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The All Ireland series should work as follows.
Keep provincial championships as is.
In parallel play an "Open Draw" championship down to the final four.
Teams winning both their province and getting to the open draw final four qualify for the semifinals.
There'll always be an even number of teams reaching it one way, if they playoff that gets the competition down to 4 teams.
The open draw championship can be played in any format you want. Just so long as it ends up with 4 teams remaining.
My preference would be for it to be 3 straight knockout rounds. Last 32, last 16, last 8.
I'd use the provincial draws to construct the open draw to engineer the following:
Keep teams from the same province apart-reducing imbalance from differing quality of the provinces.
To schedule games better so that teams aren't waiting around for weeks between championship games.
To ensure that if a team plays their first provincial game away that their last 32 game is at home.
No more back door.
Teams still get 2 matches guaranteed.
Last 32 and last 16 rounds are 24 matches replacing rounds 1-4 of the qualifiers. More exciting games with them no longer being a loser competition.
Current quarter-finals replaced by Open draw last 8. Maybe a little lost here in terms of excitement, although I think it'd be worth it.
A new All Ireland playoff round which will be guaranteed to be between 2 top sides. One being a provincial champion, the other being a team that's won 3 open draw rounds.
Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4195 - 24/07/2016 12:52:58
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This thread is coming around like an ice cream van at this stage.
Donegalman (None) - Posts: 3830 - 24/07/2016 13:02:46
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Replying To Whammo86: "The All Ireland series should work as follows.
Keep provincial championships as is.
In parallel play an "Open Draw" championship down to the final four.
Teams winning both their province and getting to the open draw final four qualify for the semifinals.
There'll always be an even number of teams reaching it one way, if they playoff that gets the competition down to 4 teams.
The open draw championship can be played in any format you want. Just so long as it ends up with 4 teams remaining.
My preference would be for it to be 3 straight knockout rounds. Last 32, last 16, last 8.
I'd use the provincial draws to construct the open draw to engineer the following:
Keep teams from the same province apart-reducing imbalance from differing quality of the provinces.
To schedule games better so that teams aren't waiting around for weeks between championship games.
To ensure that if a team plays their first provincial game away that their last 32 game is at home.
No more back door.
Teams still get 2 matches guaranteed.
Last 32 and last 16 rounds are 24 matches replacing rounds 1-4 of the qualifiers. More exciting games with them no longer being a loser competition.
Current quarter-finals replaced by Open draw last 8. Maybe a little lost here in terms of excitement, although I think it'd be worth it.
A new All Ireland playoff round which will be guaranteed to be between 2 top sides. One being a provincial champion, the other being a team that's won 3 open draw rounds." The open draw All Ireland could also replace the National leagues.
4 Mixed groups of 8 teams.
Top 4 from each group go into Open draw last 16.
Break weeks can be scheduled in the league section to play club championship.
Let's say play 3 weeks, 2 week club break, 2 weeks league, club championship break, final 2 league weeks then straight into provincial championship over 10 weeks with "Open draw" last 16 and last 8 also played. Another 6 weeks to finish.
No qualifiers so plenty of time for club championship when teams are knocked out of both competitions.
You're talking a 6 month county season 3rd week of March to 3rd week of September. Teams playing more championship matches but better scheduling for club championship.
Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4195 - 24/07/2016 13:19:13
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Replying To Donegalman: "This thread is coming around like an ice cream van at this stage." True but so does the calls for change.
I think this one is much more realistic than some other plans bandied about.
Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4195 - 24/07/2016 13:22:10
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My idea..
http://www.hoganstand.com/Forum/MessagePage.aspx?TopicID=97643&Latest=1#Latest
ziggy32001 (Meath) - Posts: 8354 - 24/07/2016 13:27:18
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Legendzxix has something similar with a qualifier round added in for 8 teams coming in the top 2 of their group but not winning their province playing for a quarterfinal spot.
I kind of like them and they're reasonably fair.
Problem is they'll be a tonne of dead rubber games when teams drop out of contention.
Group stages aren't like to work for the main championship.
Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4195 - 24/07/2016 13:46:15
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Replying To Whammo86: "The open draw All Ireland could also replace the National leagues.
4 Mixed groups of 8 teams.
Top 4 from each group go into Open draw last 16.
Break weeks can be scheduled in the league section to play club championship.
Let's say play 3 weeks, 2 week club break, 2 weeks league, club championship break, final 2 league weeks then straight into provincial championship over 10 weeks with "Open draw" last 16 and last 8 also played. Another 6 weeks to finish.
No qualifiers so plenty of time for club championship when teams are knocked out of both competitions.
You're talking a 6 month county season 3rd week of March to 3rd week of September. Teams playing more championship matches but better scheduling for club championship." The same system would work for hurling.
National league with mixed divisions of 8 teams.
Top 4 in each group into Open draw last 8 which gets played down to a final 2.
Get more teams playing top level hurling.
I think you put in these sorts of plans.
Shorter season, similar number of games, better scheduling and you get more people prepared to sign up for inter county GAA even for weaker counties.
Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4195 - 24/07/2016 13:50:41
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I'm all for the Champions League format. Four groups of eight teams.
Cavan_Slasher (Cavan) - Posts: 10253 - 24/07/2016 14:03:03
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Replying To Cavan_Slasher: "I'm all for the Champions League format. Four groups of eight teams." Provincial championships are here to stay.
GAA won't get rid of them and they'll want to keep them part of the All Ireland series.
You could have a champions league format for the open draw section.
The beauty of the overall system of having 2 ways to qualify for the AI series is that the open draw system can be played anyway the GAA wants just so long as 4 teams remain.
Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4195 - 24/07/2016 14:26:46
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Replying To Whammo86: "Provincial championships are here to stay.
GAA won't get rid of them and they'll want to keep them part of the All Ireland series.
You could have a champions league format for the open draw section.
The beauty of the overall system of having 2 ways to qualify for the AI series is that the open draw system can be played anyway the GAA wants just so long as 4 teams remain." Makes sense. I'd agree with that.
Cavan_Slasher (Cavan) - Posts: 10253 - 24/07/2016 14:35:23
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Replying To Whammo86: "True but so does the calls for change.
I think this one is much more realistic than some other plans bandied about." And, I have leased out the driving function ;)
omahant (USA) - Posts: 2569 - 24/07/2016 17:04:59
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Replying To Whammo86: "The All Ireland series should work as follows.
Keep provincial championships as is.
In parallel play an "Open Draw" championship down to the final four.
Teams winning both their province and getting to the open draw final four qualify for the semifinals.
There'll always be an even number of teams reaching it one way, if they playoff that gets the competition down to 4 teams.
The open draw championship can be played in any format you want. Just so long as it ends up with 4 teams remaining.
My preference would be for it to be 3 straight knockout rounds. Last 32, last 16, last 8.
I'd use the provincial draws to construct the open draw to engineer the following:
Keep teams from the same province apart-reducing imbalance from differing quality of the provinces.
To schedule games better so that teams aren't waiting around for weeks between championship games.
To ensure that if a team plays their first provincial game away that their last 32 game is at home.
No more back door.
Teams still get 2 matches guaranteed.
Last 32 and last 16 rounds are 24 matches replacing rounds 1-4 of the qualifiers. More exciting games with them no longer being a loser competition.
Current quarter-finals replaced by Open draw last 8. Maybe a little lost here in terms of excitement, although I think it'd be worth it.
A new All Ireland playoff round which will be guaranteed to be between 2 top sides. One being a provincial champion, the other being a team that's won 3 open draw rounds." Top 16 sides enter Open Championship in 20-team Rd 3 (to A half of the draw only).
Weak 16 sides enter Open in Rd 1 (to BOTH 32-team A and 16-team B halves of the draw).
B half plays 3 KO rds to get 2 teams into 11-team (at most) AI Series.
A half plays Rds 3 and 4 to get 5 teams into AI QFs (if as Prov Champs win Playoff as well, go to AI SFs).
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Or, to be neater -
Existing A and B Prov SF losers enter 24-team A and B halves of the Open.
16 non-Prov SFlists enter BOTH A and B halves of the Open Championship.
Open plays 2 KO Rds to get 6 teams from each half to join 4 Prov Champs in AI Last 16.
Each county is represented in two of the three streams - Prov SFs, Open A, Open B.
Qualify twice for a bye to the AI QFs.
Two-legged SFs in Muns and Conn only to ensure 'bye team losers' play 3 match minimum.
Can I have the ice-cream van back - better to stick with old reliable 99s - a la my Treble Chance or your Move 6 to enter Qual Rd 3 ?
omahant (USA) - Posts: 2569 - 24/07/2016 21:27:26
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Never saw the harm in just a d1 and d2.
17 teams in each.
play each other once. on year at home the next away (might need more thought on that one)
Every team in Ireland is guaranteed 16 games plus maybe a final and promotion/relegation playoff.
This would result in more lads getting games and a chance to shine plus lots of trips for the fans. County grounds would get used more, money would flow back into towns players might not leave the country in as great a number knowing they will get a full season
DoireCityFC (Derry) - Posts: 1580 - 24/07/2016 21:59:32
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Oh and I should have said I know this would never happen. It would even out the playing field and would never get the go ahead.
Wishful thinking have 2 or 3 great games every weekend for 4-5 months
DoireCityFC (Derry) - Posts: 1580 - 24/07/2016 22:05:16
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