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There's a lot of talk on here that Dublin will regroup and be better the next day and they will win out.
I'm really not sure that's how it will pan out.
I don't think Mayo caught them out with some cunning ploy.
Mayo just defended really well. As I feel they have done all season. I don't see how Dublin can easily just sort out a problem before the next day.
Mayo have a good zonal system at kickouts. They've great defenders in the likes of Vaughan, Higgins, Boyle, Keegan. A quality keeper.
Dublin's defence yesterday were absolutely excellent also. Theres room for improvement in the forwards but there's also room for their defence not to be as solid.
One change I think I'd make would be to use McManamon and MDMA as impact subs. I always feel running players are at their best when going up against tired defences.
Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4223 - 19/09/2016 12:50:39
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Replying To Whammo86: "There's a lot of talk on here that Dublin will regroup and be better the next day and they will win out.
I'm really not sure that's how it will pan out.
I don't think Mayo caught them out with some cunning ploy.
Mayo just defended really well. As I feel they have done all season. I don't see how Dublin can easily just sort out a problem before the next day.
Mayo have a good zonal system at kickouts. They've great defenders in the likes of Vaughan, Higgins, Boyle, Keegan. A quality keeper.
Dublin's defence yesterday were absolutely excellent also. Theres room for improvement in the forwards but there's also room for their defence not to be as solid.
One change I think I'd make would be to use McManamon and MDMA as impact subs. I always feel running players are at their best when going up against tired defences." Well I guess the blanket defence used by Mayo for long stretches will not catch Dublin out. I think the Dublin fowards will lineout differently also. I can see Paddy starting and possibly even EOG to give Dublin another dimension. Flynner needs to be dropped and I would start Kev Mc on the bench unloading him and Mannion on Mayo tired legs late on. Mannion really worked then when he came on yesterday. I think Dublin need to keep their inside forwards in there against Mayo and play into the corners to stretch them. The tactic of having the forwards running out behind the ball carrier to open up space did not work. It just left an isolated ball carrier with no targets to hit. If conditions are dry you will see a lot more running off the shoulder from Dublin. Finally, this probably won't happen the next day...
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gNdb0sMsfpw
Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4700 - 19/09/2016 13:03:43
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Not sure what Dublin can learn before the replay!!
Fair enough.
But then, What can Mayo learn before the replay ?
That they can get under the skins of the Dublin lads by waiting in the tunnel for them to come out ? Ruffle their feathers ?
Yea well Dublin will now know that, And will make sure they wont be wound up or nervous in two weeks time. So theres one thing.
In terms of what we actually saw on the pitch, I think both sides can improve going forward as both defences where fantastic.
Mayo and Dublin probably wont learn anything new as such, But rather, improve certain aspects of their game that let them down yesterday. The TV doesn't do the conditions justice either, they where absolutely awful. So providing its a bit drier next time out, I expect a lot of the sloppiness and unforced errors wont be as high which will see both teams able to play more fluid, attacking, open football.
When you see Dublin only scored 9 points in 80 minutes of football, Its evident that there is a lot of room for improvement. Whether it happens, we will see in two weeks.
waynoI (Dublin) - Posts: 13650 - 19/09/2016 13:21:34
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One player I was particularly disappointed with yesterday was young Kilkenny, at one stage he was in danger of actually passing the ball forward, had a chance for a simple point late in the 2nd half and cocked it up completely.
moylagh (Meath) - Posts: 484 - 19/09/2016 13:40:01
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Replying To waynoI: "Not sure what Dublin can learn before the replay!!
Fair enough.
But then, What can Mayo learn before the replay ?
That they can get under the skins of the Dublin lads by waiting in the tunnel for them to come out ? Ruffle their feathers ?
Yea well Dublin will now know that, And will make sure they wont be wound up or nervous in two weeks time. So theres one thing.
In terms of what we actually saw on the pitch, I think both sides can improve going forward as both defences where fantastic.
Mayo and Dublin probably wont learn anything new as such, But rather, improve certain aspects of their game that let them down yesterday. The TV doesn't do the conditions justice either, they where absolutely awful. So providing its a bit drier next time out, I expect a lot of the sloppiness and unforced errors wont be as high which will see both teams able to play more fluid, attacking, open football.
When you see Dublin only scored 9 points in 80 minutes of football, Its evident that there is a lot of room for improvement. Whether it happens, we will see in two weeks." I do agree with most of that.
There just seems to be a consensus here that Mayo left the game behind. Dublin's forwards can't be any worse than they were yesterday. I just don't think it's as easy as that.
Dublin were put under pressure all day yesterday, I read a stat that Mayo turned Dublin over 9 times and were only turned over themselves 6 times.
Mayo were good all over the park yesterday. They're a quality team and I don't think it's a simple fix for Dublin who despite being ahead for most of the game probably should have been beaten yesterday.
Mayo will also have room to improve, some of their decision making up front was poor and they need to work on getting C O'C in position to shoot better. I think those are more clear cut problems to solve.
Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4223 - 19/09/2016 14:06:20
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Replying To moylagh: "One player I was particularly disappointed with yesterday was young Kilkenny, at one stage he was in danger of actually passing the ball forward, had a chance for a simple point late in the 2nd half and cocked it up completely." I actually thought that he was brilliant. He kept us ticking over by demanding the ball and distributing. His work rate was immense from half backs to half forwards, he covered some ground. The SG showed a passage last night where he touched the ball 12 times in one Dublin move. He has become the driving force of this team since Alan B hung up his boots. Strong candidate for POTY I think.
Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4700 - 19/09/2016 14:24:35
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Replying To Whammo86: "I do agree with most of that.
There just seems to be a consensus here that Mayo left the game behind. Dublin's forwards can't be any worse than they were yesterday. I just don't think it's as easy as that.
Dublin were put under pressure all day yesterday, I read a stat that Mayo turned Dublin over 9 times and were only turned over themselves 6 times.
Mayo were good all over the park yesterday. They're a quality team and I don't think it's a simple fix for Dublin who despite being ahead for most of the game probably should have been beaten yesterday.
Mayo will also have room to improve, some of their decision making up front was poor and they need to work on getting C O'C in position to shoot better. I think those are more clear cut problems to solve." I think you're right Whamm. A lot of those turnovers were down to the conditions though. Rock's misses also down to the conditions. The heavy ground doesn't suit Dublin's quick off the shoulder style. They need to tweak the forward line and if conditions are good then I expect they will give Mayo plenty of problems the next day.
Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4700 - 19/09/2016 14:28:31
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Replying To Joxer: "I actually thought that he was brilliant. He kept us ticking over by demanding the ball and distributing. His work rate was immense from half backs to half forwards, he covered some ground. The SG showed a passage last night where he touched the ball 12 times in one Dublin move. He has become the driving force of this team since Alan B hung up his boots. Strong candidate for POTY I think." He's a fantastic player. Him and Fenton are Dublin's major FOTY contenders.
It was a strange decision not to shoot for a point that time.
Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4223 - 19/09/2016 14:41:51
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Of course Dublin can do better. Free taking alone you would fancy them to score more the next day.
I know Mayo shouldn't concede 2 own goals again but overall Dublin have more scope to improve.
Mayo shocked them massive today and still didn't get the win. I just feel that mayo (own goals aside) wont play as well the next game and I dont think Dublin can play as bad.
dstuction (Donegal) - Posts: 1209 - 19/09/2016 14:47:24
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Replying To waynoI: "Not sure what Dublin can learn before the replay!!
Fair enough.
But then, What can Mayo learn before the replay ?
That they can get under the skins of the Dublin lads by waiting in the tunnel for them to come out ? Ruffle their feathers ?
Yea well Dublin will now know that, And will make sure they wont be wound up or nervous in two weeks time. So theres one thing.
In terms of what we actually saw on the pitch, I think both sides can improve going forward as both defences where fantastic.
Mayo and Dublin probably wont learn anything new as such, But rather, improve certain aspects of their game that let them down yesterday. The TV doesn't do the conditions justice either, they where absolutely awful. So providing its a bit drier next time out, I expect a lot of the sloppiness and unforced errors wont be as high which will see both teams able to play more fluid, attacking, open football.
When you see Dublin only scored 9 points in 80 minutes of football, Its evident that there is a lot of room for improvement. Whether it happens, we will see in two weeks." Dublin were ment to take to the field first at 2:56 and mayo at 2:58 so mayo were right to let Dublin go first
xxr (Mayo) - Posts: 47 - 19/09/2016 14:53:32
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Replying To Whammo86: "There's a lot of talk on here that Dublin will regroup and be better the next day and they will win out.
I'm really not sure that's how it will pan out.
I don't think Mayo caught them out with some cunning ploy.
Mayo just defended really well. As I feel they have done all season. I don't see how Dublin can easily just sort out a problem before the next day.
Mayo have a good zonal system at kickouts. They've great defenders in the likes of Vaughan, Higgins, Boyle, Keegan. A quality keeper.
Dublin's defence yesterday were absolutely excellent also. Theres room for improvement in the forwards but there's also room for their defence not to be as solid.
One change I think I'd make would be to use McManamon and MDMA as impact subs. I always feel running players are at their best when going up against tired defences." In relation to what you said about Dublin subs,I think it is much the same for Mayo too though .They have fast impact subs that can and should be used for running at the Dubs defence , mainly Connor O shea ,Evan Regan possibly even Loftus, three speedy youngsters capable of scorers all with plenty of pace.
Like I said before , for Mayo to win they need goals. One would have done yesterday but they only really got one chance with Andy Moran , they need a few more.
Aidan O ' Shea was also basically no effective as usual against Dublin and was marked out of the game.I'd argue the case for switching him to midfield but even been as bold to bring him on as a sub after 30 mins or so to replace his brother so he has a full tank until the 75 min mark.
In my eyes Mayo have not missed the boat , if anything I think they will improve on yesterday as long as they don't score goals for Dublin. Strange to say this but I can easily see Mayo winning by 3/4 even 5 points. Before this game I thought they would scrape it by the bare minimum but after being at the game I didn't get a full view , after watching back on TV I'm very confident they will win.
Dublin need /must up their game and it will be interesting to see how they will change their game plan and if they will drop certain big names who did not perform. This replay will certainly have more hype around it considering yesterdays result.
GameOfTyrones (Tyrone) - Posts: 469 - 19/09/2016 15:59:09
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Crazy thread , Dublin will learn loads from yesterday, you'll see in two weeks time just how much.
clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 19/09/2016 16:28:02
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I'm sure Dublin will learn as much from this performance as they did when they coughed up a 7 point lead to Mayo last year
NavyNBlue (Dublin) - Posts: 1357 - 19/09/2016 16:37:27
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If Dublin's 'bench' is as great as pundits and media keep telling everyone it is, then it's remarkable the Macauley, Flynn & Brogan are still getting game time, let alone starts.
Pope_Benedict (Galway) - Posts: 3421 - 19/09/2016 17:16:09
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Some of you Dubs are a bit touchy.
It's not a slight on Dublin what I'm saying, I also think Dublin should still be favourites.
I'm just not buying into the thinking that Mayo had 1 chance and they blew it.
They were definitely the better team yesterday. The didn't come up with any specific ploys for Dublin or anything we hadn't seen before.
They just pushed up on them and played hard.
They too have room for improvement. There defence was excellent but they can work to cut out the goal chances they gave up.
Their attack actually wasn't great yesterday, A O'S didn't have much of an impact, I don't think he's the finesse to play up front against a team as good as Dublin. He might be better served in midfield, maybe would help with tracking Fenton's runs from deep.
This replay is no foregone conclusion is mainly what I'm saying here.
Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4223 - 19/09/2016 17:38:28
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Replying To Pope_Benedict: "If Dublin's 'bench' is as great as pundits and media keep telling everyone it is, then it's remarkable the Macauley, Flynn & Brogan are still getting game time, let alone starts." Surely you don't need the media to tell you if Dublin have good subs or not ? What about the facts. Kevin Mc scoring 3 very good goals in hardened AI contests, Mannion scored a super goal V Donegal, EOG hit a crucial point V Kerry, all Dub subs in last year's SF replay made an impact. So not sure why you would doubt Dublin have good subs to call on.
poguemahone (Dublin) - Posts: 365 - 19/09/2016 18:46:12
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Get their digs in first
arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4896 - 19/09/2016 19:25:15
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