Some rule changes I would suggest are
1. Stop the clock for breaks in play in the last 10 mins of a game. Would cut out the time wasting 2. Linesmen and umpires to be involved in decision making. Refs dont have eyes in the back of their heads 3. A player has 60 seconds to take a free kick/45 or the ball is thrown in. Cuts out this nonsense of the keeper coming up to take it. Wastes at least 2-3 mins. Look at Cluxton the last day. Got the free on 69 mins. How long did it take before the free was taken? 4. Must be at least 4 players in opponents half at all times. This 14 men behind the ball is a joke. 5. Sub cannot replace a player who has received a black card for at least 5 mins. Could have another official timing this? 6. Any player caught sledging is sent off. The refs/linesmen are surely hearing some of the stuff going on between players. 7. If a player is deliberately pulled to the ground within the opponents 45m line, then that team should be awarded a 21m free
aidan64 (Kerry) - Posts: 664 - 03/09/2015 15:54:05
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I like the ones that don't involve referee discretion. Taking timing out of the refs hands is a must.
At the risk of contradicting myself, if you really wanted to open things up, use the 'cumulative team fouls' rule from basketball. After say 20 team fouls, each subsequent foul, regardless of where it occurs on the ptich results in a 'free throw' i.e. a free from 20 or so yards out. The black card isn't solving any problems. But if a full forward knows a foul on the opposite team, deep in the opponents half, designed to run down the clock/block an attack, is going to be punished with an easy point, things would change. I'd probably want a TMO to keep count of the 'personal fouls' and determine when the limit had been reached.
liamoggordon (USA) - Posts: 13 - 03/09/2015 17:09:19
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yeah i agree with all bar the last i would say a deliberate pull down anywhere on the field get a free on the 21 id do the clock like basketball. clock stopped for fouls injuries and subs.
agree with the five mins before replacement comes on.
I would eliminate the penalty and give a penalty goal for fouls in the square.
alot more powers to the linesmen and umpires
defo on the 4 players inside own half id set the 45 as the limit
ritchie (Cork) - Posts: 346 - 03/09/2015 17:11:01
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Liam Dont think i agree with the cumulative fouls. Cant see the TMO being introduced either. Think it will slow the game down a lot
aidan64 (Kerry) - Posts: 664 - 03/09/2015 21:19:05
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There has to be a scoring implication for a team that repeatedly fouls the opposition in the opposition's half, to kill a game. The cumulative fouls might not be the way to go, but with black card/substitution, there is no significant penalty.
Perhaps ten minute sin-bin for a black card? The problem with that is the referees seem to regularly chicken out. Looks at Tyrone/Kerry--frequently carbon copy fouls give yellow or black cards in a seemingly random process. Too subjective.
Perhaps mechanically/procedural changes are the way to go. E.g no passing back across half way, four men in the opposition half, all kick outs must cross 21 yrd line, no subs with 5 mins to go?
liamoggordon (USA) - Posts: 13 - 03/09/2015 21:59:04
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10 minute sinbin Countdown clock 13 a side
football first (None) - Posts: 1259 - 04/09/2015 08:17:46
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If you are going to force teams to have 4 attackers in the opposition half at all times then you would also need to force them to always have 4 defenders in their own half. Otherwise we would just have teams constantly outnumbering the opposition when attacking.
benjyyy (Donegal) - Posts: 1422 - 04/09/2015 08:51:05
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I generally agree. Though we should have 2 refs, 1 stationed in each half, which would make their life easier and cut down on any bias due to permanently being stationed in that half. Also, you are forgetting something vital in reducing the blankets and quadruple sweepers- 3/4 hand passes must be followed by a kick pass. Sledging for sure, ref timing for sure, cynical fouls within 45 for sure, time to take a free for sure. The 10min sin bin is a must too. In saying all this, chances of getting even 1 of these passed through congress are very slim. But offer them Gareth Brooks for 5 concerts and they'll bite your lamh off!
beansycpn (Down) - Posts: 128 - 04/09/2015 08:51:48
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Just a random query, how did the @Brolly Rules' game go in Monaghan a month or so ago? Average enough build up to it, then never heard of it again? Was he right for a change? Or did TSG brush it under the carpet like they do for any criticism directed at the golden trio?
beansycpn (Down) - Posts: 128 - 04/09/2015 09:17:40
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How many of these rule changes are practical at club level? Or are we proposing to have different rules at intercounty level than we would have at club level? Due to the abuse they get I was under the impression most counties are struggling for referees, now with 2 referees per game the number required is doubled immediately.
Soma (UK) - Posts: 2630 - 04/09/2015 10:08:40
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Soma County: UK Posts: 1128
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All of them are. The ref, linesmen and umpires could oversee all of this?
aidan64 (Kerry) - Posts: 664 - 04/09/2015 12:57:48
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Not sure of the situation in Kerry aidan64 but in most counties the only neutral official at your average club game is the referee. Imagine if you will Joe McQuillan refereeing last week's game with TheMaster performing the role of linesman on the Cusack side and Joxer linesman on the Hogan side, that is a typical club game in most places. Not sure if giving these fellas extra powers is a great idea! And how many different stopwatches would the referee need to monitor sin bins, time taken to kick a free, and stopping the clock for every stoppage in the last 10 minutes? These rules are fine at intercounty level where there are 8 neutral officials to help out but impossible to implement at club level, where 99% of those who play gaelic football are.
Soma (UK) - Posts: 2630 - 04/09/2015 14:16:56
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04/09/2015 14:16:56 Soma Not sure of the situation in Kerry aidan64 but in most counties the only neutral official at your average club game is the referee. Imagine if you will Joe McQuillan refereeing last week's game with TheMaster performing the role of linesman on the Cusack side and Joxer linesman on the Hogan side, that is a typical club game in most places. Not sure if giving these fellas extra powers is a great idea! And how many different stopwatches would the referee need to monitor sin bins, time taken to kick a free, and stopping the clock for every stoppage in the last 10 minutes? These rules are fine at intercounty level where there are 8 neutral officials to help out but impossible to implement at club level, where 99% of those who play gaelic football are. 2 watches. Monitoring sinbin is easy. Mark time player goes off pitch. allow back on after 10 minutes. Most of these changes are not impossible to implement at club level
ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 04/09/2015 14:21:40
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I seem it suggested I think on Gaelic performance that you cannot catch the ball with both hands after a solo/hop which would make it easier to knock the ball away. This might be worth looking at although I'd probably go with allowing the ball to be caught once after a play. I'd also limit the amount of players allowed crowd around the man in possession
lillyboy (Kildare) - Posts: 429 - 04/09/2015 14:27:13
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Just and idea of a couple of things that could be done:
1)First off scrap the black card, unmitigated disaster, if you want to punish cynical play then punish it, allowing a sub to come on isnt a punishment or a disadvantage. The sin bin is a punishment. A team down to 14 or 13 for periods of the game is a punishment. Most cynical play comes in the last 10 mins anyway when players are happy to take a black card to slow a game down safe in the knowledge a fresher player can take the pitch. It is such a bonkers rule in beggars belief.You want free flowing football, teams down to 14 and 13 going for it in that space gives you that.
2) define the tackle, what is and what isnt, even the black card rule introduced is ambiguos, tug of jersey not a black card unless the player goes to ground, must be intentional etc etc. Bonkers. Define what cynical play actually is, not of this intent crap an sin bin for it.
3) Introduce the mark from a kick out only and introduce a rule where the kick out must go past the 45.
4) start rewarding skill the mark is an example, there could be something to be said for a point scored from outside the 45 from play be worth 2 points. Blanket defence against a team kicking scores worth 2 points, teams will come out.
5) Ban the handpass point, something not right for me that a team can go the full length of the pitch and get a score without kicking the ball once.
6) Like in basketball you could stop teams returning back across half way with the ball, would stop this backward passing and keep ball when a team can be pressed into one half.
7) have a TMO where possible and have them miked direct to the referee guiding him where required.
These are just a couple of ideas but first on the list for me is the black card and its removal.
tearintom (Wexford) - Posts: 1304 - 04/09/2015 14:28:43
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1. Interfering with an opponent on the ground should be an instant red card.
2. Take timekeeping away from referees; use a hooter as in ladies' football. I would personally allow a team one last play after the hooter (until the ball goes dead or there's a break in play) as it would add to the excitement of a close game and allow teams one last chance to level or win a match.
3.A player issued with a black card may not be replaced. This would provide a real deterrent to cynical play, as at present, many players are still "taking one for the team" late on in tight games.
4. Not a change to the playing rules as such, but we obviously need a clear out of the disciplinary system, as there are far too many avenues of appeal and this encourages an appellate culture, irrespective of whether the player is guilty or not (and before anyone jumps in, my county is as bad at this as any other). I would have one body adjudicating on disciplinary matters with one appellate body. If an appeal is seen to be frivolous, double the ban.
5. A mark from the kickout for clean catches between the 45s would reward high fielding.
6. Umpires to be centrally trained by the GAA, rather than having the ref's mates do it.
7. Hawkeye to be rolled out to at least one venue in each province.
8. Keepers shouting "wide ball" etc. into the umpires' faces to be punished by concession of a 13m free.
9. Feigning injury to become a black card offence with an accompanying match ban.
10. Enforcement of the black card rule as regards verbal abuse of opponents. Likewise a match ban should follow.
Gleebo (Mayo) - Posts: 2208 - 04/09/2015 14:54:22
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Some interesting thoughts on the rules. A lot of them have done the rounds before. I'm not against the black card and I think that it has its merits but there are certainly areas where it could be refined i.e. a player pulled back is not a card but if he goes to ground he is. Quite simply it should be that if in the opinion of the referee the foul is Cynical or deliberate then its a black card. I wouldn't be against the use of TMO where available at intercounty level. But being practical if we go down this line you are effectively going to come up with a different set of rules for intercounty and club (and maybe even for some divisions in the national league)
indaknownow (Offaly) - Posts: 112 - 04/09/2015 15:45:50
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How about - 1) Defensive team in possession behind own 45 MUST kick clear the ball across own 45 AND 65 to at least midfield area (no handpassing out, no soloing). 2) Super points worth 2 points - kicked from acute angle zone near either sideline. 3) Adopt AFL tackle - it's much easier to define. 4) Official Game Clock at championship matches - clock alsays stops when ball is dead - could adjust to 30 min halves.
omahant (USA) - Posts: 2535 - 05/09/2015 18:57:09
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