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Lying down

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Honestly, just getting sick of this; watched 3 red cards (2 in Longford-Cork, 1 in Cavan-Meath). men going down like they were shot. The red cards were deserved, mind you, for stupidity if nothing else, and was obviously decisive for Derry. Used to be just Tyrone, now everyone is at it. Whatever happened to our game?

befair (Down) - Posts: 237 - 18/07/2016 17:56:51    1885767

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Unfortunately it win at all costs now

Gael85 (Dublin) - Posts: 1433 - 18/07/2016 18:38:29    1885792

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More misplaced nostslgia for some ideal bygone era of football that never actually existed. The kick and hope tactics of yesteryear. Men smoking fags at half time. Or maybe Ye were thinking of the Down team of the 60's who were labeled by Mick O' Dwyer as a dirty,cynical shower of so and so's who were very good at dirty of the ball hits and all kinds of cynicism. Some of yez would want to stop looking back into the mists of time cos there's nothing great to be seen in fairness. Things may need to be done to improve an already great game. Ye can hardly be critical of players today cos they're too fit and are capable of covering ground today that s fella 25/30 years ago would never have been doing. Nobody's gonna make every ground in the country as big as Croker so maybe 13 a side or some other fix will need to be brought in at some point. Regardless,the players of today are better than the players of yesteryear in every way and to think otherwise is pure fantasy.

seanie_boy (Tyrone) - Posts: 4235 - 18/07/2016 19:32:20    1885819

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In comparison, the great Mick Lyons https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T24eXGRZKv4

befair (Down) - Posts: 237 - 18/07/2016 21:08:35    1885883

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Replying To befair:  "Honestly, just getting sick of this; watched 3 red cards (2 in Longford-Cork, 1 in Cavan-Meath). men going down like they were shot. The red cards were deserved, mind you, for stupidity if nothing else, and was obviously decisive for Derry. Used to be just Tyrone, now everyone is at it. Whatever happened to our game?"
Nobody ever dived in a Down jersey - highly unlikely would love to check but actually can't be bothered engaging with a few Down supporters with their anti-Tyrone/Ulster agenda - clearly they have nothing to do with their time since their county went to the dogs. Boring stuff really.

IrishGael3 (USA) - Posts: 1092 - 18/07/2016 21:12:20    1885888

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Replying To seanie_boy:  "More misplaced nostslgia for some ideal bygone era of football that never actually existed. The kick and hope tactics of yesteryear. Men smoking fags at half time. Or maybe Ye were thinking of the Down team of the 60's who were labeled by Mick O' Dwyer as a dirty,cynical shower of so and so's who were very good at dirty of the ball hits and all kinds of cynicism. Some of yez would want to stop looking back into the mists of time cos there's nothing great to be seen in fairness. Things may need to be done to improve an already great game. Ye can hardly be critical of players today cos they're too fit and are capable of covering ground today that s fella 25/30 years ago would never have been doing. Nobody's gonna make every ground in the country as big as Croker so maybe 13 a side or some other fix will need to be brought in at some point. Regardless,the players of today are better than the players of yesteryear in every way and to think otherwise is pure fantasy."
I don't think hoping that players would be willing to stay on their feet after minimal contact is wishing back to a bygone era. I really feel that this simulation to get players sent off has gone into overdrive and it has nothing to do with alleged Down hypocrisy or taking a cheap dig at Tyrone etc. because I'm sure if you looked hard enough, there would be examples from every county of this happening nowadays. In fact, I was full of praise for Michael Murphy when he was punched in the jaw by Kevin Keane last year and he didn't bat an eyelid. Then I realised that should be how all players should react in such a circumstance but this going to ground culture is so prevalent in the game that I was mildly surprised that it didn't happen in that instance. It was actually a bit disillusioning.

Kurt_Angle (Dublin) - Posts: 567 - 19/07/2016 09:36:23    1886032

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Replying To Kurt_Angle:  "I don't think hoping that players would be willing to stay on their feet after minimal contact is wishing back to a bygone era. I really feel that this simulation to get players sent off has gone into overdrive and it has nothing to do with alleged Down hypocrisy or taking a cheap dig at Tyrone etc. because I'm sure if you looked hard enough, there would be examples from every county of this happening nowadays. In fact, I was full of praise for Michael Murphy when he was punched in the jaw by Kevin Keane last year and he didn't bat an eyelid. Then I realised that should be how all players should react in such a circumstance but this going to ground culture is so prevalent in the game that I was mildly surprised that it didn't happen in that instance. It was actually a bit disillusioning."
Spot on Kurt.

bumpernut (Antrim) - Posts: 1852 - 19/07/2016 10:56:45    1886088

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Personally I wouldn't have a massive issue with a guy going down when they are being fouled. No need to make it theatrical mind, but if you are fouled, you should be entitled to take your foul. Often when a guy stays up he doesn't get the foul and the attack ends up being impeded. That isn't fair either and is every bit as dishonest on the defender's part.

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 19/07/2016 12:51:34    1886208

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Replying To seanie_boy:  "More misplaced nostslgia for some ideal bygone era of football that never actually existed. The kick and hope tactics of yesteryear. Men smoking fags at half time. Or maybe Ye were thinking of the Down team of the 60's who were labeled by Mick O' Dwyer as a dirty,cynical shower of so and so's who were very good at dirty of the ball hits and all kinds of cynicism. Some of yez would want to stop looking back into the mists of time cos there's nothing great to be seen in fairness. Things may need to be done to improve an already great game. Ye can hardly be critical of players today cos they're too fit and are capable of covering ground today that s fella 25/30 years ago would never have been doing. Nobody's gonna make every ground in the country as big as Croker so maybe 13 a side or some other fix will need to be brought in at some point. Regardless,the players of today are better than the players of yesteryear in every way and to think otherwise is pure fantasy."
I think you have gone on a wild tangent there seanyboy.

s goldrick (Cavan) - Posts: 5518 - 19/07/2016 12:57:45    1886216

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Replying To TheMaster:  "Personally I wouldn't have a massive issue with a guy going down when they are being fouled. No need to make it theatrical mind, but if you are fouled, you should be entitled to take your foul. Often when a guy stays up he doesn't get the foul and the attack ends up being impeded. That isn't fair either and is every bit as dishonest on the defender's part."
Spot on. If a fella throws a box at you I would encourage you to hit the deck. There is nothing manly or great about being on the receiving end of a box.

gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts: 4971 - 19/07/2016 13:24:42    1886259

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Replying To TheMaster:  "Personally I wouldn't have a massive issue with a guy going down when they are being fouled. No need to make it theatrical mind, but if you are fouled, you should be entitled to take your foul. Often when a guy stays up he doesn't get the foul and the attack ends up being impeded. That isn't fair either and is every bit as dishonest on the defender's part."
Are you posts actually sponsored by ladybird or Adams clothing for big babies and for the love of God are you capable of one post without using the word fair,

Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts: 5193 - 19/07/2016 13:24:46    1886260

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Replying To s goldrick:  "I think you have gone on a wild tangent there seanyboy."

seanie_boy (Tyrone) - Posts: 4235 - 19/07/2016 15:52:40    1886422

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Replying To s goldrick:  "I think you have gone on a wild tangent there seanyboy."
You are welcome. I didn't even have to think too much about it all. It just came billowing out of me. :)

seanie_boy (Tyrone) - Posts: 4235 - 19/07/2016 15:53:58    1886424

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Replying To Damothedub:  "Are you posts actually sponsored by ladybird or Adams clothing for big babies and for the love of God are you capable of one post without using the word fair,"
Kurt Angle

In fact, I was full of praise for Michael Murphy when he was punched in the jaw by Kevin Keane last year and he didn't bat an eyelid.
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You're being sarcastic right? Or else there's another game were Keane actually did punch Murphy in the jaw? Because the one incident I do remember was Keane giving Murphy a bit of an oul light handed slap about the face. Was barely enough in it to get Murphys attention. Keane rightly saw the line for striking and big Murphy in fairness to him didn't make a meal of it like others do,including our own boys. To say it was a punch is to completely misrepresent what occurred.

seanie_boy (Tyrone) - Posts: 4235 - 19/07/2016 16:04:46    1886431

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Replying To seanie_boy:  "Kurt Angle

In fact, I was full of praise for Michael Murphy when he was punched in the jaw by Kevin Keane last year and he didn't bat an eyelid.
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You're being sarcastic right? Or else there's another game were Keane actually did punch Murphy in the jaw? Because the one incident I do remember was Keane giving Murphy a bit of an oul light handed slap about the face. Was barely enough in it to get Murphys attention. Keane rightly saw the line for striking and big Murphy in fairness to him didn't make a meal of it like others do,including our own boys. To say it was a punch is to completely misrepresent what occurred."
Murphy didn't go down, he just went to the umpire who saw it to make sure Keane got sent off.

Soma (UK) - Posts: 2630 - 19/07/2016 17:12:41    1886498

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Replying To seanie_boy:  "Kurt Angle

In fact, I was full of praise for Michael Murphy when he was punched in the jaw by Kevin Keane last year and he didn't bat an eyelid.
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You're being sarcastic right? Or else there's another game were Keane actually did punch Murphy in the jaw? Because the one incident I do remember was Keane giving Murphy a bit of an oul light handed slap about the face. Was barely enough in it to get Murphys attention. Keane rightly saw the line for striking and big Murphy in fairness to him didn't make a meal of it like others do,including our own boys. To say it was a punch is to completely misrepresent what occurred."
Wrong end of the stick my end , appoligies

Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts: 5193 - 19/07/2016 17:52:51    1886537

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Replying To befair:  "Honestly, just getting sick of this; watched 3 red cards (2 in Longford-Cork, 1 in Cavan-Meath). men going down like they were shot. The red cards were deserved, mind you, for stupidity if nothing else, and was obviously decisive for Derry. Used to be just Tyrone, now everyone is at it. Whatever happened to our game?"
Nobody ever dived in a Down jersey - highly unlikely would love to check but actually can't be bothered engaging with a few Down supporters with their anti-Tyrone/Ulster agenda - clearly they have nothing to do with their time since their county went to the dogs. Boring stuff really.

IrishGael3 (USA) - Posts: 1092 - 21/07/2016 22:42:28    1887955

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Replying To befair:  "In comparison, the great Mick Lyons https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T24eXGRZKv4"
Shows a difference alright, put hand to face and walked away, probably thinking I deserved that, lol, no falling theatrically to ground, now mick didn't have much hair so maybe if Oneill had ruffled it would have been different story.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 22/07/2016 09:14:45    1888018

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Replying To royaldunne:  "Shows a difference alright, put hand to face and walked away, probably thinking I deserved that, lol, no falling theatrically to ground, now mick didn't have much hair so maybe if Oneill had ruffled it would have been different story."
Is there a link to Brian Farrell's dive?

IrishGael3 (USA) - Posts: 1092 - 22/07/2016 09:32:17    1888026

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Not exactly related to red cards and sendings off but heres another area where the black card fiasco has had yet another negative influence on the game.

A black card offence is deliberately pulling down a player. But in reality from playing the game its a rare enough that you ended up being dragged down to the ground in a game of football, most times its never enough to actively drag you down.

But now if a player feels a pull or a drag its in the players interest to fall to the ground because a yellow is the worst that player can get and very rarely does he get that. So under our current farcical rules a slight pull on a player followed by a blatant dive to the ground means only one of those players is at risk of being sent off!

Is it any wonder players arent staying on their feet when the rules introduced make it worth their while not to stay on their feet.

tearintom (Wexford) - Posts: 1328 - 22/07/2016 09:40:21    1888032

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