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Joe loves to talk as we all know. In his paper pieces he preaches respect and talks about community GAA, a fabric that hold us all together and that there is more the sport than just winning. Yet on the Sunday game he (and others) appear to mock teams outside of the top 3/4. He once mocked Mayo for even bothar showing up against Cork in 2011..."When Cork beat Mayo" he said... Last weekend Joe and Colm were laughing their heads of at the Munster final and called it "not a real game" which was very disrespectful to Tipperary. And yesterday he called Roscommon useless. Joe and some other "experts" show a complete lack of disrespect to most county teams. Some of the stuff he comes out with is cringe worthy to say the least. Despite that I have great respect for him as a man, donating his lung and campaigning for organ donation etc. But come on Joe these are ameteur players who all go though the same training and hardship to wear their county jersey. yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 11227 - 11/07/2016 11:31:43 1880775 Link
Replying To yew_tree: "Joe loves to talk as we all know. In his paper pieces he preaches respect and talks about community GAA, a fabric that hold us all together and that there is more the sport than just winning. Yet on the Sunday game he (and others) appear to mock teams outside of the top 3/4. He once mocked Mayo for even bothar showing up against Cork in 2011..."When Cork beat Mayo" he said... Last weekend Joe and Colm were laughing their heads of at the Munster final and called it "not a real game" which was very disrespectful to Tipperary. And yesterday he called Roscommon useless. Joe and some other "experts" show a complete lack of disrespect to most county teams. Some of the stuff he comes out with is cringe worthy to say the least. Despite that I have great respect for him as a man, donating his lung and campaigning for organ donation etc. But come on Joe these are ameteur players who all go though the same training and hardship to wear their county jersey." Brolly has become a parody of himself at this stage, with the constant revising of his opinions, bandwagoning and sensationalism. IMO his targeting of Kieran McGeeney in particular was way, way below the belt. I also have a disliking for the way in which he publicly discloses the identities of GAA players who tell him things in private conversation: if they wanted their thoughts publicised, they would probably do it themselves. It's a shame really, as when he gets off his hobby horse he's capable of great insight and articulation. Gleebo (Mayo) - Posts: 2208 - 11/07/2016 12:00:06 1880819 Link
Do ever think some of the pundits like Joe Brolly spend more time vying for future senior positions within the GAA, rather than simply analysing the match in front of them? I specifically refer to a few of RTE's pundits, not all of them, just a few. A simple incident in a game turns into a shouting match about changing the rules within the GAA, and I wish they would just focus on the game and forget rule changes. Two teams who train all year, putting in a massive amount of effort, are then not even focused on properly, because a pundit want to publicise where he thinks rules changes are required. GaryMc82 (Derry) - Posts: 3017 - 12/07/2016 09:32:03 1881548 Link
Agreed on the airing of private conversations, that is not right and Im surprised they haven't said so to him. As for the opinions where he doesn't disclose the person speaking - are they even true? Id have no faith in them. To be honest, Im more surprised that people actually take anything he says seriously at all any more. More fool you. RTE use him too much to be honest. Small doses and he might be effective. All the time is a disaster. TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 12/07/2016 10:21:08 1881583 Link
Replying To GaryMc82: "Do ever think some of the pundits like Joe Brolly spend more time vying for future senior positions within the GAA, rather than simply analysing the match in front of them? I specifically refer to a few of RTE's pundits, not all of them, just a few. A simple incident in a game turns into a shouting match about changing the rules within the GAA, and I wish they would just focus on the game and forget rule changes. Two teams who train all year, putting in a massive amount of effort, are then not even focused on properly, because a pundit want to publicise where he thinks rules changes are required." If that's what they have in mind, then they're probably going the wrong way about it, Gary. The GAA tend not to reward mavericks or the outspoken with positions of authority- the culture is very much "to get along, go along". I do think that Brolly in particular seems to be at the forefront of some sort of battle for civilisation within the GAA, at least in his own mind. He frequently decries what he sees as an over-professionalisation of gaelic games, but ignores that fellas are signing up to it voluntarily. There are a few pundits, especially a couple on RTE, who just seem to want to run down the modern game and go out of their way to be insulting to players, coaches etc. Gleebo (Mayo) - Posts: 2208 - 12/07/2016 10:25:12 1881587 Link
Replying To TheMaster: "Agreed on the airing of private conversations, that is not right and Im surprised they haven't said so to him. As for the opinions where he doesn't disclose the person speaking - are they even true? Id have no faith in them. To be honest, Im more surprised that people actually take anything he says seriously at all any more. More fool you. RTE use him too much to be honest. Small doses and he might be effective. All the time is a disaster." I don't think it is just him, I Pat Spillane is another man who seems to mix an element of truth with wishful thinking. Pat gives some compliments to a team first, ending his sentence with a "But", and generally anything that comes before the "But" is meaningless, and only what comes after is his real thoughts. These men need to step back and look at how much funding each County has, how many full time underage coaches these counties have, and consider these things before making jibes at less well off Counties. GaryMc82 (Derry) - Posts: 3017 - 12/07/2016 10:34:46 1881595 Link
I do think that Brolly in particular seems to be at the forefront of some sort of battle for civilisation within the GAA, at least in his own mind. He frequently decries what he sees as an over-professionalisation of gaelic games, but ignores that fellas are signing up to it voluntarily. There are a few pundits, especially a couple on RTE, who just seem to want to run down the modern game and go out of their way to be insulting to players, coaches etc. Gleebo (Mayo) - Posts:783 - 12/07/2016 10:25:12 Yeah they are unfairly harsh sometimes in their criticism, maybe forgetting how much time and effort these players have put in behind the scenes. It's extremely hurtful to players who gave it their all since Christmas, only to lose one match and get ripped to shreds on the Sunday Game. Some of the older pundits definitely show contempt for the modern game, and while I still value their insight to games, sometimes their distain gets a bit too much, the constant slating of matches or teams/players. Teams are ultimately judged on whether or not they win matches and trophies, and this mentality has entered into the thinking of the modern game. Gaelic football is exceptionally tactical now, it requires the level of thinking normally reserved for playing a game of chess. Personally as a man who enjoys playing chess, I find the modern game of Gaelic football fascinating. All teams are well prepared in terms of fitness and conditioning, it then comes down to tactical awareness and execution of tactical plans. GaryMc82 (Derry) - Posts: 3017 - 12/07/2016 10:52:49 1881610 Link
Replying To GaryMc82: "I do think that Brolly in particular seems to be at the forefront of some sort of battle for civilisation within the GAA, at least in his own mind. He frequently decries what he sees as an over-professionalisation of gaelic games, but ignores that fellas are signing up to it voluntarily. There are a few pundits, especially a couple on RTE, who just seem to want to run down the modern game and go out of their way to be insulting to players, coaches etc. Gleebo (Mayo) - Posts:783 - 12/07/2016 10:25:12 Yeah they are unfairly harsh sometimes in their criticism, maybe forgetting how much time and effort these players have put in behind the scenes. It's extremely hurtful to players who gave it their all since Christmas, only to lose one match and get ripped to shreds on the Sunday Game. Some of the older pundits definitely show contempt for the modern game, and while I still value their insight to games, sometimes their distain gets a bit too much, the constant slating of matches or teams/players. Teams are ultimately judged on whether or not they win matches and trophies, and this mentality has entered into the thinking of the modern game. Gaelic football is exceptionally tactical now, it requires the level of thinking normally reserved for playing a game of chess. Personally as a man who enjoys playing chess, I find the modern game of Gaelic football fascinating. All teams are well prepared in terms of fitness and conditioning, it then comes down to tactical awareness and execution of tactical plans." Of course Brolly comes from the same stable as Dunphy and Hook. Having these guys works for RTE in increasing viewership. However Brolly does have a bee in his bonnet but there is an elephant in the room. He cant say directly what it is.... he knows what we all know about the huge amounts of money being paid to these so called expert managers, many of whom are as expert as the experts in other fields. But Brolly is a lawyer and knows he cant say it out for fear of litigation so he has to skirt round the issue. Look at how many counties have beggared themselves with the money being paid out under the counter to these guys. One or two counties the obvious examples over the years with aspirants queueing up in droves for the big cheque....... other counties managed their affairs more wisely. Indeed the same could be said of clubs. I remember a time about 25 years ago when a fleet of Derry managers invaded Tyrone and they had it all calculated down to how much bonus they should get for every game won...... Meanwhile Mr Cody has never accepted a penny !!!!!!! BIG SACKS (Tyrone) - Posts: 1681 - 12/07/2016 15:15:33 1881896 Link
Think Bolly's(and Spillane's) comments were aimed more at their former RTE colleague than at Ros players. liner (Mayo) - Posts: 756 - 12/07/2016 18:40:00 1882047 Link
Replying To GaryMc82: "I don't think it is just him, I Pat Spillane is another man who seems to mix an element of truth with wishful thinking. Pat gives some compliments to a team first, ending his sentence with a "But", and generally anything that comes before the "But" is meaningless, and only what comes after is his real thoughts. These men need to step back and look at how much funding each County has, how many full time underage coaches these counties have, and consider these things before making jibes at less well off Counties." Spot on about Pat "Butt" Spillane lol. seanie_boy (Tyrone) - Posts: 4235 - 12/07/2016 19:56:37 1882076 Link
I just find him quite depressing to listen to. It's clear he has no real love for the game today and listening to someone just complain non-stop about everything and anything to do with the sport is just exhausting. ZeitChrist (UK) - Posts: 154 - 13/07/2016 09:33:47 1882326 Link
Replying To ZeitChrist: "I just find him quite depressing to listen to. It's clear he has no real love for the game today and listening to someone just complain non-stop about everything and anything to do with the sport is just exhausting." He advocated very strongly for the black card. Then when it was introduced he was ecstatic, spoke about this measure catapulting Gaelic football to the next level of sophistication and entertainment value, then very soon began to moan about football being boring and in crisis. I really cannot take the man seriously when he opens his mouth on football matters PoolSturgeon (Galway) - Posts: 1902 - 13/07/2016 09:57:28 1882341 Link
You have to remember that his attacks on Sean Cavanagh got the black card pushed through and what a disaster that has been. At the time he told us it was going to solve everything as teams wouldn't have time to set up their blanket defence without tactical fouling. He never mentions the black card now. The shame is that he is a good analyst when he sticks to talking about the game in front of him, however he rarely does that anymore, instead going on these generlised rants about how bad gaelic football is. Green_Gold (Donegal) - Posts: 1873 - 13/07/2016 10:03:45 1882347 Link
Replying To GaryMc82: "Do ever think some of the pundits like Joe Brolly spend more time vying for future senior positions within the GAA, rather than simply analysing the match in front of them? I specifically refer to a few of RTE's pundits, not all of them, just a few. A simple incident in a game turns into a shouting match about changing the rules within the GAA, and I wish they would just focus on the game and forget rule changes. Two teams who train all year, putting in a massive amount of effort, are then not even focused on properly, because a pundit want to publicise where he thinks rules changes are required." I think we all wish that Gary. It seems to be only RTe who persue this type of punditry. no other chanell do it, they just analyse the game, which is what people want. s goldrick (Cavan) - Posts: 5518 - 13/07/2016 14:03:44 1882518 Link
Anyone listen to the Off The Ball podcast with him this week? I'd say in the first 14 minutes he spoke for 13 of them and would not allow anyone in....Billy Joe Padden gets about 40 seconds and then Joes off again... RunOfThePigs (Donegal) - Posts: 131 - 14/07/2016 10:46:24 1882964 Link
Replying To RunOfThePigs: "Anyone listen to the Off The Ball podcast with him this week? I'd say in the first 14 minutes he spoke for 13 of them and would not allow anyone in....Billy Joe Padden gets about 40 seconds and then Joes off again..." And the effin and blinding he does on a public radio show, you would think someone with his education could watch his language on air. He will be doing a Dumphy next telling some one to eff off on live TV. The man's a caricature at this stage, all ego no substance. But hey sure that's all people want these days, from politics to journalism to sport - sensationalism regardless or whether its fact or fiction TheHermit (Kerry) - Posts: 6354 - 14/07/2016 10:56:54 1882972 Link