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I am a bit surprised that people from a GAA background who take up the sport from across the water of association football would not want to follow in the footsteps of James McClean in playing for the 32 county team.
http://www.hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=257102
I don't see the need any match on Saturday to be moved. The 32 county team is playing on Sunday. Our national anthem will be played before our 32 county team takes on France.
In the Oympics, the majority of people on the island of Ireland represent Ireland, some people on the island Ireland opt to represent Great Britain. There is no need to the GAA to move games for people who if Great Britain were entering a team in Euro 2016, those people would have their allegiances with the GB team.
legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7840 - 23/06/2016 18:40:22
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Replying To legendzxix: "http://www.hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=257087 I am a bit surprised that people from a GAA background who take up the sport from across the water of association football would not want to follow in the footsteps of James McClean in playing for the 32 county team. http://www.hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=257102I don't see the need any match on Saturday to be moved. The 32 county team is playing on Sunday. Our national anthem will be played before our 32 county team takes on France. In the Oympics, the majority of people on the island of Ireland represent Ireland, some people on the island Ireland opt to represent Great Britain. There is no need to the GAA to move games for people who if Great Britain were entering a team in Euro 2016, those people would have their allegiances with the GB team."
There isn't much need for the GAA match to be refixed.
I hope they do well and all, I think Michael O'Neill lined out for my club from home when he was younger.
There's only one Ireland I properly care about though and they'll be playing France at 2 on Sunday.
Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4217 - 23/06/2016 19:46:24
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I have to congratulate the Derry boys who have opted for Rep of Ireland---- Shane Duffy Darren Gibson and the man himself James mcClean So it is getting like a 32 county team and I'd say the Derry boys would want that. No Union flags or union jacks for them boys
I did not see the game and I'm not as interested in soccer as I'm in Gaelic but I'd follow a team with a man like James mcClean playing for it.
I think that around five of the panel come from Derry /Donegal with C Clarke having family ties with Donegal So it great for the North West and a soccer sixty like Derry.
And you people on here can grumble , run down the Nordys and give out about Ulster teams but when the ROI are playing soccer the orange white and green Ulster men are some of the Republic biggest supporters
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Just saw in the Irish news today a photo of Martin MC Guinness with James mcClean before the game yesterday. What with Martin o Neill as the manager, another Derry man and ex GAA man there will probably be more young Six county lads wanting to play for the R OI
On a more somber I also saw that relatives and one survivor of the 1994 killings of six catholic men watched yesterday's game. The 1994 game was also between ROI and Italy
SamOnErrigal (Donegal) - Posts: 1427 - 23/06/2016 20:31:44
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Correct Legend, ive had many rows with people up here over the years, not even from a GAA background, but simply nationalists, ultimately justifying it purely for money.
They will go on about it being a recognition issue with them playing international football but ultimately we know why they do it and that is for their next contract negotiation.
I have never set foot in Windsor Park and never will, yet I live about a few hundred yards from it. I refuse to even acknowledge their team or state and can never understand how or why players born in West Belfast in particular could even consider pulling that jersey on.
Liam Boyce for example (ex cliftonville player, from Divis area in lower falls and GAA player for Davitts btw) was chased out of Windsor Park about a year or 2 ago when he and another Catholic player, cant remember his name, went to watch a Linfield v Glentoran/Crusaders match.
He has since pulled on the 'Norn Irn' jersey and probably been cheered by the very people who chased him.
Anton Rogan was another ex GAA man from West Belfast as was Jim Magilton, Gerry Armstrong and Mal Donaghy.
However, there were 2 lesser known lads Gerard Crossley (ex Celtic) and Daniel Kearns who hailed from West Belfast and declared for 26 counties and I have the utmost respect for them along with the 4 Derry lads and Marc Wilson.
Thankfully some have principles!
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The Irish news interview with J MC Cleans father and he says there must be something in the air up in Derry and Donegal with the boys playing so well
Very proud of the boys from the North west but must also say well done to all the squad and please more success if possible.
Also forgot about M Wilson and with J mcCarthy's grandfather from GWEEDORE and so is A McGeedy's grandad from GWEEDORE so I expect a big interest in one side of Glasgow watching the ROI
We can see what partition has done to this country and when you see players born in Scotland and the six counties and wanting to play and declaring for the ROI and that's after almost 100 years then you can see the failure it was.
By the way why do the powers that be in the GAA not have a good look at Belfast/Antrim and give them some financial help and investment similar to what they done in Dublin over the last 5/10 years
Support our fellow Irish men and women who were left at the mercy of a sectarian state for over 70 odd years
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Well done to Michael O'Neill.Norn Iron were terrific. A breath of fresh air. Great to see former GAA men McGovern and McGinn perform so well.
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Replying To legendzxix: "http://www.hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=257087
I am a bit surprised that people from a GAA background who take up the sport from across the water of association football would not want to follow in the footsteps of James McClean in playing for the 32 county team.
http://www.hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=257102
I don't see the need any match on Saturday to be moved. The 32 county team is playing on Sunday. Our national anthem will be played before our 32 county team takes on France.
In the Oympics, the majority of people on the island of Ireland represent Ireland, some people on the island Ireland opt to represent Great Britain. There is no need to the GAA to move games for people who if Great Britain were entering a team in Euro 2016, those people would have their allegiances with the GB team." oh give it a rest
s goldrick (Cavan) - Posts: 5518 - 26/06/2016 00:01:35
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Replying To SamOnErrigal: "The Irish news interview with J MC Cleans father and he says there must be something in the air up in Derry and Donegal with the boys playing so well
Very proud of the boys from the North west but must also say well done to all the squad and please more success if possible.
Also forgot about M Wilson and with J mcCarthy's grandfather from GWEEDORE and so is A McGeedy's grandad from GWEEDORE so I expect a big interest in one side of Glasgow watching the ROI
We can see what partition has done to this country and when you see players born in Scotland and the six counties and wanting to play and declaring for the ROI and that's after almost 100 years then you can see the failure it was.
By the way why do the powers that be in the GAA not have a good look at Belfast/Antrim and give them some financial help and investment similar to what they done in Dublin over the last 5/10 years
Support our fellow Irish men and women who were left at the mercy of a sectarian state for over 70 odd years" Nach í Gaoth Dobhair ainm na háite?
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MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13707 - 26/06/2016 00:22:31
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Replying To bumpernut: "Correct Legend, ive had many rows with people up here over the years, not even from a GAA background, but simply nationalists, ultimately justifying it purely for money.
They will go on about it being a recognition issue with them playing international football but ultimately we know why they do it and that is for their next contract negotiation.
I have never set foot in Windsor Park and never will, yet I live about a few hundred yards from it. I refuse to even acknowledge their team or state and can never understand how or why players born in West Belfast in particular could even consider pulling that jersey on.
Liam Boyce for example (ex cliftonville player, from Divis area in lower falls and GAA player for Davitts btw) was chased out of Windsor Park about a year or 2 ago when he and another Catholic player, cant remember his name, went to watch a Linfield v Glentoran/Crusaders match.
He has since pulled on the 'Norn Irn' jersey and probably been cheered by the very people who chased him.
Anton Rogan was another ex GAA man from West Belfast as was Jim Magilton, Gerry Armstrong and Mal Donaghy.
However, there were 2 lesser known lads Gerard Crossley (ex Celtic) and Daniel Kearns who hailed from West Belfast and declared for 26 counties and I have the utmost respect for them along with the 4 Derry lads and Marc Wilson.
Thankfully some have principles!" I seem to be very much in the minority but I would the the RoI association football international team as representing the island of Ireland as does the GAA International Rules team. I don't see why people would see it as "declared for 26 counties". James McClean, Marc Wilson, Darron Gibson and Shane Duffy make my point for me.
The IFA went to the Court of Arbitration for Sport to try and stop the likes of Gibson and Duffy representing the island of Ireland. The IFA were defeated.
legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7840 - 26/06/2016 13:00:25
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Marc Wilson played club football for St. mary's Aghagallon and minor for Antrim , injury prevented him from joining the Irish team with O'Neill and keane...
Other current 32 county players are
James Mc Clean - club football with Doire Colmcille in Derry City
Euan O'Kane Club hurling and football for Banager in Derry
Shane Duffy clubf football fof Faughvale in Derry i think
Darren Randolph - club underage for Bray Emmets
Seamus Coleman - U-16/minor Killbegs, Donegal
I don't know about Darren Gibson!!1 But Martin O'Neill won McRory Cup, and played Co. Minor/U-21 and 1 senior game for Derry
for the 6 county team- Michael O'Neill played for Ballymena All Saints and U-16/minor for Antrim. His dad won 2 Co Armagh championship medals with St. Malachy's.
Mc Govern won McRory Cup with St. Michael's Enniskillen and McGinn played minor /U-21 with Tyrone....
cuchulainn35 (Armagh) - Posts: 1673 - 26/06/2016 16:46:06
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Tom1916 - Niall McGinn wasn't in the line-up against Wales and Paddy McCourt wasn't even on the plane.
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Replying To Offside_Rule: "Tom1916 - Niall McGinn wasn't in the line-up against Wales and Paddy McCourt wasn't even on the plane." Both have previousy sang and stood for the british national anthem while facing the old stormont regimes loyalist flag when representing the 6 county soccer team.
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Replying To Offside_Rule: "Tom1916 - Niall McGinn wasn't in the line-up against Wales and Paddy McCourt wasn't even on the plane." I think Niall Mcginn did come on against wales.
s goldrick (Cavan) - Posts: 5518 - 27/06/2016 11:06:43
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Aye but that was an answer to Tom on the closed topic which I didn't get to reply to before it was closed. Pool_Sturgeon had said about certain players singing the anthem , I pointed out he was incorrect, Tom came in to say that McGinn and McCourt sang. I am just showing how it is him who is incorrect as one wasn't in the line up for the anthem and the other wasn't even on the plane.
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Replying To Tom1916: "Both have previousy sang and stood for the british national anthem while facing the old stormont regimes loyalist flag when representing the 6 county soccer team." Aye but that's not what was being discussed. Go and read the conversation we were having again. It was the Wales game was being talked about. Incidentally, which games are you talking about?
Offside_Rule (Antrim) - Posts: 4058 - 27/06/2016 11:28:36
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Replying To Offside_Rule: "Aye but that's not what was being discussed. Go and read the conversation we were having again. It was the Wales game was being talked about. Incidentally, which games are you talking about?" Don't agree with you. You would see another Ireland fund set up with American, EU and British slush fund thrown at it to ease the transition. It wouldn't "cost" the Republic anything in the long run. But the mentality on both sides of the border would need to change hugely for it to work. Obviously they'd have to divide parliament 50/50 between Belfast and Dublin for starters. But when I see Northern Ireland soccer players from a Catholic and presumably nationalist background singing "God Save the Queen" as much as their teammates from a unionist background, it makes me think it's a far fetched notion even in the long term.
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I can't seem to find any reference to Wales in this comment, seems to be a general comment that catholic players from the 6 counties sing gstq as their anthem.
Have you any reason why they wouldn't sing the national anthem of the team they represent, seems a bit odd if they didn't after all they stand and face the loyalist flag and recognise partition.
Tom1916 (Armagh) - Posts: 2001 - 27/06/2016 11:54:22
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Replying To SamOnErrigal: "I have to congratulate the Derry boys who have opted for Rep of Ireland---- Shane Duffy Darren Gibson and the man himself James mcClean So it is getting like a 32 county team and I'd say the Derry boys would want that. No Union flags or union jacks for them boys
I did not see the game and I'm not as interested in soccer as I'm in Gaelic but I'd follow a team with a man like James mcClean playing for it.
I think that around five of the panel come from Derry /Donegal with C Clarke having family ties with Donegal So it great for the North West and a soccer sixty like Derry.
And you people on here can grumble , run down the Nordys and give out about Ulster teams but when the ROI are playing soccer the orange white and green Ulster men are some of the Republic biggest supporters" Agree with all of that (except we're Ireland, not ROI unless you work for Sky or ITV). I've got maximum for James McClean and contempt for all the apologists out there who think he should wear a poppy despite his beliefs because he's collecting a pay cheque on the mainland, "time to move on" and all that rubbish. Very pleased he effectively told them to stick it up their a***.
MedwayIrish (Wexford) - Posts: 2324 - 27/06/2016 12:05:02
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Replying To Tom1916: "Don't agree with you. You would see another Ireland fund set up with American, EU and British slush fund thrown at it to ease the transition. It wouldn't "cost" the Republic anything in the long run. But the mentality on both sides of the border would need to change hugely for it to work. Obviously they'd have to divide parliament 50/50 between Belfast and Dublin for starters. But when I see Northern Ireland soccer players from a Catholic and presumably nationalist background singing "God Save the Queen" as much as their teammates from a unionist background, it makes me think it's a far fetched notion even in the long term.
PoolSturgeon (Galway) - Posts:366 - 25/06/2016 17:22:28 18
I can't seem to find any reference to Wales in this comment, seems to be a general comment that catholic players from the 6 counties sing gstq as their anthem.
Have you any reason why they wouldn't sing the national anthem of the team they represent, seems a bit odd if they didn't after all they stand and face the loyalist flag and recognise partition." Well let me help you there Tom:
Me: Which Norn Iron Catholic you talking about Pool Sturgeon out of interest as I watched the anthems.
Pool: Oh maybe I am mistaken so Offside. I don't know the NI players but all of them except the goalkeeper seemed to be singing. Just assumed there would be at least 3 or 4 from a nationalist background in the starting line up. Very happy if I am wrong!
Me: No worries Pool - McGovern the only one in the lineup. Well, not sure what religion the English guys playing are but regardless being English born wouldn't think it strange even if they are Catholic as it is their de facto anthem I suppose.
Pool: No need to be so narky Ulsterman. I looked at it again and noticed that 9 of the 11 players sang GSTQ. If as Offside says, none of those 9 come from a nationalist background I'm delighted to hear it.
You (replying to first 'me' above): Niall MCGinn, Pat McCourt both sang it, one of them is part owner of a restaurant on the falls road and it was festooned with GAA and Ireland flags yet the owner pledges allegiance to britain, bizarre!!
You (replying to first 'Pool' above): You are correct PoolSurgeon
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Replying To Offside_Rule: " Replying To Tom1916: "Don't agree with you. You would see another Ireland fund set up with American, EU and British slush fund thrown at it to ease the transition. It wouldn't "cost" the Republic anything in the long run. But the mentality on both sides of the border would need to change hugely for it to work. Obviously they'd have to divide parliament 50/50 between Belfast and Dublin for starters. But when I see Northern Ireland soccer players from a Catholic and presumably nationalist background singing "God Save the Queen" as much as their teammates from a unionist background, it makes me think it's a far fetched notion even in the long term.
PoolSturgeon (Galway) - Posts:366 - 25/06/2016 17:22:28 18
I can't seem to find any reference to Wales in this comment, seems to be a general comment that catholic players from the 6 counties sing gstq as their anthem.
Have you any reason why they wouldn't sing the national anthem of the team they represent, seems a bit odd if they didn't after all they stand and face the loyalist flag and recognise partition." Well let me help you there Tom: Me: Which Norn Iron Catholic you talking about Pool Sturgeon out of interest as I watched the anthems. Pool: Oh maybe I am mistaken so Offside. I don't know the NI players but all of them except the goalkeeper seemed to be singing. Just assumed there would be at least 3 or 4 from a nationalist background in the starting line up. Very happy if I am wrong! Me: No worries Pool - McGovern the only one in the lineup. Well, not sure what religion the English guys playing are but regardless being English born wouldn't think it strange even if they are Catholic as it is their de facto anthem I suppose. Pool: No need to be so narky Ulsterman. I looked at it again and noticed that 9 of the 11 players sang GSTQ. If as Offside says, none of those 9 come from a nationalist background I'm delighted to hear it. You (replying to first 'me' above): Niall MCGinn, Pat McCourt both sang it, one of them is part owner of a restaurant on the falls road and it was festooned with GAA and Ireland flags yet the owner pledges allegiance to britain, bizarre!! You (replying to first 'Pool' above): You are correct PoolSurgeon"
Tom1916 (Armagh) - Posts: 2001 - 27/06/2016 15:57:37
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