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How do folks see this one going?
keeper7 (Longford) - Posts: 4088 - 01/07/2016 15:52:26
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Cork hurling is reeling after both their minor and U21's departed the championship in front of their own this week.Hopes were high for the minors with lots of good work being done at underage over the last couple of years.Being outscored 0-14 to 0-3 in the last 20 minutes by Tipp has hurt.I feel the senior team will be desperate to avoid all Cork's mens teams gone from the championship in early July.
Dublin have named a strong team.If Dublin can replicate some of the league form and the high standard of hurling v Wexford i give them a big chance.Cork is not as daunting as it once was but i give the home side the nod.Cork by 2.
cuederocket (Dublin) - Posts: 5084 - 01/07/2016 16:06:24
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Well. This week has been desperate so far.
We came up against a top class Limerick under 21 team. There is no shame in losing to them. A bit easy for them perhaps.
The Munster minor championship is a joke. 5 teams with a backdoor! It is ridiculous. It should be a league system - they play heaps of challenge games anyway. We won a game, we lost a game and that is our season after about 70 training sessions. This is not being a sore loser. Fair play to Tipp but this is no competition to keep young lads interested in the sport.
Regards tomorrow, Cork and Dublin are probably ranked somewhere between the 6th and 8th best teams in the country. Both teams could still win the All-Ireland. It is sport. Leicester climbed from bottom of 20 teams to the top in 17 months so it can be done. Cork and Dublin have further to travel in this regard. Cork had a disastrous league in 2013 (got relegated) and got to within 20 seconds and 20mm of being AI champions in the same year.
The above said, the erratic form of Dublin and the really poor from of Cork since August 2014 means that, in reality, it is extremely unlikely that any of these teams will progress much further than the round after this.
Ger Cunningham will be under pressure, unfairly in my opinion, to get a result. Dublin were erratic under Daly also. I think Cunningham should be given plenty of time in Dublin. They had a good league last year with some impressive results. They had a decent championship in the end too (nothing spectac ular)
Kieran Kingston is not under any pressure really (in that his job is 100% safe regardless of result tomorrow). I think he was brave is clearing out the panel and bringing a good lot of young lads into the squad (at the expense of Paudie Sull, Pa Cronin, Moylan etc). He missed the opportunity to go one step further and through a whole load of them in against Tipp. As I said, that was a meaningless game and should have been used accordingly. The side has yet to be named but what do you do with a team that is mentally scarred? He built up the Tipp game to be worth way more than what it was - he sacrificed the early season for it and they got hammered. He went to the well with the same players that were hammered before. The team is yet to be named. I don't expect surprises.
Predicting the result tomorrow is not easy. There isn't much form with any of these teams. I'll go with Cork as we are at home. I don't say it with conviction though.
Our county board executive have promised a full discussion of hurling in Cork. They postponed it until after this week. I guess they hoped a few good results might calm some people down (angry about how rubbish our intercounty teams are when we are spending €80 million on a stadium that nobody wants). Events this week thus far will have only angered people further. A bad result tomorrow will deepen the anger. Clubs are beginning to rise up here slowly...
bennybunny (Cork) - Posts: 3917 - 01/07/2016 17:32:39
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Replying To bennybunny: "Well. This week has been desperate so far.
We came up against a top class Limerick under 21 team. There is no shame in losing to them. A bit easy for them perhaps.
The Munster minor championship is a joke. 5 teams with a backdoor! It is ridiculous. It should be a league system - they play heaps of challenge games anyway. We won a game, we lost a game and that is our season after about 70 training sessions. This is not being a sore loser. Fair play to Tipp but this is no competition to keep young lads interested in the sport.
Regards tomorrow, Cork and Dublin are probably ranked somewhere between the 6th and 8th best teams in the country. Both teams could still win the All-Ireland. It is sport. Leicester climbed from bottom of 20 teams to the top in 17 months so it can be done. Cork and Dublin have further to travel in this regard. Cork had a disastrous league in 2013 (got relegated) and got to within 20 seconds and 20mm of being AI champions in the same year.
The above said, the erratic form of Dublin and the really poor from of Cork since August 2014 means that, in reality, it is extremely unlikely that any of these teams will progress much further than the round after this.
Ger Cunningham will be under pressure, unfairly in my opinion, to get a result. Dublin were erratic under Daly also. I think Cunningham should be given plenty of time in Dublin. They had a good league last year with some impressive results. They had a decent championship in the end too (nothing spectac ular)
Kieran Kingston is not under any pressure really (in that his job is 100% safe regardless of result tomorrow). I think he was brave is clearing out the panel and bringing a good lot of young lads into the squad (at the expense of Paudie Sull, Pa Cronin, Moylan etc). He missed the opportunity to go one step further and through a whole load of them in against Tipp. As I said, that was a meaningless game and should have been used accordingly. The side has yet to be named but what do you do with a team that is mentally scarred? He built up the Tipp game to be worth way more than what it was - he sacrificed the early season for it and they got hammered. He went to the well with the same players that were hammered before. The team is yet to be named. I don't expect surprises.
Predicting the result tomorrow is not easy. There isn't much form with any of these teams. I'll go with Cork as we are at home. I don't say it with conviction though.
Our county board executive have promised a full discussion of hurling in Cork. They postponed it until after this week. I guess they hoped a few good results might calm some people down (angry about how rubbish our intercounty teams are when we are spending €80 million on a stadium that nobody wants). Events this week thus far will have only angered people further. A bad result tomorrow will deepen the anger. Clubs are beginning to rise up here slowly..." 80 MILLION......!!
How much of this is coming from the GAA?
What sort of money is Cork GAA putting into it?
jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 01/07/2016 17:46:22
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Replying To bennybunny: "Well. This week has been desperate so far.
We came up against a top class Limerick under 21 team. There is no shame in losing to them. A bit easy for them perhaps.
The Munster minor championship is a joke. 5 teams with a backdoor! It is ridiculous. It should be a league system - they play heaps of challenge games anyway. We won a game, we lost a game and that is our season after about 70 training sessions. This is not being a sore loser. Fair play to Tipp but this is no competition to keep young lads interested in the sport.
Regards tomorrow, Cork and Dublin are probably ranked somewhere between the 6th and 8th best teams in the country. Both teams could still win the All-Ireland. It is sport. Leicester climbed from bottom of 20 teams to the top in 17 months so it can be done. Cork and Dublin have further to travel in this regard. Cork had a disastrous league in 2013 (got relegated) and got to within 20 seconds and 20mm of being AI champions in the same year.
The above said, the erratic form of Dublin and the really poor from of Cork since August 2014 means that, in reality, it is extremely unlikely that any of these teams will progress much further than the round after this.
Ger Cunningham will be under pressure, unfairly in my opinion, to get a result. Dublin were erratic under Daly also. I think Cunningham should be given plenty of time in Dublin. They had a good league last year with some impressive results. They had a decent championship in the end too (nothing spectac ular)
Kieran Kingston is not under any pressure really (in that his job is 100% safe regardless of result tomorrow). I think he was brave is clearing out the panel and bringing a good lot of young lads into the squad (at the expense of Paudie Sull, Pa Cronin, Moylan etc). He missed the opportunity to go one step further and through a whole load of them in against Tipp. As I said, that was a meaningless game and should have been used accordingly. The side has yet to be named but what do you do with a team that is mentally scarred? He built up the Tipp game to be worth way more than what it was - he sacrificed the early season for it and they got hammered. He went to the well with the same players that were hammered before. The team is yet to be named. I don't expect surprises.
Predicting the result tomorrow is not easy. There isn't much form with any of these teams. I'll go with Cork as we are at home. I don't say it with conviction though.
Our county board executive have promised a full discussion of hurling in Cork. They postponed it until after this week. I guess they hoped a few good results might calm some people down (angry about how rubbish our intercounty teams are when we are spending €80 million on a stadium that nobody wants). Events this week thus far will have only angered people further. A bad result tomorrow will deepen the anger. Clubs are beginning to rise up here slowly..." Good post benny.
cuederocket (Dublin) - Posts: 5084 - 01/07/2016 17:56:03
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This is is what Pairc Ui Chaoimh looks like now!
The estimated cost is now €78 million. The government are putting up €30 million.
bennybunny (Cork) - Posts: 3917 - 01/07/2016 19:27:37
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Ger Cunningham will be under pressure, unfairly in my opinion, to get a result. Dublin were erratic under Daly also. I think Cunningham should be given plenty of time in Dublin. They had a good league last year with some impressive results. They had a decent championship in the end too (nothing spectac ular)
I'd agree with all of your post regarding where we are at the moment but I cannot go along with the above.
Yes we were somewhat erratic under Daly but we were also contenders who looked like we were going somewhere when we got a bit of a role going.For me at the minute there is no sense that were are anywhere near good enough to compete with top teams and with the players who have stepped away I would be very surprised if they are entirely happy with the set up under Cunningham.Not near a Leinster or league title standard anymore.
Dubh_linn (Dublin) - Posts: 2312 - 01/07/2016 21:11:54
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What a huge game. I was at the tipp cork game and I really didn't think cork would be as poor. There backs get plenty of criticism but for me their forwards just aren't putting in any defensive work what so ever. Certainly didn't against tipp. I don't mean getting mean getting back behind the ball but putting serious pressure on their markers clearing ball. Don't think I seen them attempt to get a block in that day.
From a Dublin point of view the game is as big. The years have gone by and they have improved only to slip and then improve again and slip again!
It's a huge game for both teams for the future of not this year.
I have a feeling that cork will win this by 5-6 points. For some reason I don't see Dublin coming away out of this one with a win and cork will put up a idly big pints tally.
tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 01/07/2016 23:41:13
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Dublin have named a strong team.If Dublin can replicate some of the league form and the high standard of hurling v Wexford i give them a big chance.Cork is not as daunting as it once was but i give the home side the nod.Cork by 2.
cuederocket (Dublin) - Posts:4431 - 01/07/2016 16:06:24
We're going to do it cueder.
Dubs by 5/6 imo.
If we can't beat this Cork team then we will never ever beat Cork in the Championship.
MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13707 - 02/07/2016 09:30:16
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Replying To Dubh_linn: "Ger Cunningham will be under pressure, unfairly in my opinion, to get a result. Dublin were erratic under Daly also. I think Cunningham should be given plenty of time in Dublin. They had a good league last year with some impressive results. They had a decent championship in the end too (nothing spectac ular)
I'd agree with all of your post regarding where we are at the moment but I cannot go along with the above.
Yes we were somewhat erratic under Daly but we were also contenders who looked like we were going somewhere when we got a bit of a role going.For me at the minute there is no sense that were are anywhere near good enough to compete with top teams and with the players who have stepped away I would be very surprised if they are entirely happy with the set up under Cunningham.Not near a Leinster or league title standard anymore." Fair enough Dubh Linn. I guess part of me wants Ger Cunningham to do well. I think he was the greatest goalkeeper to ever play the sport and did a fantastic job when involved with Cork. Apart from my obvious bias, I do think you were up and down as well under Daly. Under Cunningham the results have not been terribly different if you look very closely - Daly did deliver two trophies I suppose (had much longer) and that stands out. I can't comment on how happy your players are. I don't know enough about that. It would be untenable I suppose. I hope that is not the case.
Welcome to Cork to anyone that is coming down. I think the atmosphere will be strange - may be strange - when you get here. We obviously want to win. But from talking to people and reading the PROC and other forums, the public are demanding conditions of the victory - no sweeper, no constant short puck outs.. People tend not to complain when winning but we are used to winning (historically) and now we are not. If Dublin are in the game late on (I expect them to be) and Cork engage in that muck we could have a disgruntled home support.. A not very supportive support.. This could be to Dublin advantage
bennybunny (Cork) - Posts: 3917 - 02/07/2016 09:45:57
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Replying To bennybunny: "Fair enough Dubh Linn. I guess part of me wants Ger Cunningham to do well. I think he was the greatest goalkeeper to ever play the sport and did a fantastic job when involved with Cork. Apart from my obvious bias, I do think you were up and down as well under Daly. Under Cunningham the results have not been terribly different if you look very closely - Daly did deliver two trophies I suppose (had much longer) and that stands out. I can't comment on how happy your players are. I don't know enough about that. It would be untenable I suppose. I hope that is not the case.
Welcome to Cork to anyone that is coming down. I think the atmosphere will be strange - may be strange - when you get here. We obviously want to win. But from talking to people and reading the PROC and other forums, the public are demanding conditions of the victory - no sweeper, no constant short puck outs.. People tend not to complain when winning but we are used to winning (historically) and now we are not. If Dublin are in the game late on (I expect them to be) and Cork engage in that muck we could have a disgruntled home support.. A not very supportive support.. This could be to Dublin advantage" Benny,when talking about Daly you have to to realise where Dublin hurling was coming from.No history of success in 50 years.A very low base.Little support.He gave the players the belief needed to win a League Div 1 title and a Leinster championship.A brilliant achievement.
cuederocket (Dublin) - Posts: 5084 - 02/07/2016 10:05:32
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Replying To cuederocket: "Benny,when talking about Daly you have to to realise where Dublin hurling was coming from.No history of success in 50 years.A very low base.Little support.He gave the players the belief needed to win a League Div 1 title and a Leinster championship.A brilliant achievement." 100% agree. Daly is brilliant. If there was ever even a remote chance that Cork would have an outside coach, I would choose him. A very personable, likeable chap it seems (which can't be said for all inter County managers). My point is just that people should be more patient with Cunningham. He is a winner. You said that Dublin have come from a low base with no success. All the more reason to be patient. Let's see what happens tonight first anyway. We discuss managerial change later.
bennybunny (Cork) - Posts: 3917 - 02/07/2016 14:50:21
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Am I banned from this topic? 2 or 3 times attempts at posting and nothing??
Brianmac78 (Dublin) - Posts: 1168 - 02/07/2016 17:11:56
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So your not allowed shoulder someone hard anymore ? Shocking decision to ruin a game, Nicky English you need to go to spec savers not once did his shoulder connect with his head. I can't take these officials anymore it's gone beyond a joke.
clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 02/07/2016 19:37:43
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Good game so far.Looks like we're up against it now and down to 14. Don't think there was any intent in the challenge but just connected a bit high.
Goal could prove the difference.
Dubh_linn (Dublin) - Posts: 2312 - 02/07/2016 19:45:51
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Hard luck to our boys, man sent off cost us, well done to Cork, badly needed for them!
realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 8589 - 02/07/2016 20:37:24
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Connected high he's 6 foot 5 were else can he connect? He hit him a hard shoulder and gets sent off wtf??? Twice now that Cork team have been blessed against us even with 14 men and in their place we gave them loads of it.
clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 02/07/2016 20:38:05
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Disappointing to be out after great effort.No shame in that exit thank God after many sub standard efforts.
By the way,it doesn't matter what height you are.He made a mistake initially with the hand pass and then got unlucky with the follow up when there wasn't any danger.Cork will be glad to get out of there tonight.
Dubh_linn (Dublin) - Posts: 2312 - 02/07/2016 20:49:35
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Proud of the boys tonight. Huge effort and by far the more composed team. They had those men in Horgan and cardigan to get them out of trouble. Chris was unlucky he intended shoulder to shoulder cork man ducked into the tackle. We'd have won had SChutte Dillon not gone missing and had plunkett not been the man with ball in hand at 69 minutes
Looking forward to next season.
Brianmac78 (Dublin) - Posts: 1168 - 02/07/2016 20:54:02
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Dubh Linn tell me what Chris's shoulder connected with?
clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 02/07/2016 21:06:11
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