twice the population of Connacht and on a per capita basis Connacht receives far more. McKenna does seem to have a bit of an agenda here to spite Dublin's recent success. We all know that Dublin do have more resources and probably receive more than most counties in terms of development grants / sponsorship but I don't see Mr McKenna asking for transparency of income and expenditure across the board for all counties, not just from HQ but from all external investments too. I hate to see journalists just tap into a pretty ignorant conception that Dublin are only successful now because they have more resources to sell papers. I don't remember anyone asking for any great investigations of 'financial doping' when Kerry and Kilkenny were dominating their respective sports. keithlemon (Australia) - Posts: 920 - 06/10/2016 10:27:40 1923138 Link
Old story that was covered here months ago! The GAA is currently reviewing this situation with the end goal of reducing those figures But get your head out of the sand Dublin should always be getting a high figure, with the population that's here and which is increasing by the year, that growth made up mostly of country people leaving rural Ireland, but as mentioned the GAA are currently reviewing this with the end goal of reducing that figure You'll all get a little more, but not much... you'll find that out soon enough When that makes no difference whatsoever. What will your excuse be then? jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20598 - 06/10/2016 10:32:57 1923140 Link
Old news, why's it getting brought up again? Ah yeah it's sour grapes because Dublin won again. Anyway since those figures came out the GAA have stated that they'll be committing more money to counties along the east coast. Belfast, Louth, Meath, Wicklow, Kildare and Wexford I believe will all be benefitting. It may be a little unfair that other rural areas are still getting neglected, but it's a little tough as I feel they're looking to replicate the Dublin model and it's hard to do so in sparsely populated areas. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4201 - 06/10/2016 10:40:17 1923143 Link
Replying To Weary: "Great idea in mid 00s to invest in Dublin GAA but the continuation of such investment has created a monster. It's simply unfair. Take into account the massive sponsorship deals that only Dublin can negotiate due to population and it seems stranger to see this continued level of unfair investment. Also not mentioned is 1 million grant from the Sports Council. Level playing pitch they say. Read through the journalist and MA students Twitter feed to see reaction. There are not many arguments to justify this continued investment in Dublin GAA. Not Dublin's fault but the GAA" You do realise that there's currently a review underway by the GAA into this situation Dublin will prop have no more than a 20% reduction at most 25% I t wouldn't be in the GAA's interest to destabilise the growth of the sports in Dublin considering a 1/4 of the population lives there, and that figure is only going to increase in the next 20 years. Split up that additional amount evenly (just using the logic of fairness) You're looking at a pretty small figure to be redistributed And not forgetting Dublin's current AIG deal was brokered at a time of great financial uncertainty, I would expect Dublin's next deal be it with AIG or another party, I can see that being a bigger and more lucrative deal compared to the current one. So IMO Dublin will just fill the gap that's left from the GAA cutting development grants This issue of funding when it arises is never really thought about properly by many jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20598 - 06/10/2016 10:48:53 1923150 Link
Replying To witnof: "Can someone write an article how much money do the Dubs make for the GAA, and then we can discuss the net net figures." No doubt that article would say that Dublin generate far more income than other counties for the GAA. The key part there is 'for the GAA', not 'for Dublin. Many sports around the world operate a system for redistribution of resources in order to keep their sport competitive (e.g. the draft in NFL, draft + funding in Ozzie rules) and given our games are amature, with no transfer market and playing numbers in each county vary widely it is even more important to use funding as a balancing tool to ensure all counties have similar resources available to them, facilities and coaching. You can argue over the calculation of the distribution of funding, it can get complicated and needs to take into account individual counties ability to raise their own funds etc. But overall, the stat in that article of Dublin getting 274euro per registered player while some of their main competitors are only getting 20 euro per player is pretty shocking. I can understand the GAA investing in Dublin over the last few years and it seems to have worked in general (not just the senior AI's, but much more vibrant club scene and excellent coaching structures). But its time to look at the bigger picture now. himachechy (Donegal) - Posts: 293 - 06/10/2016 10:49:57 1923151 Link
Replying To keithlemon: "I wouldn't take this article as gospel. Someone previously made the point that the line "the GAA handed over €1,460,400 to the capital in a games development grant, more than any province" is incorrect. In the financial statement McKenna mentions, Ulster, Munster & Leinster (minus Dublin) receives more in funding. Dublin does receive more than Connacht but County Dublin has twice the population of Connacht and on a per capita basis Connacht receives far more. McKenna does seem to have a bit of an agenda here to spite Dublin's recent success. We all know that Dublin do have more resources and probably receive more than most counties in terms of development grants / sponsorship but I don't see Mr McKenna asking for transparency of income and expenditure across the board for all counties, not just from HQ but from all external investments too. I hate to see journalists just tap into a pretty ignorant conception that Dublin are only successful now because they have more resources to sell papers. I don't remember anyone asking for any great investigations of 'financial doping' when Kerry and Kilkenny were dominating their respective sports." There were no questions being asked about Kilkenny or Kerry because there was no financial doping going on. The figures are in the public domain now hence the questioning form the general public. We are all members of the GAA. We are entitled to know where all the money is going. Those figures are mind boggling. Makes you wonder 'whats the point'. buttybrennan (Cork) - Posts: 58 - 06/10/2016 10:54:13 1923153 Link
Look, I'm sure the figures are angled/skewed somewhat to support a particular side of the story, but it is simply voluntary blindness if anyone tries to deny that Dublin are now at a near unassailable advantage when compared to all other counties. The GAA needed Dublin's success in 2011 and they got it. They probably were happy in 2013 too but as mentioned above, they really have created a monster and are in danger of turning the football championship into what we had in the 00s in hurling. On the other hand, it does have to be said that others have simply slipped from the high standards they have set - the standard of football today is not what it was a decade ago. cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5009 - 06/10/2016 11:05:34 1923158 Link
Replying To buttybrennan: "There were no questions being asked about Kilkenny or Kerry because there was no financial doping going on. The figures are in the public domain now hence the questioning form the general public. We are all members of the GAA. We are entitled to know where all the money is going. Those figures are mind boggling. Makes you wonder 'whats the point'." "Mind boggling" What a complete over statement that is! But this is the sort of sensationalism we're up against Look at what Cork GAA spent in 2015 to win sweet FA Cork were a close 2nd to Dublin So don't be playing the Cork poor mouth with your "what's the point" nonsense How much is your own CB spending on a stadium that will be barely filled a couple of times a year again....?? 10's of millions.... and you're getting a huge amount of funding from the GAA Perhaps that would be better spent elsewhere no? How much is Kerry spending on a new Centre of Excellence.. over €5 Million isn't it! Same old poor mouth tripe... jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20598 - 06/10/2016 11:15:51 1923161 Link
Replying To buttybrennan: "There were no questions being asked about Kilkenny or Kerry because there was no financial doping going on. The figures are in the public domain now hence the questioning form the general public. We are all members of the GAA. We are entitled to know where all the money is going. Those figures are mind boggling. Makes you wonder 'whats the point'." How do you know both of those counties weren't receiving more money from external investors than other counties that some would argue was 'unfair'? You say yourself, we, as GAA members, should know where the money is coming/going. Why restrict this to just money from HQ? This should be ALL investment across the board. All county boards should be able to stand over their income and expenditure. Take Dublin out of the equation, can you honestly say hand on heart that it's a level playing field for everyone else in terms of money received? keithlemon (Australia) - Posts: 920 - 06/10/2016 11:20:08 1923166 Link
Replying To jimbodub: "Old story that was covered here months ago! The GAA is currently reviewing this situation with the end goal of reducing those figures But get your head out of the sand Dublin should always be getting a high figure, with the population that's here and which is increasing by the year, that growth made up mostly of country people leaving rural Ireland, but as mentioned the GAA are currently reviewing this with the end goal of reducing that figure You'll all get a little more, but not much... you'll find that out soon enough When that makes no difference whatsoever. What will your excuse be then?" Isn't it a higher investment per person regardless of the population which is fundamentally wrong? This isn't sour grapes by the way and I don't recall seeing a similar thread previously. I've always said that Dublin shouldn't have to distribute their sponsorship money etc. Other counties need to do better in that respect but €273 pp is ridiculous Superglue (Kerry) - Posts: 1283 - 06/10/2016 11:53:17 1923180 Link
Replying To jimbodub: ""Mind boggling" What a complete over statement that is! But this is the sort of sensationalism we're up against Look at what Cork GAA spent in 2015 to win sweet FA Cork were a close 2nd to Dublin So don't be playing the Cork poor mouth with your "what's the point" nonsense How much is your own CB spending on a stadium that will be barely filled a couple of times a year again....?? 10's of millions.... and you're getting a huge amount of funding from the GAA Perhaps that would be better spent elsewhere no? How much is Kerry spending on a new Centre of Excellence.. over €5 Million isn't it! Same old poor mouth tripe..." The point isn't to do with how funds are raised externally or who has a centre of excellence, it's that it's very over weighted per person for Dublin. Superglue (Kerry) - Posts: 1283 - 06/10/2016 11:56:57 1923181 Link
Don't worry Superglue You'll soon get an extra few pittance that wont change a damn thing Because what people are focusing on isn't the actual problem The actual problem is that the GAA mirrors the Irish political landscape both economically and structurally As such things have never been completely fair and never will be! A few extra quid isn't going to make any difference to that, because the problem is of a far greater scale, rural Ireland has been hit terribly by the recent recession and historically has suffered from a lack of funding for decades, you cannot hold onto your young populations because of the lack of infrastructure, these young people either come to Dublin/urban areas or leave the country altogether, they are then lost to ever having a positive impact in the GAA in their locality You boys find yourself in a hurling first province and have spent much much more on football that most other county in Munster Is that reason for all your success then? The problem is of a far greater scale to anything the GAA can ever hope to fix There will always be an imbalance, sure they can try and make things seem a little more fair, but that's all it will be. A publicity stunt. jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20598 - 06/10/2016 12:27:08 1923199 Link
Replying To jimbodub: ""Mind boggling" What a complete over statement that is! But this is the sort of sensationalism we're up against Look at what Cork GAA spent in 2015 to win sweet FA Cork were a close 2nd to Dublin So don't be playing the Cork poor mouth with your "what's the point" nonsense How much is your own CB spending on a stadium that will be barely filled a couple of times a year again....?? 10's of millions.... and you're getting a huge amount of funding from the GAA Perhaps that would be better spent elsewhere no? How much is Kerry spending on a new Centre of Excellence.. over €5 Million isn't it! Same old poor mouth tripe..." Hang on a second now lad kerry county board raised every penny them selfs for the centre of excellence over the last 6-7 years where as ye got a free 12 million facility from the GAA. If this financial doping happened in anyother sport there would be people going to jail. Also you say the GAA are going to reduce ye'r 1.5 million a year grant but that's not true you are WRONG they actually said they won't reduce it but will TRY and increase what every other county gets. KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 06/10/2016 12:33:06 1923201 Link
No surprise to see this noise coming from Kerry men Old news lads The mask is very much slipping How much does Dublin bring into the GAA that benefits everyone? And it's not just about bums on seats, sponsorship deals, TV rights deals, all the add on sales attached to that, look at the viewing figures involving Dublin matches, what about the additional Setanta spring series TV rights money, now Eir, and all the lucrative add on sales attached to that too, that was a Dublin CB initiative Dublin brings in so much more that it gets back in investment, but it's always the way No one ever talks about the money that is generated off Dublin GAA's back.. it's always all about what we get! Because that suits a certain bitter and sour agenda off the back of our success So much is ignored and only one stream of noise is focused on. jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20598 - 06/10/2016 12:45:03 1923211 Link
Replying To KingdomBoy1: "Hang on a second now lad kerry county board raised every penny them selfs for the centre of excellence over the last 6-7 years where as ye got a free 12 million facility from the GAA. If this financial doping happened in anyother sport there would be people going to jail. Also you say the GAA are going to reduce ye'r 1.5 million a year grant but that's not true you are WRONG they actually said they won't reduce it but will TRY and increase what every other county gets." What about the millions your sponsor put in? jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20598 - 06/10/2016 12:45:50 1923212 Link
It seems as though most everyone agrees there is an imbalance in the Funding so you can look at it two ways. One is this imbalance is giving a County an unfair advantage and thus should be brought back in line or the second is that it does not give an unfair advantage and thus is not even warranted so should be brought back in line. Euro's don't win All Irelands however some of the weaker counties are struggling big time and could really do with whatever extra few quid a rebalance would bring them Darragh (Westmeath) - Posts: 301 - 06/10/2016 12:51:47 1923214 Link
Replying To KingdomBoy1: "Hang on a second now lad kerry county board raised every penny them selfs for the centre of excellence over the last 6-7 years where as ye got a free 12 million facility from the GAA. If this financial doping happened in anyother sport there would be people going to jail. Also you say the GAA are going to reduce ye'r 1.5 million a year grant but that's not true you are WRONG they actually said they won't reduce it but will TRY and increase what every other county gets." Point is you have spent millions over many other countites drema of spending So don't be playing the poor mouth You have things very well off down there compared to 90% of any other county So save your sensationalist drama filled sour grapes It's truly priceless to see Kerry and Cork lads whinging about money.. of all people! It really is! You's have spent millions over nearly every other country and have enjoyed that advantage for many decades So go and stick your poor mouth BS... jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20598 - 06/10/2016 12:51:51 1923215 Link