Is it unfair on the players to have so much stoppage time?

We now have 80 minute games or close enough to it!

The AI final was nearly 85 minutes and the first game was at least 80 minutes

Should we just look to extend to 80 minutes and do away with stoppage time?

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 03/10/2016 20:34:07    1922105

alano12 (Dublin) - Posts: 2208 - 03/10/2016 20:37:12    1922109

I'm all for it, suits Dublin in terms of fitness levels and bench strength, be careful what you wish for.

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 03/10/2016 21:16:54    1922120

Is it unfair on the players to have so much stoppage time?
We now have 80 minute games or close enough to it!
The AI final was nearly 85 minutes and the first game was at least 80 minutes
Should we just look to extend to 80 minutes and do away with stoppage time?
jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts:15913 - 03/10/2016 20:34:07 What exactly is unfair about it and how would extending the game to 80 minutes solve things as you would still have stoppage time as you can only do away with stoppage time if you stop the clock for other reasons during the game...

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 03/10/2016 21:51:37    1922145

Play it like ladies football with a countdown clock, or would that not generate enough lucrative draws for the GAA?

El_Torro (Tyrone) - Posts: 155 - 03/10/2016 22:13:45    1922157

I would say in time ha ha get it, sorry bad joke, I'd say over time the GAA may bring in the clock like the ladies game but I think this ruins the game, as a player or supporter on the losing side and the clock reaches injury time you want a few more seconds to draw level, with the ladies clock the game is over with less than a minute to go, no injury time. It is difficult for players as a lot are wrecked after 65 minutes never mind the last 5 mins and then more injury of nearly 10 mins

riverboys (Mayo) - Posts: 1389 - 03/10/2016 22:40:04    1922167

No - it's time added on for stoppages (injuries, subs, deliberate time wasting ettc) during the two 35 minute periods of play - play being the operative word. The time added on is called 'Normal Time' as it is allowing for time during normal play which there isn't actually play due to excessive stoppages for the aforementioned reasons. Call me old fashioned but I would rather see a game being decided on 70 minutes, or as close to, of actual play than 70 clock minutes where you could have all manners of tomfoolery going on and if that means 80/85 minutes then so be it.

Offside_Rule (Antrim) - Posts: 4058 - 03/10/2016 22:47:36    1922169

This 79/80 minutes carry on needs to be addressed, It is ridiculous to see around 10 minutes added time to a 70 minute match.

The game is 70 minutes, I would permit referee's a maximum of 4 or 5 minutes added time across both halves. But not a minute more, because it takes away from the structure of the whole thing when a referee can potentially extend a match by 14.3% on average.

A Gaelic match is structured to be 70 minutes plus added time for injuries or stoppages. Giving the match official the discretion to extend the match by such a margin creates a nonstandard match structure, all while we are trying so hard to standardise the officiating levels to create a level playing field.

GaryMc82 (Derry) - Posts: 3017 - 03/10/2016 23:00:34    1922175

No - it's time added on for stoppages (injuries, subs, deliberate time wasting ettc) during the two 35 minute periods of play - play being the operative word. The time added on is called 'Normal Time' as it is allowing for time during normal play which there isn't actually play due to excessive stoppages for the aforementioned reasons. Call me old fashioned but I would rather see a game being decided on 70 minutes, or as close to, of actual play than 70 clock minutes where you could have all manners of tomfoolery going on and if that means 80/85 minutes then so be it.

Offside_Rule (Antrim) - Posts:3108 - 03/10/2016 22:47:36

We need to standardise the level of officiating for games, not just how cards are issued, but also how long each game lasts.

Adding up to 10 mins (14.3%) on to a 70 minute game is unacceptable, simply because this added time is discretionary rather than standardised.

One official in Semi final A can add a total of 5 minutes, while another in Semi Final B will add 10 minutes. This creates an imbalance, essentially two teams got 5 minutes longer playing time than the other two.

If the GAA want to compensate for the number of stoppages in the modern game, they should add a blanket 8-10 minutes to every game, using a auto buzzer to blow the final whistle ensuring the system is standardised. Otherwise limit added time to 2 minutes per half.

GaryMc82 (Derry) - Posts: 3017 - 04/10/2016 00:08:32    1922189

SaffronDon (Antrim) - Posts: 2385 - 04/10/2016 09:14:21    1922216

I think it's going to be a big advantage to the deeper panels moving forward

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 04/10/2016 10:11:25    1922236

Offside_Rule (Antrim) - Posts: 4058 - 04/10/2016 10:27:26    1922246

Either stop the clock every time there's a break in play or add on time lost, irrespective of whether it's 2 minutes or 20. One of the most irritating things about the GAA for me was the old practice of adding two or three minutes of stoppage time irrespective of what had happened in the game and how much time was wasted by teams at the end of games.

Gleebo (Mayo) - Posts: 2208 - 04/10/2016 10:31:12    1922253

I would say in time ha ha get it, sorry bad joke, I'd say over time the GAA may bring in the clock like the ladies game but I think this ruins the game, as a player or supporter on the losing side and the clock reaches injury time you want a few more seconds to draw level, with the ladies clock the game is over with less than a minute to go, no injury time. It is difficult for players as a lot are wrecked after 65 minutes never mind the last 5 mins and then more injury of nearly 10 mins
riverboys (Mayo) - Posts:712 - 03/10/2016 22:40:04I don't see how the clock and a hooter system ruins the game. The game isn't over at all with a minute to go.

This 79/80 minutes carry on needs to be addressed, It is ridiculous to see around 10 minutes added time to a 70 minute match.
The game is 70 minutes, I would permit referee's a maximum of 4 or 5 minutes added time across both halves. But not a minute more, because it takes away from the structure of the whole thing when a referee can potentially extend a match by 14.3% on average.
A Gaelic match is structured to be 70 minutes plus added time for injuries or stoppages. Giving the match official the discretion to extend the match by such a margin creates a nonstandard match structure, all while we are trying so hard to standardise the officiating levels to create a level playing field.
GaryMc82 (Derry) - Posts:2740 - 03/10/2016 23:00:34I don't think referees should be adding on 10 minutes bar emergency situations which can arise. I don't think you should limit the time a referee should add but they should only be adding 2-3 minutes in general as not more is needed. Putting a limit on time that can be added isn't necessary


We need to standardise the level of officiating for games, not just how cards are issued, but also how long each game lasts.
Adding up to 10 mins (14.3%) on to a 70 minute game is unacceptable, simply because this added time is discretionary rather than standardised.
One official in Semi final A can add a total of 5 minutes, while another in Semi Final B will add 10 minutes. This creates an imbalance, essentially two teams got 5 minutes longer playing time than the other two.
If the GAA want to compensate for the number of stoppages in the modern game, they should add a blanket 8-10 minutes to every game, using a auto buzzer to blow the final whistle ensuring the system is standardised. Otherwise limit added time to 2 minutes per half.
GaryMc82 (Derry) - Posts:2740 - 04/10/2016 00:08:32You can only standardise time added and how long games last if you have referee telling a dedicated timing official time on/time off etc like in other sports. Adding 10 minutes isn't unacceptable if the certain game and the situation arises. That time varies between games like that is life. You cant really have standardised times for each and every game as every game is completely different.

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 04/10/2016 19:25:17    1922567

There will always be stoppages in any match, but you can't add every fecking minute on to the 70, not for handbags and stupid stuff we see week in week out.

If there is a very serious injury, or something irregular happens during the match, yes the referee should be able to add on necessary time to make it 70 minutes. But otherwise injury time should be capped at 4 or 5 minutes in total (For both 1st and 2nd half), and referee's should be encouraged to blow up on the 70 minute mark if a game was relatively uneventful in terms of stoppages.

GaryMc82 (Derry) - Posts: 3017 - 04/10/2016 22:46:09    1922654

There will always be stoppages in any match, but you can't add every fecking minute on to the 70, not for handbags and stupid stuff we see week in week out.

Course you can. And should. Otherwise if you say 'handbags and stupid stuff' doesn't stop the clock then guess what a winning team are going to do the last 5-10 minutes of a game? Yep - handbags and stupid stuff to play down the clock safe in the knowledge that it isn't getting added on.

Again, the time added isn't 'Extra Time' or 'Additional Time' - it is defined as 'Normal Time' as it is time allowed for periods of longer than your normal sideline ball, kick out etc stoppages throughout normal playing time where the ball isn't actually in play. If you check the Rule book you will see it clearly says Playing Time of 30/35 minutes - not 30/35 minutes after the ref throws the ball in to start the half.

Rule 3.2 The playing time shall consist of two periods of thirty minutes each, but time shall be added on in each period for incidental or deliberate delays. This shall be termed 'Normal Time'.

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Exceptions
(i) In Inter-County Senior Championship and National League games, the playing time shall consist of two periods of 35 minutes each.

Offside_Rule (Antrim) - Posts: 4058 - 05/10/2016 11:24:22    1922752

Tacaí Liatroma (Leitrim) - Posts: 1029 - 05/10/2016 16:51:59    1922942

Good point: incidental or deliberate delays - I'm sure that there are not exactly 2 mins of incidental or deliberate delays in every half of football.

Of course not - and I have been to club games where the half/full time whistle has blown on the 30 minute mark which was correct as there was no abnormal time when the ball wasn't in play. Likewise I have been to games where there are over 5 minutes added and again I would say correctly due to long stoppages. Yes there are games where you scratch your head and wonder why the ref is still playing 3 or 4 minutes after the whistle should have been blown but like all things ref, that is down to whatever is going on in their heads at that particular time, and is more the exception than the norm.

My point is, that a game should be as close to 60/70 minutes of play as possible, regardless of how many 'real' minutes this takes on the clock. The running joke for a long time was that everyone knew there would be 2 minutes of time played and the end of a half. But to put a defined/capped/limited (or whatever you want to call it) time on when a game has to be completed by is just asking for trouble. A bit like the obvious trouble some of us tried to warn around the black card when it came out but were ignored. :-)

Offside_Rule (Antrim) - Posts: 4058 - 06/10/2016 11:02:41    1923156

ormond: There will always be stoppages in any match, but you can't add every fecking minute on to the 70, not for handbags and stupid stuff we see week in week out.
offside rule: Course you can. And should. Otherwise if you say 'handbags and stupid stuff' doesn't stop the clock then guess what a winning team are going to do the last 5-10 minutes of a game? Yep - handbags and stupid stuff to play down the clock safe in the knowledge that it isn't getting added on. Again, the time added isn't 'Extra Time' or 'Additional Time' - it is defined as 'Normal Time' as it is time allowed for periods of longer than your normal sideline ball, kick out etc stoppages throughout normal playing time where the ball isn't actually in play. If you check the Rule book you will see it clearly says Playing Time of 30/35 minutes - not 30/35 minutes after the ref throws the ball in to start the half.
Rule 3.2 The playing time shall consist of two periods of thirty minutes each, but time shall be added on in each period for incidental or deliberate delays. This shall be termed 'Normal Time'.
12 Exceptions (i) In Inter-County Senior Championship and National League games, the playing time shall consist of two periods of 35 minutes each. Offside_Rule (Antrim) - Posts:3112 - 05/10/2016 11:24:22 You can but if you want to make officials jobs easier and make there be less chance of trouble you don't. You don't need to add time on for the number of subs made.

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 06/10/2016 12:25:36    1923193

You don't need to add time on for the number of subs made.

Why not? Unlike sideline balls, kickouts etc where there is minimal stoppage, the average substitution take prob 20-30 seconds at least from the refs attention is got til he/she starts play again. If both teams use their 6 subs then you are talking up to 6 minutes of stoppage for subs alone. Why would you then just discount this time but allow for injuries? And we all know that the substitute is used as a tactic in games to run down the clock so definitely should be counted.

Offside_Rule (Antrim) - Posts: 4058 - 06/10/2016 14:51:30    1923305