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All Refs are Human and and have a life outside GAA

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TomsmithCavan here

In relation to errors made or perceived to be made by television pundits who have hours to do analysis I say all Referees are Human. All have a life outside of Football and I feel not one will make a deliberate error. What happened at the weekend could happen in a Junior C game in Cavan, Wicklow or Kerry next weekend
So support our Officials who do a great job

tomsmith (Cavan) - Posts: 3855 - 12/07/2016 00:14:01    1881485

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Replying To tomsmith:  "TomsmithCavan here

In relation to errors made or perceived to be made by television pundits who have hours to do analysis I say all Referees are Human. All have a life outside of Football and I feel not one will make a deliberate error. What happened at the weekend could happen in a Junior C game in Cavan, Wicklow or Kerry next weekend
So support our Officials who do a great job"
Well said Tom.

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7336 - 12/07/2016 05:57:15    1881503

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errors are never ever deliberate, thats why theyre called errors.
That doesnt mean that refs shouldnt be criticised.
My personal sympathies lie with the Fermanagh players whos season is now over as a result of cheating and incompetence.

joncarter (Galway) - Posts: 2692 - 12/07/2016 07:26:27    1881508

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I agree Tom. I think referees gets dogs abuse from people who would be afraid to pick up a whistle.

Pinkie (Wexford) - Posts: 4100 - 12/07/2016 08:41:21    1881519

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Replying To tomsmith:  "TomsmithCavan here

In relation to errors made or perceived to be made by television pundits who have hours to do analysis I say all Referees are Human. All have a life outside of Football and I feel not one will make a deliberate error. What happened at the weekend could happen in a Junior C game in Cavan, Wicklow or Kerry next weekend
So support our Officials who do a great job"
Are you Joe McQuillan in disguise ?

Nah but I do agree with ye.

Besides its not the referee id be fuming with after the penalty decision, its his umpires.

waynoI (Dublin) - Posts: 13650 - 12/07/2016 08:56:22    1881535

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Replying To tomsmith:  "TomsmithCavan here

In relation to errors made or perceived to be made by television pundits who have hours to do analysis I say all Referees are Human. All have a life outside of Football and I feel not one will make a deliberate error. What happened at the weekend could happen in a Junior C game in Cavan, Wicklow or Kerry next weekend
So support our Officials who do a great job"
That's very true. Joe got the decision wrong with AOS. He was codded into it. AOS and Che Cullen for his defending deserves all of the ridicule.

I wouldn't worry to much about it. Any refs I know have a thick skin and this wouldn't bother them one bit. Some of the criticism might not be right but if your a GAA ref you need to be able for it. That's the way our games are unfortunately.

If a ref is poor he's poor and it needs to be addressed properly.

daytona11 (Kildare) - Posts: 4012 - 12/07/2016 09:06:02    1881541

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Replying To joncarter:  "errors are never ever deliberate, thats why theyre called errors.
That doesnt mean that refs shouldnt be criticised.
My personal sympathies lie with the Fermanagh players whos season is now over as a result of cheating and incompetence."
You've 100% nailed it there

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 12/07/2016 09:56:36    1881563

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Replying To tomsmith:  "TomsmithCavan here

In relation to errors made or perceived to be made by television pundits who have hours to do analysis I say all Referees are Human. All have a life outside of Football and I feel not one will make a deliberate error. What happened at the weekend could happen in a Junior C game in Cavan, Wicklow or Kerry next weekend
So support our Officials who do a great job"
Of course they make mistakes but if a whole series of mistakes build up against one team you have to question the refs ability to be handling such a game. Refs put themselves forward to ref top games but a weak ref allows the home supporters to ref the game (as we saw at the weekend), so rightfully they should be open to criticism. Refs have a duty to players, who put their lives and perhaps those of their families on hold for 7 or 8 months, to put in, at the very least, an acceptable performance.

neverright (Roscommon) - Posts: 1648 - 12/07/2016 09:57:40    1881564

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I know its a thankless job but lets be honest some of the refs are terrible, McQuillian made numerous bad decisions other day and its simply not good enough, The peno was ridiculous and AOS should never have been on field at that stage after foul in middle of pitch should have resulted in second yellow.
If your not up for job don't do it. Refs need be rewarded for good performances and punished for bad ones. He shouldn't see another game this year

Pingcity (Longford) - Posts: 568 - 12/07/2016 09:58:07    1881566

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And some referees should never have decided to go down the referee road. Another club game the other night another incompetent display. Guy gets black for a yellow offence on one team, guy gets yellow for a black card offence on the other.

Offside_Rule (Antrim) - Posts: 4058 - 12/07/2016 09:58:56    1881567

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Fermanagh lost by 5, so no he didn't lose them the game.

However, I thought it was a clear penalty on first viewing, so did everyone around me. It is easy to be critical after 3-4 slow motion replays

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 12/07/2016 10:31:50    1881592

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Replying To TheMaster:  "Fermanagh lost by 5, so no he didn't lose them the game.

However, I thought it was a clear penalty on first viewing, so did everyone around me. It is easy to be critical after 3-4 slow motion replays"
Fermanagh were a point up at the time of the penalty. Also watching it on tv not a single slow motion replay was needed, you could clearly see he dived.

CroiGorm (Dublin) - Posts: 1547 - 12/07/2016 10:39:43    1881598

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Replying To TheMaster:  "Fermanagh lost by 5, so no he didn't lose them the game.

However, I thought it was a clear penalty on first viewing, so did everyone around me. It is easy to be critical after 3-4 slow motion replays"
The penalty goal was the deciding factor though as it changed the game in Mayo's favour. What happened afterwards was a direct result of that goal as it changed Fermanagh's mindset.

Cavan_Slasher (Cavan) - Posts: 10253 - 12/07/2016 10:43:29    1881601

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Replying To jimbodub:  "You've 100% nailed it there"
Having been at the match I would be inclined to say it was because they were beaten by a better team on the day, but sure there's no controversy in that.

Llaw_Gyffes (Mayo) - Posts: 1113 - 12/07/2016 10:48:14    1881607

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In relation to errors made or perceived to be made by television pundits who have hours to do analysis I say all Referees are Human. All have a life outside of Football and I feel not one will make a deliberate error. What happened at the weekend could happen in a Junior C game in Cavan, Wicklow or Kerry next weekend
So support our Officials who do a great job
tomsmith (Cavan) - Posts:2643 - 12/07/2016 00:14:01 What do you propose to support the officials in a better manner? What would you like done?

errors are never ever deliberate, thats why theyre called errors.
That doesnt mean that refs shouldnt be criticised.
My personal sympathies lie with the Fermanagh players whos season is now over as a result of cheating and incompetence.
joncarter (Galway) - Posts:2488 - 12/07/2016 07:26:27 But what do you propose then? How is the way referees are treated by the GAA right and how would you improve it?


That's very true. Joe got the decision wrong with AOS. He was codded into it. AOS and Che Cullen for his defending deserves all of the ridicule.
I wouldn't worry to much about it. Any refs I know have a thick skin and this wouldn't bother them one bit. Some of the criticism might not be right but if your a GAA ref you need to be able for it. That's the way our games are unfortunately.
If a ref is poor he's poor and it needs to be addressed properly.
daytona11 (Kildare) - Posts:3337 - 12/07/2016 09:06:02 That isn't good enough. Referees need a thick skin but the abuse referees get for doing GAA games either hurling/gaelic/camogie or ladies football is disgraceful and things need to change. Refs who are not good enough for a level need more training and to drop to a level they are more comfortable until they can try higher levels again but the way they are treated by supporters/coaches/players has to change immediately


And some referees should never have decided to go down the referee road. Another club game the other night another incompetent display. Guy gets black for a yellow offence on one team, guy gets yellow for a black card offence on the other.
Offside_Rule (Antrim) - Posts:2992 - 12/07/2016 09:58:56 Referees make mistakes. That's life. Just like every player and every coach makes them.

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 12/07/2016 10:53:32    1881611

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Obviously it isn't acceptable for a referee to receive abuse/threats etc. However, if a referee makes a mistake, fans are entitled to criticise his decision. Joe Mc Quillan had a shocker on Saturday, and not only did he make a huge mistake with the AOS penalty, but he also failed to send AOS off for repeated fouling. His performance was in line with the general poor standards of refereeing we have come to expect in the GAA in the past 10 years. It is time the GAA actually look to help referees, by introducing technology to assist them in making big decisions.

PK57 (Louth) - Posts: 1653 - 12/07/2016 11:06:12    1881621

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Replying To TheMaster:  "Fermanagh lost by 5, so no he didn't lose them the game.

However, I thought it was a clear penalty on first viewing, so did everyone around me. It is easy to be critical after 3-4 slow motion replays"
The referee signalled he gave the penalty for a jersey tug, which since none occurred, means he just guessed based on AOS going to ground.

PK57 (Louth) - Posts: 1653 - 12/07/2016 11:08:31    1881624

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How many on here have actually ever refereed a match? Not a first round game in the club's annual U10 blitz, but a proper sanctioned league/championship fixture at minor level or higher?

Eddie the Exile (Monaghan) - Posts: 1056 - 12/07/2016 11:19:45    1881634

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Replying To Eddie the Exile:  "How many on here have actually ever refereed a match? Not a first round game in the club's annual U10 blitz, but a proper sanctioned league/championship fixture at minor level or higher?"
Probably the same number who have slogged for months on end in harsh conditions for no money and then had their dreams dashed by someone who didnt even consult his umpires.

joncarter (Galway) - Posts: 2692 - 12/07/2016 11:26:00    1881637

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 Referees make mistakes. That's life. Just like every player and every coach makes them

Not talking one mistake though Ormond. But unlike life though, a player or coach who makes the same mistakes or isn't up to scratch will soon find themselves either not playing or coaching. With no accountability you reap what you sow and end up with poor referees frustrating players and spectators alike. But hey, let's not criticise them as I am sure they are good family men or give money to charity.

Offside_Rule (Antrim) - Posts: 4058 - 12/07/2016 11:56:16    1881667

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