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Kildare v Wexford worst game of all time

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I always said if my own county resorted to trying to play blanket defence I'd withdraw my support. What Kildare did against a division 4 team today was a disgrace. It was worse than anything Donegal have ever done. Conceding 7 goals in 35 minutes last year was bad, but to refuse to play football and hand pass over and back against one of the weakest teams in the championship is unacceptable. 9 points in 74 minutes doesn't deserve to still be in the championship.

Daith (Kildare) - Posts: 1171 - 21/05/2016 19:52:53    1857102

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Wasn't as good as that:)

KerryKillers (Dublin) - Posts: 711 - 21/05/2016 20:03:19    1857105

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Replying To Daith:  "I always said if my own county resorted to trying to play blanket defence I'd withdraw my support. What Kildare did against a division 4 team today was a disgrace. It was worse than anything Donegal have ever done. Conceding 7 goals in 35 minutes last year was bad, but to refuse to play football and hand pass over and back against one of the weakest teams in the championship is unacceptable. 9 points in 74 minutes doesn't deserve to still be in the championship."
Didn't get to see game but sounded horrendous tbh

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 21/05/2016 20:24:07    1857107

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'Kildare win in forgettable affair' - It's something we've become accustomed to reading for Kildare matches lately.

XPAC (Westmeath) - Posts: 86 - 21/05/2016 21:00:33    1857119

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Tell me this Daith, would you rather play Dublin and get trounced by 20 points, game over inside 15 minutes or be in with a shout with 15 minutes to go against them by protecting the rear guard?

I didn't see today's game and I understand that Wexford aren't going too well these days but systems need practice and its about time some Leinster counties moved with the times before Dublin start talking about 10 in a rows in the province. I'm sure that is the thinking behind Kildare's tactics today and I don't blame them. All the top teams in the game use the blanket now, there is no hiding from that fact and the teams that can't be taught new tricks are the ones that will be left behind.

SaffronDon (Antrim) - Posts: 2385 - 21/05/2016 21:14:51    1857129

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You didn't see Wicklow 0-5 Kildare 0-11 a few years back then.

sponger (Wicklow) - Posts: 2897 - 21/05/2016 21:15:36    1857130

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Ah get off it. We've shipped 14 goals in our last 3 games at Croke Park before today. Clare had at least 7 good goal chances against us in the league final so to change to a more defensive system and allow Wexford nowhere near our goals will get a thumbs up from me

butters1990 (Kildare) - Posts: 262 - 21/05/2016 21:22:59    1857134

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Agree Saffron. Cian O'Neill obviously realises Kildare are in with a shout to reach a Leinster final and is trying to implement a system that will nullify the Dubs, the system needs to be practiced. No doubt as a spectator todays affair was horrendous to watch but it's a results driven environment and thats what players and management care about, plenty to work on as Kildare were pathetic. But I can understand why he decided to go with a defensive system, its the way the game is going, rightly or wrongly.

ShortGrass_1 (Kildare) - Posts: 223 - 21/05/2016 21:25:19    1857136

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yeah Kildare have been way too open.The fact is they won the game and are into a Leinster semi.

ziggy32001 (Meath) - Posts: 8354 - 21/05/2016 21:28:04    1857138

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Replying To SaffronDon:  "Tell me this Daith, would you rather play Dublin and get trounced by 20 points, game over inside 15 minutes or be in with a shout with 15 minutes to go against them by protecting the rear guard?

I didn't see today's game and I understand that Wexford aren't going too well these days but systems need practice and its about time some Leinster counties moved with the times before Dublin start talking about 10 in a rows in the province. I'm sure that is the thinking behind Kildare's tactics today and I don't blame them. All the top teams in the game use the blanket now, there is no hiding from that fact and the teams that can't be taught new tricks are the ones that will be left behind."
Wrong. The "progressive" teams can stay ahead by playing the blanket defence if they want, but the paying customer will vote with their feet. I'd rather watch paint dry myself.

PoolSturgeon (Galway) - Posts: 1903 - 21/05/2016 21:54:30    1857144

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It was dire indeed but expect to see more of the same over the next couple of months. It is the way teams are setting up whether we like it or not and until something happens to change this whether it be rule changes or tactical approach you better get used to it. Some people call it fascinating but I don't see it tbh.

Dubh_linn (Dublin) - Posts: 2312 - 22/05/2016 08:10:27    1857146

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This doesnt warrant its own thread but how and ever.
Firstly, were people expecting us to go out and hammer Wexford? Having gone to every Kildare game this year I can tell you we have hammered no one and have never looked like hammering anyone. We have scraped past teams in a labourer fashion, Offaly Limerick league games come to mind.
Secondly, how many goal chances did we give Wexford yesterday? None. Yesterday was the first time I have seen a defensive plan used by this Kildare team and while it was not pretty, it is something to build on. I would add that playing defensively is not something that comes naturally to Kildare so it will take time.
Thirdly,look at the average age of our squad yesterday, I would say it was no more than 24. The teams who make it to the business end of the championship usually have an avergae age of 28/29. So we are a young team and will take a number of years for both management and players to get it right.

11jm11 (Kildare) - Posts: 365 - 22/05/2016 08:26:40    1857149

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Replying To SaffronDon:  "Tell me this Daith, would you rather play Dublin and get trounced by 20 points, game over inside 15 minutes or be in with a shout with 15 minutes to go against them by protecting the rear guard?

I didn't see today's game and I understand that Wexford aren't going too well these days but systems need practice and its about time some Leinster counties moved with the times before Dublin start talking about 10 in a rows in the province. I'm sure that is the thinking behind Kildare's tactics today and I don't blame them. All the top teams in the game use the blanket now, there is no hiding from that fact and the teams that can't be taught new tricks are the ones that will be left behind."
Tell me this though, Meath minors played and beat Dublin by 10 points with actually attacking them relentlessly. Surely if you set a team up to believe in themselves and you have good players there is no need for blanket defense?

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 22/05/2016 08:33:59    1857150

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I'll agree with the sentiments about it being one of the worst matches ever. It was absolutely dire to be honest. The future of football in general is not looking good to be honest.

In regards to the defensive approach from Kildare, I can see the merits of those who say they need to set themselves up that way as they have conceded too may goals etc.

What I'll say is it really going to make much difference? The fact is Kildare were ultra defensive and we're lucky to come out yesterday aghast Wexford on the right side of a one point win. This is a Wexford team starting from scratch in division 4 again. Ultra defensive or not what's a better team than Wexford going to do?

tearintom (Wexford) - Posts: 1333 - 22/05/2016 08:48:52    1857156

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Replying To 11jm11:  "This doesnt warrant its own thread but how and ever.
Firstly, were people expecting us to go out and hammer Wexford? Having gone to every Kildare game this year I can tell you we have hammered no one and have never looked like hammering anyone. We have scraped past teams in a labourer fashion, Offaly Limerick league games come to mind.
Secondly, how many goal chances did we give Wexford yesterday? None. Yesterday was the first time I have seen a defensive plan used by this Kildare team and while it was not pretty, it is something to build on. I would add that playing defensively is not something that comes naturally to Kildare so it will take time.
Thirdly,look at the average age of our squad yesterday, I would say it was no more than 24. The teams who make it to the business end of the championship usually have an avergae age of 28/29. So we are a young team and will take a number of years for both management and players to get it right."
agree with the last post.Its a very young Kildare team and defensively they have been awful in the last few years.They needed a defensive plan.It will take them time to get the balance right.Also they lost their last few games in Croke Park,so its job done imo.I think Kildare and Meath could close the gap in the next few years,but it will take time.

ziggy32001 (Meath) - Posts: 8354 - 22/05/2016 08:57:17    1857160

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Belief and good players are what many counties have but you need more than that to counteract this style of play .
You need tactical awareness and a game plan with players who are fit and capable of carrying it out.Beating the minors was one thing but belief and good players will only get you so far.
The best teams have to have both but also a lot more.

Dubh_linn (Dublin) - Posts: 2312 - 22/05/2016 09:02:35    1857161

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How does defending not come naturally to Kildare? Thats bs look at Donegal in the 00's and look at them today. What is going on in Kildare this is not good enough no matter what any poster says Kildare should be doing way better than they are. They've had good underage teams all this time and should of bet Dublin in the 21 final so what's the story?

clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 22/05/2016 09:20:01    1857165

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Replying To Dubh_linn:  "Belief and good players are what many counties have but you need more than that to counteract this style of play .
You need tactical awareness and a game plan with players who are fit and capable of carrying it out.Beating the minors was one thing but belief and good players will only get you so far.
The best teams have to have both but also a lot more."
Thats why you need a good management team.

Meath don't have that at senior,only time will tell if Kildare do..

ziggy32001 (Meath) - Posts: 8354 - 22/05/2016 09:28:12    1857170

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Replying To PoolSturgeon:  "Wrong. The "progressive" teams can stay ahead by playing the blanket defence if they want, but the paying customer will vote with their feet. I'd rather watch paint dry myself."
your right, fans will vote with their feet. how many do you think want to turn up and watch their county get slaughtered against the best because they can't defend?

SaffronDon (Antrim) - Posts: 2385 - 22/05/2016 09:40:21    1857175

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Replying To Dubh_linn:  "Belief and good players are what many counties have but you need more than that to counteract this style of play .
You need tactical awareness and a game plan with players who are fit and capable of carrying it out.Beating the minors was one thing but belief and good players will only get you so far.
The best teams have to have both but also a lot more."
Oh I agree, I also think a tactically astute sideline is paramount, especially when things dont go as planned to change it around, now the minors seem to have that with Barry Callaghan, Darren fay and paddy Reynolds, all men who have been there and done that , granted at senior level I dont think we have near enough talent on the field ( we have better than we are achieving) but we have a very poor sideline that cant react in realtime and at times appears like the fell into the job and haven't got a clue, that been said Meath and Kildare need to keep plugging away the talent is coming through, it may take another 5 years to see any challenge to dubs from either but one thing I dont want to see is yoing lads been thrown onto seniors and destroying them, mod has done this already with a few players most notably joey Wallace who started a Leinster final after doing his leaving cert, crazy crazy thing to do to a talented PROSPECT who needed to be nourished and brought along slowly, bad choices on sideline cost players

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 22/05/2016 09:46:40    1857179

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