Well the mystery has been solved, Kerry lost the final because they had a four week break from their Semifinal rather than the two week break Dublin had or so says John O'Keeffe, "huge advantage to Dublin". In the last five seasons Dublin have won 3 All-Irelands, Kerry,1, Dublin won three league titles, Kerry, none, Dublin 5 provincials, Kerry,4. In head to hesds, Championship, Dublin 3, Kerry 0, League, Dublin 3 Kerry 2. John, there is no mystery, this present Dublin squad is just that bit better than their Kerry counterparts.

sligo joe (Dublin) - Posts: 674 - 06/10/2015 12:22:16    1796307

Dublin were about 8 points better than Kerry .

TheRightStuff (Donegal) - Posts: 1688 - 06/10/2015 12:34:40    1796315

Funny that the shoe was on the other foot last year and there wasn't a peep out of him. Stinks of sour grapes to me

Long.Dub.Glic (Dublin) - Posts: 190 - 06/10/2015 12:42:00    1796318

apologies to Johnno, should have posted Ger O'K

sligo joe (Dublin) - Posts: 674 - 06/10/2015 12:49:05    1796325

Kerry are really letting themselves down with all these excuses.

Although Im sure there is alot of Kerry posters on here cringing at their fellow Kerrymen making all these excuses.

I suppose after having the upperhand on Dublin for so many years its now really hard to take for some kerry folk that they now are a distant 2nd to Dublin in recent years.

Suck it up Kerry, suck it up!

ConnollyDub (Dublin) - Posts: 2007 - 06/10/2015 12:53:19    1796327

Long.Dub.Glic
County: Dublin
Posts: 157

1796318 Funny that the shoe was on the other foot last year and there wasn't a peep out of him. Stinks of sour grapes to me

_______

Exactly.

Gas stuff isn't it...

TBH a fair few of us called this before the game

It was ideal prep for Dublin.. just like it was for Kerry in 2014

That's how it works out... but to bring balance to his statement - he really should have referenced Kerry's path to the 2014 final

Dublin have beaten Kerry 5 times on the trot in Croke Park across League and Championship

Dublin are simply better than Kerry at present - it wont last forever but in the here and now that's just a fact

The silverware and head to heads this decade prove this...

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20598 - 06/10/2015 13:08:29    1796335

You cant tar them all with the brush of one mans comments. I think that most kerry people acknowledged that the dubs were the better team.

Donegalman (None) - Posts: 3830 - 06/10/2015 13:30:40    1796359

Can someone please post what part is sour grapes?
All he is saying is the replay stood to Dublin. He's not complaining.
The exact same thing happened for Kerry last year and it was the winning of the final for us.

Ye were crying before the final cos Kerry's 'yerra' talk was getting to ye and demanded no BS.
Now a Kerryman points out the obvious that an extra game two weeks before the final was a great help.

Very poor form by several Dublin posters. Not enough that ye won the AI but need for reassurance from Kerry that ye deserved it is a bit embarrassing.

Superglue (Kerry) - Posts: 1283 - 06/10/2015 13:31:20    1796362

Its a fair enough point - it did work out as an advantage having two tough games before the final - but only if you win the semi replay.

It would have been a major disadvantage to come up against an excellent mayo team and lose.

Anyways, Kerry had this advantage last year.

Life isnt always fair - some years teams have advantages - swings and roundabouts

Id like to think he didnt mean it in a begrudging way - i think ill give him the benefit of the doubt on this one...

HenryHill16 (Dublin) - Posts: 249 - 06/10/2015 14:18:53    1796402

Ahem....
http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/football/bryan-cullen-extra-game-will-stand-to-dublin-353206.html

Superglue (Kerry) - Posts: 1283 - 07/10/2015 10:45:29    1796662

Ex Player comments extra competitive matches are beneficial.
I also think I heard Brian Mullins comment one time that eating breakfast on the morning of an all ireland is helpful.

None of that changes the fact that kerry are bad losers and always cry and make excuses after a loss.
When the ulster teams were beating them in the noughties it was because they played cheating, cynical, puke football.
Every time Dublin beat them it's the referee. And also the fixture schedule. And they collectively had a bad day. Because if they played normal who could possibly beat them??

However the excuses don't take away the fact that they lost. And the excuses prevent them from proper introspection and learning.
It's something you teach young children. The simple generosity of spirit to accept losing from time to time and congratulating your opponent. The baby learns that the universe doesn't revolve around them. You don't always get what you want. Throwing a tantrum doesn't change the child's predicament.

I.suppose (Dublin) - Posts: 1 - 07/10/2015 20:28:20    1796922

However the excuses don't take away the fact that they lost. And the excuses prevent them from proper introspection and learning.

Not sure who you are aiming this at but my bet would be that Eamonn Fitzmaurice is looking to fix the reasons he sees for them losing the 2015 final. I imagine there will be introspection there will be learning.

I haven't heard Fitzmaurice offer any excuses either and to be honest, he is the most important Kerry Man right now as his vision for 2016 will determine a lot of where Kerry go from here.

slayer (Limerick) - Posts: 6480 - 08/10/2015 08:43:32    1796961

I.suppose
County: Dublin
Posts: 1

1796922
Ex Player comments extra competitive matches are beneficial.
I also think I heard Brian Mullins comment one time that eating breakfast on the morning of an all ireland is helpful.

None of that changes the fact that kerry are bad losers and always cry and make excuses after a loss.
When the ulster teams were beating them in the noughties it was because they played cheating, cynical, puke football.
Every time Dublin beat them it's the referee. And also the fixture schedule. And they collectively had a bad day. Because if they played normal who could possibly beat them??

However the excuses don't take away the fact that they lost. And the excuses prevent them from proper introspection and learning.
It's something you teach young children. The simple generosity of spirit to accept losing from time to time and congratulating your opponent. The baby learns that the universe doesn't revolve around them. You don't always get what you want. Throwing a tantrum doesn't change the child's predicament.

Ex Kerry player makes comment that extra games are beneficial and is accused of being a bad loser.
Ex Dublin player makes comment that extra games are beneficial and you can't fault his logic

Show me where Kerry are making excuses about losing this final.
There's a bit difference between looking at contributing factors and making excuses.

Some of you lads are so precious about how this was won and are starved for extra praise
Whatever about bad losers, there is noting worse than arrogant winners.

Superglue (Kerry) - Posts: 1283 - 08/10/2015 09:27:59    1796971

Dublin were the best team. Sin é.

Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 9108 - 08/10/2015 09:53:56    1796978

Will I tell you why Kerry lost the final? Its simple really. Its nothing to do with weather, or Kerry having a bad day or bad luck etc etc etc
Its way more simple than that

Kerry lost the final cos Dublin are a better team than Kerry. Not just on the day, not just in bad weather, this current Dublin team is superior to this current Kerry team, pretty much all over the pitch.

Thats why Kerry lost the final

Simples

Liamwalkinstown (Dublin) - Posts: 8166 - 08/10/2015 10:20:23    1796988

Dublin scored more. It's pretty straight forward really.

Dubh_linn (Dublin) - Posts: 2312 - 08/10/2015 10:29:01    1796991

Lockjaw
County: Donegal
Posts: 4106

1796978
Dublin were the best team. Sin é.

That's not in question here

Superglue (Kerry) - Posts: 1283 - 08/10/2015 10:37:56    1796996

Dublin out scored them end off.

Yourjoking (USA) - Posts: 703 - 08/10/2015 10:51:36    1797004

Can anyone tell me why Ger O'Keeffe's comments sink of sour grapes? Anyone????
Last year the general consensus in Kerry was that the second day was the winning of the final for us

It's fairly obvious that Dublin has the best team overall at the moment but why ye getting so precious over analysis of the other contributing factors to Kerry's loss?

Superglue (Kerry) - Posts: 1283 - 08/10/2015 11:12:16    1797013

If you win, the extra match helped. If you lose, the other team were fresher.

Blah blah blah.

In my view Kerry were being overrated from performances over the last couple of years and had the rub of the green in a few games too. Thats why I lumped on Dublin -1 @ 11/8. They would have beaten us and Kerry last year if they hadn't been so tactically naive.

benjyyy (Donegal) - Posts: 1422 - 08/10/2015 11:16:21    1797015