I think the gaa have made a terrible knee jerk reaction by doing away with the under 21 football championship.They are not taking the burnout issue head on like they should They have to take on the managers who exploit these players I cant understand why senior managers have to keep using theses young lads despite there being maybe 30 lads in a senior panel who are overage for under 21. They continue to play these young under 21 lads despite them already having played college during the week. The under 21 was never the problem is was used as a scapegoat. It is very interesting and worth listening to prominent former players like Tomas O Shea, Peter Canavan and many more who don't agree with scrapping this great competition.
rhudson (Galway) - Posts: 1478 - 19/04/2016 18:58:19
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Paraic Duffy is the man responsible for abolishing the U-21 football championship. For over ten years he tried to get rid of this championship by trying to scapegoat it as the prime reason for burn out among young players but was shot down at congress each time.
Before this years congress journalists on the main national newspapers all said the motion to abolish the U-21 football championship would not pass, the majority of supporters did not want to see this grade scrapped and many former and present players had no desire to see this popular and entertaining championship moved off the GAA calendar however surprising out of the blue Mr Duffy finally got his wish and the U-21 motion to be abolish was passed which made the whole process very suspicious
The replacement competition U-20 is is little or no comfort to losing the U-21 football championship that has produced some of the best football over the years, for example take Monaghan v Cork last Saturday will we see a better game this year? i doubt it. Players and supporters want to see the best players playing and not some watered down competition where senior players won't be allowed to play in it.
The_analyser (Roscommon) - Posts: 3722 - 19/04/2016 20:43:51
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The replacement of the U21 with U20 championships will have no great effect on the quality of games. There has been outcry about scrapping the U21's since the two great semi's at the weekend but I'd expect the standard to be just as good at U20 level so I don't understand why some people are commenting that we won't get these quality games if we scrap U21's.
At present I'd much rather watch underage games than senior games. The quality, speed and overall honesty of it is much better than what we are seeing at senior level at both club and county level. I just don't enjoy senior games as much any more but I was at a club minor game here in Donegal last Wednesday night that had me buzzing all day Thursday. Fantastic game of open, tough football from two very committed minor teams that reminded me why I love the game.
Tir Conaill Abu (Donegal) - Posts: 1671 - 19/04/2016 21:23:57
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Exactly, Tír Chonaill Abú!
keeper7 (Longford) - Posts: 4088 - 19/04/2016 21:30:34
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That age group of players that are around 20-21 are the ones that need to be developed in the game to feed the senior teams. most young fellas are brought into the senior set up around that age. The senior set up can be a massive jump for these lads. Having a successful, highly competitive competition (as already exists) that includes a lot more of these "potential players of the future" makes more sense to me than restricting it further. Especially for the weaker counties (surely this can do nothing to bring them on)
Three of the Monaghan lads are already established in the senior squad (my fellow county posters would argue not enough), last year they were not. This gives other players on the team and indeed the opposition teams the opportunity to measure themselves and compete with more senior players than if it were U20 competition.
The people that set up this competition knew what they were at. Do the ones that are ending it ?? I would love to know what the likes of Mickey Harte or Terry Hyland think of it, fellas that managed successfully at both U21 and senior level
mhunicean_abu (Monaghan) - Posts: 1042 - 20/04/2016 10:46:03
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It's a shame that it's going...good bridging competition from minor to senior. Time wise, it's a compact competition.
Not sure if it will have any significant effect on burnout.
Early stage of the senior championship could be more compact.
kerrykerry (Kerry) - Posts: 1779 - 20/04/2016 11:00:04
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The idea is that if you're on the county U20 squad you can't play county senior so you won't have an overlap of players on two county squads.
keeper7 (Longford) - Posts: 4088 - 20/04/2016 11:49:31
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I can't really see the advantage in getting rid of U21 and replacing with U20.However,now that it's done i look forward to seeing how this new grade develops.
cuederocket (Dublin) - Posts: 5084 - 20/04/2016 12:21:36
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Can we save the under 21 grade? I think the gaa have made a terrible knee jerk reaction by doing away with the under 21 football championship.They are not taking the burnout issue head on like they should.They have to take on the managers who exploit these players. I cant understand why senior managers have to keep using theses young lads despite there being maybe 30 lads in a senior squad who are overage for under 21. They continue to play these young under 21 lads despite them already having played college during the week. The under 21 was never the problem is was used as a scapegoat. It is very interesting and worth listening to prominent former players like Tomas O Shea, Peter Canavan and many more who don't agree with scrapping this great competition. rhudson (Galway) - Posts:491 - 19/04/2016 18:58:19Changing under 21 to 20 is better for the game. How is it a knee jerk decision? Its been a well thought out and long process to get to this considering all the years of discussion around burnout. Yes the coaches who insist on playing guys on multiples of teams have to be challenged but this change will help reduce the number of teams a player is eligible to play on. Paraic Duffy is the man responsible for abolishing the U-21 football championship. For over ten years he tried to get rid of this championship by trying to scapegoat it as the prime reason for burn out among young players but was shot down at congress each time. Before this years congress journalists on the main national newspapers all said the motion to abolish the U-21 football championship would not pass, the majority of supporters did not want to see this grade scrapped and many former and present players had no desire to see this popular and entertaining championship moved off the GAA calendar however surprising out of the blue Mr Duffy finally got his wish and the U-21 motion to be abolish was passed which made the whole process very suspicious The replacement competition U-20 is is little or no comfort to losing the U-21 football championship that has produced some of the best football over the years, for example take Monaghan v Cork last Saturday will we see a better game this year? i doubt it. Players and supporters want to see the best players playing and not some watered down competition where senior players won't be allowed to play in it. The_analyser (Roscommon) - Posts:1673 - 19/04/2016 20:43:51But the under 21 is simply changing. It isn't being lost and there is no way you can say that the quality of football will diminish because of a change from under 21 to under 20 occurs. Something needs to be done about burnout. Stopping those who are already playing at a higher grade of football is best as it means the next under 20 player can step up and get a chance to play inter county football and this helps more players reach their potential or go as far as their ability can take them. It's a shame that it's going...good bridging competition from minor to senior. Time wise, it's a compact competition. Not sure if it will have any significant effect on burnout. Early stage of the senior championship could be more compact. kerrykerry (Kerry) - Posts:1753 - 20/04/2016 11:00:04It will still be a bridging competition from minor to senior. Even more so with players able to focus more on it due to the changes with eligibility around senior games. That those playing 20s cant play senior inter county will certainly be better in terms of player burnout
ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 20/04/2016 17:45:09
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A large part of the change was brought about because of the change to u17 for Minor. That's a good change, less conflict between football and exams. It's hard then to have a 4 year gap between age groups. That would prob be big for player drop off.
As for player burnout I think the big problem is the hap hazard nature of the calendar. Until that gets fixed we're going to continue to have the stupid training to games ratio that currently exists.
Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4172 - 20/04/2016 19:15:53
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Great post Tir Conaill Abu. I agree 100%.
I see no difference between u20 and u21. It will be good I think.
I like the junior championship. Kerry have the right idea in how they field an under 25 team. In Cork we give fellas that don't play with a senior club team the chance to represent Cork (though that is changing I think)
bennybunny (Cork) - Posts: 3917 - 20/04/2016 19:51:22
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Can someone confirm something I think I read about the new u20 comp? If a player is on the senior squad he is unable to play in the u20 comp? Eg McGinn from Monaghan, Breannan from Tyrone, O'Connor from Mayo wouldn't off been able if they were u20? I thought I heard that but could be wrong. Would really devalue any comp if the best players can't play.
The_Fridge (Tyrone) - Posts: 2087 - 20/04/2016 21:04:03
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The idea is that if you're on the county U20 squad you can't play county senior so you won't have an overlap of players on two county squads.
keeper7 (Longford) - Posts: 4088 - 21/04/2016 10:40:28
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Oh the old burn out debate again something that Duffy himself used to pull the wool over peoples eyes.
Lads lets be honest, if burn out was really studied and the main focus here then college football before the U-21 championship would have been abolished. College football has a league played before Christmas which includes a semi final and final and in January students are expected to play in county per season tournaments (FBD,O Byrne cup,McKenna cup) then you have the Sigerson,trench cups which has the ridiculous scheduling of two games in two days on the final weekend.
The replacement U-20 tournament is a watered down version of the current U-21 championship. From 2017 if you happen to be 18 to 20 and on the senior panel it doesn't matter if didn't play a single minute for your senior team you won't be allowed to play for your U-20 team. Many of those "seniors" need a underage championship to develop them further to become established senior players
The majority of the best players on show in last weekends U-21 All Ireland semi finals was seniors footballers and those that weren't have now learned plenty for playing with and against those senior footballers and that experience alone should help them when they get a call up to their senior panels. From 2017 all of that will now be lost with this U-20 championship and its only natural that quality of football will diminish without its best players on show.
The_analyser (Roscommon) - Posts: 3722 - 22/04/2016 19:04:40
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