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To me it appears like more big games for the elite players and extra strife for the club player in the more successful counties. Of course more money for the GAA coffers and a copycat league as in European soccer and rugby. http://www.hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=259085 Auldfella (Meath) - Posts: 472 - 04/08/2016 12:32:36 1895369 Link
and a copycat league as in European soccer and rugby. http://www.hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=259085 Auldfella (Meath) - Posts:459 - 04/08/2016 12:32:36 interesting view there - thats how champions league started the old european cup quarter finals converted to group matches. like the fact that each team gets a home game - although dublin would end up with two in croke park janesboro (Limerick) - Posts: 1502 - 04/08/2016 12:48:31 1895386 Link
Replying To Auldfella: "To me it appears like more big games for the elite players and extra strife for the club player in the more successful counties. Of course more money for the GAA coffers and a copycat league as in European soccer and rugby. http://www.hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=259085" The GAA are damned if they do and damned if they don't. It's a proposal, it can be tweaked. On first quick glance it looks like it won't help improve standards for so-called weaker counties. Maybe they could do something with league structure to help improve overall standards and not just at the top. It looks a good proposal, more knockout games and less half-hearted encounters where one team gives up because the backdoor waits anyway. Lets give it a try, fair play to the GAA for coming up with this. In what way is this proposal a copycat of European soccer or rugby? Not the same structure as Champions League or Cup. Better to look at how other sports do things and even improve their ideas ourselves rather than bang our head against a brickwall because we mustn't be seen to adapt ideas from other sports as it looks like a sign of weakness. GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7344 - 04/08/2016 12:58:12 1895405 Link
I think this is a good compromise It means a lot more matches so scheduling becomes a bigger issue but I think more could be done with the current scheduling of the provincials to run them quicker anyway. Not only does this mean that we get a lot more high quality games but the teams that do make it through the qualifiers, like Clare and Tipp this season, will get more than just one match. Even in the case of beaten provincial champions, like Galway, who this season have no come back after that loss to Tipp, will get another shot. There was never going to be a perfect solution but this is a good start keithlemon (Australia) - Posts: 920 - 04/08/2016 12:58:44 1895408 Link
It's all about money, and anyone who thinks otherwise is living in cloud cuckoo land. AfricanGael (UK) - Posts: 1947 - 04/08/2016 13:26:47 1895444 Link
Replying To AfricanGael: "It's all about money, and anyone who thinks otherwise is living in cloud cuckoo land." spot on and I don't like the idea anyway... ziggy32001 (Meath) - Posts: 8354 - 04/08/2016 13:34:36 1895450 Link
Replying To AfricanGael: "It's all about money, and anyone who thinks otherwise is living in cloud cuckoo land." Hopefully it brings in more money alright. More money for clubs the length and breadth of the country. MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13707 - 04/08/2016 13:43:04 1895460 Link
Replying To AfricanGael: "It's all about money, and anyone who thinks otherwise is living in cloud cuckoo land." They couldnt give two hoots about the smaller counties.......its about MONEY. The provincial championships are the problem. JayP (Dublin) - Posts: 1772 - 04/08/2016 13:44:01 1895462 Link
Replying To GreenandRed: "The GAA are damned if they do and damned if they don't. It's a proposal, it can be tweaked. On first quick glance it looks like it won't help improve standards for so-called weaker counties. Maybe they could do something with league structure to help improve overall standards and not just at the top. It looks a good proposal, more knockout games and less half-hearted encounters where one team gives up because the backdoor waits anyway. Lets give it a try, fair play to the GAA for coming up with this. In what way is this proposal a copycat of European soccer or rugby? Not the same structure as Champions League or Cup. Better to look at how other sports do things and even improve their ideas ourselves rather than bang our head against a brickwall because we mustn't be seen to adapt ideas from other sports as it looks like a sign of weakness." The early 00's saw the champions league based on two group phases plus your semi and final. It eventually went knockout in the middle of noughties 222 (UK) - Posts: 692 - 04/08/2016 13:44:20 1895463 Link
Replying To 222: "The early 00's saw the champions league based on two group phases plus your semi and final. It eventually went knockout in the middle of noughties" The Champions League isn't the same now though. Home and away knockouts for the last 16 teams makes it a bit more tense but also defensive and cagey. GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7344 - 04/08/2016 14:06:00 1895502 Link
A group stage if being implemented has to start some where. The final 8 is a good place to test the water. legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7840 - 04/08/2016 15:35:37 1895619 Link
The champions league is a brilliant competition once knock outs starts, more games for top teams against each other, not to mention revenue for citys involved. Hence why it has never been retained because of its magic. GAA needs balance to their championship, all teams on a level playing field. from the start to end. 222 (UK) - Posts: 692 - 04/08/2016 16:14:51 1895688 Link
Replying To legendzxix: "A group stage if being implemented has to start some where. The final 8 is a good place to test the water." This should happen in the provinces ziggy32001 (Meath) - Posts: 8354 - 04/08/2016 16:37:57 1895712 Link
Replying To GreenandRed: "The GAA are damned if they do and damned if they don't. It's a proposal, it can be tweaked. On first quick glance it looks like it won't help improve standards for so-called weaker counties. Maybe they could do something with league structure to help improve overall standards and not just at the top. It looks a good proposal, more knockout games and less half-hearted encounters where one team gives up because the backdoor waits anyway. Lets give it a try, fair play to the GAA for coming up with this. In what way is this proposal a copycat of European soccer or rugby? Not the same structure as Champions League or Cup. Better to look at how other sports do things and even improve their ideas ourselves rather than bang our head against a brickwall because we mustn't be seen to adapt ideas from other sports as it looks like a sign of weakness." It looks a good proposal, more knockout games and less half-hearted encounters where one team gives up because the backdoor waits anyway. I don't really agree with this part of what you say. It doesn't remove the qualifiers at all, they play the exact same role now in determining the final 8. There are some small improvements being made here: Less chance of a team skating through to the semifinals off the back of an easy draw. For most counties the county season ends earlier to help club football. More games between top teams. Weaker counties get more home qualifier matches. Less wait team between NFL and championship. I feel though that as a proposal it misses a number of other key issues though. Whilst I don't like being negative when proposals, I do find this as being a little disappointing. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4217 - 04/08/2016 16:38:32 1895714 Link
Ya the best thing to do is to play as many matches as you can and get rid of club matches altogether,,,shur who wants to watch us anyway!!!! tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 04/08/2016 16:57:44 1895740 Link
Def worth a go... There was never going to be a perfect solution At least the GAA are looking at the issue now jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 04/08/2016 16:59:51 1895743 Link
This was posted as a new thread but as the subject matter is the same it has been incorporated here. Liamwalkinstown Posts: 6870 Dublin Changing the 1/4's, leaving the Provs...... So, the one part of the championship thats really works ie from the 1/4 finals on...THAT they want to change The part that really doesnt work, the provincials, THAT they want to leave as is...... how will this help Limerick or Waterford footballers for example....? Are they actually for real like!! Administrator (None) - Posts: 2274 - 04/08/2016 17:35:17 1895768 Link
Weak and evasive proposal by the Gaa which does nothing to sort out the inequality in the championship, nothing to help the ailing provincials and yet again completely ignores the research done by the GPA on this issue. Total waste of time, it's just old men, trying desperately to hold on to 'tradition' at the expense of research and common sense. Htaem (Meath) - Posts: 8657 - 04/08/2016 18:37:57 1895804 Link
Htaem spot on there. Strong will get stronger and the weak weaker. sponger (Wicklow) - Posts: 2897 - 04/08/2016 20:00:15 1895850 Link
Agree with what's been said. How does this idea help those who need it? Wicklow Waterford for example. Wicklow could draw say Kildare in Leinster get beaten then draw say Derry in the qualifiers. Gone again after 2 games and before we get near July. All this system will do will get the Gaa more games between Dublin Kerry Tyrone Mayo Donegal cork and 2 others. Also it eats in on clubs as well. Oh and they want to move the hurling final to August! Give over firs Sunday of September is religion be like moving Christmas Day Brianmac78 (Dublin) - Posts: 1168 - 04/08/2016 20:29:15 1895864 Link