In light of the Tiernan McCann debacle and indeed the constant slating of 'Ulster football' for the past few years I think it is clear that the CCCC, the GAA and the southern media I think that it is clear that Ulster teams are seen as the noisy neighbours that they would rather see cut off rather than include us.

I'm sure O'Rourke and Spillane would love nothing more than to watch Kerry and Dublin hammer teams without having to put in a tackle week in week out then they can talk about the great skills of the game as they see it, however, is the art of defending or indeed the art of tackling no longer a skill or should teams merely stand back and allow the great Gooch and the darlings of Dublin, the Brogan brother to waltz through untouched so they can marvel at their beauty.

And before anyone mentions 'win at all costs' look at Meath in 1996 when they beat all teams around them using violence and intimidation.

Take a look back at the Meath v Mayo AI final when they knocked shades out of each other, look at Spillane's comments on that he merely sat bat and laughed when analysing it on the Sunday game, where either of those teams ask to give an apology?

Is it clear if an Ulster team does not conform to the romantic views of the game as dictated by the Sunday Game panel then they want to do nothing more than cut them off at the knees and stop them playing.

Simple when a province/county becomes a problem for the GAA they try to cut them off. No less than 3 years ago the GAA were trying to cut off teams in England taking part in the AI Junior competition as it was costing too much and was too much hassle for teams to travel to play in England/Scotland when drawn to go over there. Alas again if you become a problem for the GAA you get punished or indeed in this case they attempted to cut the English teams off who in my mind are as much of the GAA family as any other county.

Before any other Ulster fans start mouthing off, this is not just a Tir Eoghain that the parties as mentioned in my opening line are creating this is an all Ulster problem, do Donegal fans forget the nonsense they had to listen to for the last 5 years and how Kerry were lauded as the saviours of football as they reverted to the 'blanket defence' for last years final? Do Derry fans forget how they were (in the of these parties) the only team to blame for the sour spectacle -v- Dublin in the league this year. Fermanagh and Antrim Fans they want to drop you into a second tier competition to ensure you don't embarrass them by making it to Croke park. Armagh fans you were branded as thugs for years for having the audacity to bulk up and go down and beat Kerry in croke park and claim an AI.

Coincidence? I think not, it is now time for Ulster to stand together and if needs be this stand should begin with Tir Eoghain taking the field on the 23rd August and refusing to partake after the playing of the National Anthem, make the GAA accountable when the world is watching..................

tyronemanc (Tyrone) - Posts: 163 - 12/08/2015 09:26:18    1768473

I can understand why you wrote this but a lot of people have had little or no issues with the Northern sides.

Limerick played Cavan twice in 2002 lost heavily to Armagh in 2003, we have played Derry in 2005 & 2006 and again this year we played Tyrone. Have oyu head a whimper out of our fans about any team?

Those who do object to you may just fear you ...............

Personally I think the 'problems' identified by RTE are gaelic football problems rather than Tyrone/Ulster problems.

slayer (Limerick) - Posts: 6480 - 12/08/2015 09:31:46    1768479

The GAA has made a bad situation worse here.... and who knows how this one will end.

Not well I think.

The only reasonable solution is for new unambiguous laws to be drawn up for next year and for these laws to be enforced, whatever they may be.

BIG SACKS (Tyrone) - Posts: 1681 - 12/08/2015 09:38:43    1768482

To put it simply.... you cant legislate retrospectively.

BIG SACKS (Tyrone) - Posts: 1681 - 12/08/2015 09:45:08    1768486

Tyronemanc yes can see why you would be frustrated. The proposed ban (which wont happen in my opinion) is harsh on Tiernan Mccann but for the greater good of the game I hope it stands as it shouldcut out this crap. In fairness if he got something like a 1 match ban that would have been sufficient even though it would have been to miss the Semi Final.

Like it or not O Rourke, Parkinson etc have made some good points about Tyrone. The behaviour across many of the Tyrone teams has not exactly been exemplary. It is up to Tyrone to clean up their act but that does not mean they have to lose the commitment, tenacity and intensity which has brought them to the AI Semi Final.
They also made good points regarding Donegal in 2011 as that type of football was KILLING football but fair play to Donegal they evolved into a super team. Problem is too many teams trying to copy them cant evolve and bringing the game to a sight to sore eyes.

As I have said before one of my WOW moments in football was up on the Hill and seeing a sea of orange running across Croke Park when Armagh beat Kerry in 2002. I had never seen the likes of it before and probably never again.
Tyrone in 2005 won prob the best hammer and thongs final I have seen. 2 teams at their peak going hell for leather.

woops (Kerry) - Posts: 2073 - 12/08/2015 09:49:44    1768490

I think banning the player for 8 weeks is excessive. But it's not the first time the GAA has reacted badly to something they haven't seen before & are afraid of spreading. Colin Lynch 1998 for example.

I think maybe the player should have served a ban that would cover the semi final only but that he would be free to play in any replay or all Ireland final. To be fair, it looks like the player, his manager etc know it was the wrong thing to do, he will hardly do it again.

slayer (Limerick) - Posts: 6480 - 12/08/2015 09:52:11    1768493

Completely agree. There is a massive anti-ulster sentiment within the GAA. What McCann did was a disgrace and has no place in our game however to bow to mob mentality and slap an 8 week for what rightly or wrongly is a yellow card offence! It leaves me with a bad taste in my mouth.

spy_in_the_sky (Antrim) - Posts: 273 - 12/08/2015 09:53:58    1768495

Look I can understand the frustration the tyrone lads are feeling, the fact they played more football than monaghan and won comfortably enough has been overshadowed. Was McCann stupid, absolutely but the same vitriol hasn't been carted out for JOD in the drawn Munster final it was mentioned but the witch hunt stopped there. There is an element of begrudgery but you have to take that with a pinch of salt, the Sunday game play to the lowest common denominator and if the agenda and theme is that Ulster is trying to destroy football thats the way they'll spin it. The only way to avoid the negative coverage is to play like saints which is unlikely as no one does this, and then the status quo of Ulster teams taking their medicine will be resumed and all will be right again.

I'd say try not to take it personally, its the tabloid gutter journalism that will accentuate everything and they are always looking an angle, young McCann has given them that but at the end of the day as daft as he was the ref still made the call and his mistake hasn't been highlighted with the same fervor.

Tyrone will be painted as the bad boys of the Gaa because it is the current angle the media is spinning, win, lose or draw the semi enjoy because there are 28 other teams who would pull, bite and kick to get there, some of the last 4 have done that themselves so you're in excellent company.

duckula20 (Antrim) - Posts: 175 - 12/08/2015 09:55:14    1768497

P Spillane played with enforcers like P O'Se & J Denihan. Their purpose those was to subdue the opposition and enable the attacking force further up the pitch.

The Nordie Way, for want of a better phrase, is to strangle the opposition, reduce all scoring opportunities to a minimum and sneakit by a few, probably by frees. Yawn!

Now, don't get me wrong, a good defence is important. Many other teams now play in this way. My point is simple though: change the rules & change the game... by loosening the blanket!

plike (Kerry) - Posts: 569 - 12/08/2015 09:57:35    1768502

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I think banning the player for 8 weeks is excessive. But it's not the first time the GAA has reacted badly to something they haven't seen before & are afraid of spreading. Colin Lynch 1998 for example.

Gaa reacted badly to something they haven't seen before????? It has been going on for years AOM a few years ago, look at the Cork v Kerry Games this year!! Ulster are once again the scapegoats and whipping boys for the Free State

tyronemanc (Tyrone) - Posts: 163 - 12/08/2015 10:02:33    1768505

Well said, it's a sad day for GAA now that we see the Dublin media are running HQ.
What will Croker do when half the teams in the country can't field because they are all on 8 Wk suspensions or is it just for Ulster teams ?
If they start this they better be prepared to keep it up. Consistency is what will be looked for unlike the black card BS.

CoTyrone (Tyrone) - Posts: 261 - 12/08/2015 10:02:48    1768506

tyronemanc

Are you saying diving has been going on for years?

slayer (Limerick) - Posts: 6480 - 12/08/2015 10:09:42    1768511

Been experiencing the anti ulster football for a few years now but only under the mc Guinness era when we wer getting criticism for the style of play.
Spillane tarred us with the "puke football" jibe and the uneducated still use it to this day despite racking up big scores and great football.
A prime example is the final last year.
Donegals blanket defense nd counter attack got us to the final with Kerry.
The stately was always criticised for having numbers behind the ball but when Kerry did it and out Donegaled donegal Spillane and o rourke etc said it was a defensive masterclass by Kerry.

Donegal_Man (Donegal) - Posts: 37 - 12/08/2015 10:11:06    1768512

What absolute rubbish. You are looking for cover from Ulster to cover Tyrone's despicable conduct. This is a Tyrone issue, pure and simple. Tyrone has an endemic problem with discipline. The rest of us can criticize it, but only Tyrone GAA can fix it. Being in complete denial, isn't a helpful start. You're in a semi final so I guess all tactics are justified eh?

JackoDub (Dublin) - Posts: 458 - 12/08/2015 10:14:02    1768514

- puke football

This phrase was coined in 2003 after Tyrone beat Kerry 0-13 to 0-6.

slayer (Limerick) - Posts: 6480 - 12/08/2015 10:16:00    1768520

Jacko close your trap and listen to this, how has the rules all changed in 8 weeks

http://m.rte.ie/.../0720/716074-rte-gaa-podcast-cork-kerry/

tyronemanc (Tyrone) - Posts: 163 - 12/08/2015 10:16:10    1768522

This thread is a joke. Where were the opposition from?

seanfinn (Monaghan) - Posts: 360 - 12/08/2015 10:16:27    1768523

Out of interest - what became of the player in this years Club Final who on a few occassions went down like he was shot? Was rightly pointed out and criticised on here in the aftermath but beyond getting the Man of the Match award did he get a ban for bringing the game into disrepute? If not why? Wasn't just one incident like the McCann one as he did it numerous times in the game - 3 or 4 that I counted.

Also, what about these players (mostly goalies but also defenders) who try to influence the ref or umpires by signalling wides when a point has been scored. Surely this is also trying to influence decisions and bringing the game in to disrepute. Are we going to see bans been handed out for any player who does this. Where do you draw the line on what constitutes bringing the game in to disrepute?

Offside_Rule (Antrim) - Posts: 4058 - 12/08/2015 10:21:14    1768533

Seanfinn Did I blame Monaghan or their fans at all? Read the first line of my post

tyronemanc (Tyrone) - Posts: 163 - 12/08/2015 10:21:38    1768536

And yes I am saying diving has been going on for years Slayer, as has time wasting, arm clamping and many other forms of closing a game out

tyronemanc (Tyrone) - Posts: 163 - 12/08/2015 10:22:49    1768539