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The Ulster Championship draw for this year was more or less in line with what a seeded draw would have come up with. Ulster have had a disappointing All-Ireland championship. legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7757 - 08/08/2016 16:40:13 1898183 Link 0 |
Legend you do have an obsession with the North, anyway how would the seeding have helped in any way. duckula20 (Antrim) - Posts: 175 - 08/08/2016 17:00:32 1898198 Link 0 |
The Ulster Championship was perfectly balanced this year, and I thought it was brilliantly laid out. Granted I would scrap replay's, due to the time constraints, but other than that it was great. GaryMc82 (Derry) - Posts: 3017 - 08/08/2016 17:02:58 1898200 Link 0 |
I think you read too much into a handful of results legendzxix. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4172 - 08/08/2016 17:16:36 1898209 Link 0 |
Hold on now. . Cavan beat Carlow with relative comfort despite playing poorly - in doing so, they became only the 2nd ever team to beat the 6 day turn-around. The same 6 day turnaround beat Monaghan and Roscommon. As for the Derry game, yes we shouldn't have lost but it was 1 Ulster team vs another so doesn't really offer anything to this argument apart from maybe pointing out that Tipp only just beat Derry but hammered the Connaught champions. You can't base ANYTHING on one season's set of results. cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 4978 - 08/08/2016 17:38:28 1898230 Link 0 |
It's the first year in a while that had a balanced draw. It's the clearest indicator yet. I'm on record as saying I want to go to an Ulster final. legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7757 - 08/08/2016 18:16:24 1898251 Link 0 |
There is no clear evidence to suggest that a county's easy match schedule impairs that team's ability to perform well at the business end of the Championship. omahant (USA) - Posts: 2535 - 08/08/2016 18:24:42 1898261 Link 0 |
Did a northern girl break your heart? DoireCityFC (Derry) - Posts: 1580 - 08/08/2016 19:02:59 1898287 Link 2 |
I can agree you can't judge anything by 1 year. I was just giving counter examples to legendzxix's assertion that hard draws benefit a team. Sorry if had in my head though that Cavan only narrowly beat Carlow. My memory failed me. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4172 - 08/08/2016 19:39:38 1898305 Link 0 |
The years Limerick as well as Cork tested us did us the world of good. Ye need these challenges. I'm all for a round of 16 or whatever. We're hardly in Division 1 for the ***** and giggles.
legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7757 - 08/08/2016 20:33:45 1898321 Link 1 |
Was in croke Park Saturday evening and had great admiration for Donegal display 6th hard championship match of season. Not a level playing field when you compare that to Kerry's summer. seanie08 (Monaghan) - Posts: 1790 - 08/08/2016 21:11:22 1898347 Link 0 |
What I must say here is Donegal got the toughest draw in the qualifiers, first Cork was ok but for the winner to meet Dublin then that was as tough of ask as you would want. Now if Kerry had to have played Dublin Sat night would they(Kerry) still be in the championship. I don't think so As for Tyrone v Mayo to me that was a fifty fifty game with each having a chance to win. No need to talk about Ulster woes as we have two teams who are in the top four /five in the country. Fair enough both were bet Sat night but by the two teams who will probably contest the All Ireland final. There are Kerry men here in London who are still not convinced Dublin are a top side. They are backing Kerry for Sam but i am going to have a bet with them --- that come the 67 minute as like Sat night when Donegal were within three points of Dublin-- Kerry will be a good bit more behind Had Donegal not to have met Dublin I would say they would still be in the championship. Interesting to hear C Kilkenny talking about the game afterwards---- most brutal game he play in , how he was going for a message , ice packs and cold baths. SamOnErrigal (Donegal) - Posts: 1427 - 08/08/2016 21:32:20 1898361 Link 0 |
Firstly you're counting a replay. They also lost their provincial final and had to play a qualifier round. Donegal: U.QF Beat Fermanagh. Mayo beat Fermanagh. Galway beat Mayo. Tipperary beat Galway. Kerry beat Tipperary. U.SF Beat Monaghan. Longford beat Monaghan. Cork beat Longford. Tipperary beat Cork. Kerry best Tipperary. U.Final Lost to Tyrone. Tyrone lost to Mayo. Mayo lost to Galway. Galway lost to Tipperary. Tipperary lost to Kerry. legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7757 - 08/08/2016 21:50:26 1898377 Link 1 |
...father evidence of a mindset with which a psychologist would make hay.
Knoxboya (Monaghan) - Posts: 355 - 09/08/2016 16:42:03 1898934 Link 0 |
Why cant Ulster people accept they had a bad year as opposed to taking shot after shot at Munster Football. KYTitletown (Kerry) - Posts: 816 - 09/08/2016 17:28:47 1898982 Link 1 |
I don't really think Ulster posters are denying that it's been a bad season for Ulster sides. I find it quite irritating though the volume of the reminders that's going on around here. I haven't counted but there have been a number of threads on here where the original post has mentioned Ulster and their poor season. Most in a mocking fashion. It's pretty classless in my opinion. Whatever about disliking individual counties for a genuine footballing reasons the tone of most of these threads are just anti-northern. I suppose it's been a long time since Ulster teams have performed so poorly, probably has never happened in the qualifiers era. There's been some amount of begrudgery has been able to build over that time. Hopefully next season regular service will be resumed. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4172 - 09/08/2016 18:15:40 1898998 Link 0 |
I agree there are too many threads like this whammo but don't believe it's anti-northern. It was impossible to discuss any football topic on here a few months back without someone stating that ulster was the only province worth watching, the other 3 provinces were predictable and full of poor teams outside the big 3, and Kerrys All-Ireland haul was only due to their soft run. It's no wonder now that posters from some of these counties should want to show how disrespectful and wrong that rubbish was. It still goes on with posters complaining about Kerrys soft Munster this year. What's not mentioned is that Kerry were the only team that had to beat an All-Ireland quarterfinalist and semifinalist just to win their province - when did that last happen I wonder? Yes Tipperary are division 3 but the attacking, expansive football they played to beat Galway in Croke Park in July just wouldn't work on a wet February night in Armagh. Far too much weight is given on here to how teams do in the muck of spring when a defensive handpassing style works well. It's all about summer football and the championship and this year has again shown that outside the big 3 there is very little between many of the sides.
Soma (UK) - Posts: 2630 - 09/08/2016 20:23:15 1899074 Link 0 |
I have been complimentary of Ulster football championship. All I've stated is that a competitive championship is a help rather than a hindrance for the All-Ireland series. legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7757 - 09/08/2016 21:12:38 1899104 Link 0 |
Who are the big three Soma. To me Dublin stand out and you can take your pick of Mayo Tyrone Kerry and Donegal. As regards Ulster teams and their performance in this year's championship it was obvious that Donegal / Tyrone were going to be the only two teams to make a challenge for Sam Tyrone could have won-- you can't miss a goal chance like Tyrone did in the second half. Plus they kicked a few bad wides late on. The other thing was if Mayo were to get anyway near last year's form they were going to be a match for anybody. Donegal got the hard draw---- would Kerry Tyrone or Mayo have beaten Dublin last Sat night?? I don't think so We have played Dublin three times in the championship since 2011and we have conceded one goal , the one scored late in Sats nights game which I thought was a poor goal to concede Talking about Summer football -- outside Dublin Kerry Mayo who would you say could beat Donegal or Tyrone in the championship. On any given day neither Kerry or Mayo might not beat Donegal /Tyrone As regards Tipp even if they were playing in Ulster I doubt if they could win an Ulster championship. When did they last beat Kerry in the championship. At least Donegal and Tyrone did. No matter what people say TWO of the top five teams are in Ulster SamOnErrigal (Donegal) - Posts: 1427 - 09/08/2016 21:21:50 1899110 Link 0 |
Ulster cant be strong every year, any more than other provinces are or are not. It is more about the individual counties now rather than the provincials in terms of quality. Donegalman (None) - Posts: 3830 - 09/08/2016 21:49:04 1899138 Link 0 |