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Loads of controversy in that 1st half! Waterford goal was a definite square ball (though I admit it wasn't until they showed a replay that I realised that).

A Gleeson a lucky man to only get a yellow - yes, it wasn't particularly rough but it was still a punching motion - still a serious lack of discipline in that man! In the same incident, the defender who conceded the free caught the Tipp face mask, not once but twice. The penalty for that should be?! Linesman was 5m away from him, made the call on Gleeson alright but nothing on the face mask.

1914 (Clare) - Posts: 92 - 27/07/2016 19:38:49    1891164

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Feeling guilty adding to my own content, but that was some second half from Gleeson. He's a rare talent, a guy who can do it all. There are few enough players who are worth any admission fee just to watch them in full flow - DJ, J Canning, T Kelly etc - Gleeson is in that category. Hope Waterford win it now.

1914 (Clare) - Posts: 92 - 27/07/2016 20:38:09    1891193

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Missed the first half so can't comment on the controversies. Judging by the second half demolition of Tipp and what they did to Clare, this is a seriously good under 21 team. They play a lovely brand of hurling - lots of skill, tricks and improvisation like the Waterford team of 02-04. Stephen Bennett's flick for Peter Hogan's goal was scandalous.

ballydalane (Kilkenny) - Posts: 1246 - 27/07/2016 20:41:48    1891197

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Sweet Jesus are you for real? The man has just put in one of the greatest performances I've ever seen at 21 level and your moaning about a little tap, would you go away. AustinGleeson you are a freak what a player well done Waterford.

clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 27/07/2016 20:42:32    1891201

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Replying To 1914:  "Loads of controversy in that 1st half! Waterford goal was a definite square ball (though I admit it wasn't until they showed a replay that I realised that).

A Gleeson a lucky man to only get a yellow - yes, it wasn't particularly rough but it was still a punching motion - still a serious lack of discipline in that man! In the same incident, the defender who conceded the free caught the Tipp face mask, not once but twice. The penalty for that should be?! Linesman was 5m away from him, made the call on Gleeson alright but nothing on the face mask."
There have been plenty of threads here about referees being human in response to how bad the standard of refereeing is. Yes referees are human too but they are not up to scratch. This isn't a problem that has sprung up tonight, the standard of refereeing has been abysmal for the best part of a decade. The GAA don't seem to want to know about it.

Now that the rant is over about the standard of refereeing for the last decade Waterford were far better tonight and were always winning this. Congrats to Waterford, they have a great shot at winning the all-Ireland now. Winning an under 21 all-Ireland with the same group of players that won the minor three years ago would be a huge boost for Waterford hurling and it can give them the confidence to finally reach the holy grail with their senior team.

So yeah, we can have no complaints about tonight. Waterford were by far the better team and the score board proves it.

Killarney.87 (Tipperary) - Posts: 2513 - 27/07/2016 20:47:19    1891206

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He is a machine!!!!! Young hurler of the year no doubt...serious serious talent

juniorjudge (Waterford) - Posts: 383 - 27/07/2016 20:53:31    1891211

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Replying To clondalkindub:  "Sweet Jesus are you for real? The man has just put in one of the greatest performances I've ever seen at 21 level and your moaning about a little tap, would you go away. AustinGleeson you are a freak what a player well done Waterford."
Can't argue his a class act at times but he was only allowed deliver that second half performance because he was still on the pitch.
Better team won there a serious outfit and will take some beating.
Well done Waterford better team on the night all around the park.

WildPundit (Tipperary) - Posts: 1709 - 27/07/2016 21:26:28    1891226

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Replying To clondalkindub:  "Sweet Jesus are you for real? The man has just put in one of the greatest performances I've ever seen at 21 level and your moaning about a little tap, would you go away. AustinGleeson you are a freak what a player well done Waterford."
He was awesome tonight. I hope McGrath let's him settle into one position on the senior team and develop his huge talent there.

neverright (Roscommon) - Posts: 1648 - 27/07/2016 21:42:14    1891237

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Replying To neverright:  "He was awesome tonight. I hope McGrath let's him settle into one position on the senior team and develop his huge talent there."
His just phenomenal where ever he plays. If Waterford need him in the backs or forwards he will deliver a masterclass I'm sure.
With the system McGrath plays Gleeson is more of a free role player. Can pop up anywhere.

WildPundit (Tipperary) - Posts: 1709 - 27/07/2016 22:12:34    1891263

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Gleeson is a great hurler but he often doesn't mark anybody! Just like Tadhg De Burca.
Wait till we see how both get on against the Cats!

Pinkie (Wexford) - Posts: 4100 - 28/07/2016 08:43:44    1891330

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Replying To Pinkie:  "Gleeson is a great hurler but he often doesn't mark anybody! Just like Tadhg De Burca.
Wait till we see how both get on against the Cats!"
Correct Pinkie.

Its not that they can't man mark, its just that we don't see either do it but Kilkenny will show the true strength of their mettle if McGrath would just go for it and let a game of hurling break out!

bricktop (Down) - Posts: 2503 - 28/07/2016 09:23:13    1891343

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Waterford were clearly the better team and won well in the end but how would they have fared if the game was reffed by a ref who actually applied the rules?
Gleeson was terrific but why didn't Tipp put a man on him?
Strange decision to afford the best player on the field the freedom of the pitch.

Condorman (Dublin) - Posts: 983 - 28/07/2016 11:49:57    1891431

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Replying To Condorman:  "Waterford were clearly the better team and won well in the end but how would they have fared if the game was reffed by a ref who actually applied the rules?
Gleeson was terrific but why didn't Tipp put a man on him?
Strange decision to afford the best player on the field the freedom of the pitch."
Agree. Thought the match officials were very poor. A home town decision on the Gleeson incident in the first half -- if the game was played at a neutral venue he'd have got the line. At another stage a Waterford player was fouled but Tipp got the free , a 65 not awarded to Waterford in the 2nd half and a point given also that looked like a wide.

PoolSturgeon (Galway) - Posts: 1902 - 28/07/2016 14:33:42    1891533

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Replying To PoolSturgeon:  "Agree. Thought the match officials were very poor. A home town decision on the Gleeson incident in the first half -- if the game was played at a neutral venue he'd have got the line. At another stage a Waterford player was fouled but Tipp got the free , a 65 not awarded to Waterford in the 2nd half and a point given also that looked like a wide."
Well deserved win for Waterford last night. Thought Tipp were going to overtake them a few times early in the second half, but they refused to be stopped. Terrific display by Austin Gleeson from center back but also plenty of others throughout the team. Cant see Antrim coming anywhere near them in semi final, and either Dublin or Galway will have their hands full trying to deal with them in the final.

clonjon (Dublin) - Posts: 665 - 28/07/2016 16:17:32    1891612

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I hate to be a killjoy here, I think Gleeson is a phenomenal talent, he reminds me of Brian Whelehan that's how good I think he is, NOT how good I think he will be which is amazing for one so young.

Now here comes the big BUT, he drives me mad when I watch him play. In my opinion he is not a team player and is way too self-indulgent in his play. Josh Keane turned him over for a handy point cos he wouldn't pop off a simple pass to the runner on his shoulder who was in acres of space. In fairness to him he landed a monster point straight that.

I find he tries to do too much and can hit morale sapping wides from long distance when the chances of scoring was slim at best. I'd say he must drive Curran, Devine and Bennett wrong. Devine was on fire and should have got more ball.

For Waterford match clinching goal he played a simple ball down the line for Bennett who carved open the Tipp defence with a sublime bit of skill. If he did more of that he would be the complete player.

Would Brian Cody tolerate any of his centre backs turning down the handy pass for a 80 - 100 yard pot shot instead?

The reason he annoys me so much is this kid could be one of the legends of the game if he becomes more of a team player. I hope one of the Mount Sion legends like Ken McGrath or Tony Browne pulls him to one side and has a quite word in his ear.

If I am completely deluded here please tell me so?

Killarney.87 (Tipperary) - Posts: 2513 - 28/07/2016 16:36:54    1891626

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Replying To Killarney.87:  "I hate to be a killjoy here, I think Gleeson is a phenomenal talent, he reminds me of Brian Whelehan that's how good I think he is, NOT how good I think he will be which is amazing for one so young.

Now here comes the big BUT, he drives me mad when I watch him play. In my opinion he is not a team player and is way too self-indulgent in his play. Josh Keane turned him over for a handy point cos he wouldn't pop off a simple pass to the runner on his shoulder who was in acres of space. In fairness to him he landed a monster point straight that.

I find he tries to do too much and can hit morale sapping wides from long distance when the chances of scoring was slim at best. I'd say he must drive Curran, Devine and Bennett wrong. Devine was on fire and should have got more ball.

For Waterford match clinching goal he played a simple ball down the line for Bennett who carved open the Tipp defence with a sublime bit of skill. If he did more of that he would be the complete player.

Would Brian Cody tolerate any of his centre backs turning down the handy pass for a 80 - 100 yard pot shot instead?

The reason he annoys me so much is this kid could be one of the legends of the game if he becomes more of a team player. I hope one of the Mount Sion legends like Ken McGrath or Tony Browne pulls him to one side and has a quite word in his ear.

If I am completely deluded here please tell me so?"
Theres nothing wrong with his game one bit, CB is his best position, he is too easy to react at being wound up though and since your bringing up Mr Coady id say he'd give an arm and a leg to have gleeson in his ranks

juniorjudge (Waterford) - Posts: 383 - 28/07/2016 17:40:19    1891658

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Replying To clonjon:  "Well deserved win for Waterford last night. Thought Tipp were going to overtake them a few times early in the second half, but they refused to be stopped. Terrific display by Austin Gleeson from center back but also plenty of others throughout the team. Cant see Antrim coming anywhere near them in semi final, and either Dublin or Galway will have their hands full trying to deal with them in the final."
Galway's continued inclusion in this competition is for me pointless. Going in cold at this stage is a hiding to nothing. U21 has for me turned into an excellent competition and senior teams are now back boned by these U21 teams. Clare and Tipp in winning senior all Irelands had a number of U21's on their panel. And now we see the likes of Waterford and Limerick this year bringing their U21's through to senior. Don't mind the fact the U21 team from Galway have no provincial game they aren't even playing club games. So they'll basically be relying and training and challenge matches to get them up to speed. Something I don't think is possible. Maybe the U21 competition could be used as a template for the senior competition and be completely overhauled.

SamandLiamSoon (Galway) - Posts: 589 - 28/07/2016 18:02:09    1891668

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Replying To SamandLiamSoon:  "Galway's continued inclusion in this competition is for me pointless. Going in cold at this stage is a hiding to nothing. U21 has for me turned into an excellent competition and senior teams are now back boned by these U21 teams. Clare and Tipp in winning senior all Irelands had a number of U21's on their panel. And now we see the likes of Waterford and Limerick this year bringing their U21's through to senior. Don't mind the fact the U21 team from Galway have no provincial game they aren't even playing club games. So they'll basically be relying and training and challenge matches to get them up to speed. Something I don't think is possible. Maybe the U21 competition could be used as a template for the senior competition and be completely overhauled."
+1. Probably we should withdraw from the competition altogether until we are allowed into Leinster or until the GAA revamps the competition in such a way that we get games at an earlier stage. As a way of developing seniors it is worth diddly squat to us as things stand.

PoolSturgeon (Galway) - Posts: 1902 - 28/07/2016 19:33:24    1891689

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Replying To juniorjudge:  "Theres nothing wrong with his game one bit, CB is his best position, he is too easy to react at being wound up though and since your bringing up Mr Coady id say he'd give an arm and a leg to have gleeson in his ranks"
Centre back is definitely his best position. He was outstanding there as a minor.

Cody wouldn't have him in his starting 15 cos he wouldn't tolerate his lack of team.

He'll be off on one of his unnecessary forays up the field and any one of Mick Fennelly, Fogarty, Larkin, Buckley or Joyce will bring it to an abrupt halt. He won't have to worry about Murphy, Holden or Lennon/Prendergast/Tyrell.

He picked up a knock against Kilkenny last year that killed Waterford's chances doing the same.

It's such a shame cos he could be legend of the game like John Keane, who is spoken about long after he is gone.

Killarney.87 (Tipperary) - Posts: 2513 - 28/07/2016 20:08:25    1891699

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Replying To juniorjudge:  "Theres nothing wrong with his game one bit, CB is his best position, he is too easy to react at being wound up though and since your bringing up Mr Coady id say he'd give an arm and a leg to have gleeson in his ranks"
He has an awful lot wrong about his game to b e honest, needs to mark up, this will be a huge problem outside of 21 grade. Needs to stop these big long runs again another problem once outside 21s and finally his biggest problem he needs to start delivering the ball to the forwards, how many wides a game does he have ? Now all this is grand but when you play at the top level against top teams every ball maters. I'm glad he didn't get sent off last night Waterford were by far the better side, I know this sounds mad but I was glad to see the better team win.

therealtmo (Tipperary) - Posts: 1292 - 28/07/2016 20:18:56    1891706

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