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Its been particularly evident this season that 4/5 teams,Kerry,Dublin, REDANDBLACK30 (Down) - Posts: 1617 - 03/08/2015 11:01:11 1762915 Link 0 |
The smaller counties need the money yes but more importantly they need the advice and guidance both financially and coaching wise in how to use this money. Too many county boards that are just not up to scratch. Look at the antrim shambles! redhanddefender (Tyrone) - Posts: 913 - 03/08/2015 11:07:24 1762924 Link 0 |
This year has completely proved the point I have been making on here. The GAA needs to ensure that resources are shared among all the counties if gaelic football is to survive. No wonder so many kids are turning to Rugby and soccer. bryanadams (Kildare) - Posts: 733 - 03/08/2015 11:16:33 1762937 Link 0 |
I dont think money is the issue. Dublin can be beat by teams with less money. It is up to each county to ensure its own success not HQ. Do you really think if you give Carlow millions they will win sam? Or if you give Armagh millions will the capture liam? DoireCityFC (Derry) - Posts: 1580 - 03/08/2015 11:31:23 1762948 Link 0 |
When we look at the top 4 its no surprise year in year out they are always to the fore front. However of those top 4 only Mayo have not won an All-Ireland. I hope they do it this year. WildPundit (Tipperary) - Posts: 1709 - 03/08/2015 11:33:57 1762951 Link 0 |
I think the so called weaker counties need to take responsability for themselves here. They are caught up in Strength conditioning and defensive systems. I wonder if the players really buy into this? When a weaker team defemsive system fails, it fails bad. The teams are not scoring and without scores they cant gain confidence as the game goes on. They just see sore after score against them and we saw with Kildare against Dublin and Kerry they just fell apart. Teams need to work on attacking, basic skills, kick passing etc. Yes they still will lose because the Dublin, Kerry, Mayo are all better teams but they will be closer games and they might leave croke park with a smile on their faces like Fermanagh and the fans will have some pride that they gave the other team a lash ! Sean867 (Dublin) - Posts: 25 - 03/08/2015 11:35:32 1762953 Link 0 |
Anyone here old enough to remember the gulf in class between Kerry, Dublin to an extent, and the rest from about 1974 to 1985? Probably only Cork, Roscommon, Offaly, maybe Galway just about, were additional contenders at times over those dozen years. It hasn't changed a lot really. It's just that the qualifier system accentuates the quality gap in at least two ways:- 1)it gives really good teams a second chance, so the early banana skin is no longer a potentially killer exit for serious contenders, and 2) the backdoor takes us through this tortuous process of mediocre teams beating mediocre teams, so that 1or2 mediocre teams eventually emerge for a July/August q-final, where they inevitably get their ass kicked. If these 'mediocre' teams could build on their progress year on year, it would be great, but they don't in main, and that is the truly unsatisfactory aspect of the current competition. We were fed the myth for years that if bad teams got a second chance, and were hurling 'til July, or footballing 'til July, they'd have a better chance of improving, and joining the big boys some day. That of course was pie in the sky, and it's the Kerrys & Kilkennys who derive the most benefit from the qualifier format. Them lads don't need to be asked twice, but when it rarely happens, they'll bite your hand off for the second invite too!! Pope_Benedict (Galway) - Posts: 3394 - 03/08/2015 11:37:07 1762956 Link 0 |
The gap between the top 4 and the rest is massive. The media seem obsessed with the idea of a 2 tier championship but this will do nothing to close the gap between the top 4 and the next 12, similarly do nothing to help the worst 3 or 4 counties. The only effect it would have is to financially cripple a lot of smaller counties ros1 (Roscommon) - Posts: 1211 - 03/08/2015 11:50:21 1762971 Link 0 |
The competition structure is not the main cause of the gap. The second chance for stronger teams is probably the only element of the competition structure that is a part of that problem. The main cause of the gap imo is the increased professionalism. Really good squads adopting modern professional standards continually will drive themselves way ahead of mediocre or bad squads adopting the same standards. That is at the core of the current imbalance. For a live example regarding competition structure, if Kerry hadn't got a dodgy penalty from a refereeing mistake in the drawn Munster final, and if they're was no qualifier route, Kerry WOULD BE GONE from this year's championship, just like in the pre-2001 old days. Instead, they're up in Croker in August kicking all colours of sh1te out of the lilies, looking like very serious contenders for Sam retention. Pope_Benedict (Galway) - Posts: 3394 - 03/08/2015 12:14:24 1762988 Link 0 |
I don't believe throwing money will address the quality gap of the non-elite counties. To level the playing field - I'd have most players drafted from the national talent pool - szy, each county 'protdcts' 9 players of gheir own that meet current home counyy eligibility - then each county 'drafts' from the genrral pool, in sequential order starting with thd weakest county, then 2nd weakest etc, so the likes of Kerry chooses 32nd in the 1st draft round. omahant (USA) - Posts: 2533 - 03/08/2015 12:42:13 1763010 Link 0 |
I am amazed that the issue of the four divisions has not been discussed. Ever since they went to Divisions 1-4, instead of 1A1B2A2B, there has been a widening of the standards. The top 4 have generally always been in division 1, and this has facilitated their rise. Whoever says the league does not matter has not a clue. The six teams left in the 2015 championship are Dublin (2nd D1 Winners), Kerry (6th D1), Mayo (5th D1), Donegal, (4th D1,SF), Monaghan (3rd D1 SF) and Tyrone (7th D1). Only Cork who finished first in Division 1 are out, and their season could have been different had they held out in Killarney. galwaydublin (Galway) - Posts: 226 - 03/08/2015 13:30:17 1763056 Link 0 |
You make a good point,Galwaydublin worple (Roscommon) - Posts: 339 - 03/08/2015 17:33:51 1763236 Link 0 |
Have to agree with galwaydublin. I don't think whether you finish top in the league matters in championship but even if you're in div1 and losing you still see how your players compare to the other teams and what needs to change in order to compete with them. Whereas other teams have to wait until championship. galwayfball (Galway) - Posts: 1678 - 03/08/2015 19:08:51 1763295 Link 0 |
I don't think millions is needed to bring teams up to speed, simply time and effort. And I don't mean more early mornings in the gym or better diet or conditioning, I mean tactical awareness training for players and Indeed in some cases managers. GaryMc82 (Derry) - Posts: 3017 - 03/08/2015 19:12:34 1763301 Link 0 |
Are Donegal top 4 anymore??? I think the fourth spot has been well and truly earned by Monaghan, and people should stop dismissively just put Donegal ahead of them, they are better than Donegal as had been proven this year. royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 03/08/2015 19:26:02 1763312 Link 0 |
Wildpundit,even though it is a good success story for yere footballers to have been successful in recent times at various underage levels,i could understand how a few co board members sniggered at the plan for ye to win the Senior football All Ire by 2020.Winning one minor All Ire & reaching an U21 All Ire final,is not to be sniffed at,but it really would be no big deal for some of the traditional football counties.If Kerry/Mayo/Dublin/Cork did this,nobody would bat an eyelid.I know counties have to aim high,but i dont believe it is realistic for Tipp to be talking about winning the big prize at senior.Looking at yere second half collapse to Tyrone a few weeks back,i think its fanciful thinking.Tipp are a long way off the top teams. cuederocket (Dublin) - Posts: 5084 - 03/08/2015 19:37:36 1763325 Link 0 |
royaldunne GaryMc82 (Derry) - Posts: 3017 - 03/08/2015 19:48:13 1763334 Link 0 |
if you look at the results and All Ireland tables you will see there is really only one team in the football. That is Kerry. 37 All Irelands and probably this year also- unless the Dubs can beat them. Is that good for the game? galwayford (Galway) - Posts: 2513 - 03/08/2015 20:05:57 1763353 Link 0 |
if you look at the results and All Ireland tables you will see there is really only one team in the football. That is Kerry. 37 All Irelands and probably this year also- unless the Dubs can beat them. Is that good for the game? galwayford (Galway) - Posts: 2513 - 03/08/2015 20:06:03 1763354 Link 0 |
galwayford GaryMc82 (Derry) - Posts: 3017 - 03/08/2015 20:18:38 1763366 Link 0 |