Is the GAA paying lip service to sledging. Over the summer we have sledging from Tyrone/Donegal players and no action. On sunday Cork were subjects to several verbals from Galway players and no action taken. While Liam Rushe was deservedly sent off Monty Shanahan, got away. Does GAA take sledging seriously?

HughHunt24 (Cork) - Posts: 841 - 28/07/2015 12:59:52    1760212

unless you plant wire taps on every player its a very hard thing to prove or disprove as its usually one word against another!

SaffronDon (Antrim) - Posts: 2385 - 28/07/2015 13:38:01    1760239

its not very hard to prove at all
in the case of the Waterford player it was quite clear he was verbally abusing rushe
several times galway players stood over cork player on the ground verbally abusing them
whats so hard to prove when the video evidence clearly shows it
if they are able to fine dublin and armagh 5 thousand on the back of media witch hunt and very little evidence
surely a player standing over another mouthing down at him is quite easy to punish

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 28/07/2015 13:46:10    1760244

hill16no1man The issue is what classifies as sledging.
Without the ref actually hearing what is said or players being miced up then no action can be taken in my opinion.

Also I have a big issue with video evidence.
Say for instance someone is in your ear all game saying every dirty thing you can think of. then you hit him with a great shoulder and he hits the deck looking for a free.
Are you saying that if you told the player on the ground to man up or whatever other "nice" verbals that you should be banned just because you were the one on camera and what is being said isnt heard or seen.

To be honest I dont think sledging is a big deal. Every year something different is brought up that is apparently ruining the game but in actual fact its not too much. Dont get me wrong I have heard some outragious stories surrounding verbals but I would take these in a minority.

if a ref hears anything bad being said he is in his right to black card the player.

dstuction (Donegal) - Posts: 1209 - 28/07/2015 14:46:04    1760287

I think the fuss about sledging is ridiculous. Are players so pathetic that they can't hear someone sledging and laugh it off as a bad attempt to annoy them? I don't think so and we need to stop giving the pc police the time of day on this.

galballygael23 (Tyrone) - Posts: 235 - 28/07/2015 15:25:38    1760316

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hill16no1man The issue is what classifies as sledging.
Without the ref actually hearing what is said or players being miced up then no action can be taken in my opinion.
Also I have a big issue with video evidence.
Say for instance someone is in your ear all game saying every dirty thing you can think of. then you hit him with a great shoulder and he hits the deck looking for a free.
Are you saying that if you told the player on the ground to man up or whatever other "nice" verbals that you should be banned just because you were the one on camera and what is being said isnt heard or seen.
To be honest I dont think sledging is a big deal. Every year something different is brought up that is apparently ruining the game but in actual fact its not too much. Dont get me wrong I have heard some outragious stories surrounding verbals but I would take these in a minority.
if a ref hears anything bad being said he is in his right to black card the player.

well he is hardly leaning over him asking him what he is doing after the match now its quite obvious there trash talking.
there is no reason a player needs to talk to a player on the opposite team while the game is on.
if somebody is in somebodys ear all game its the officals to blame again for not doing something about it
theres 4 umpires, two linesmen and a ref, when people on the terraces and stands can see players doing this like
ryan mcmenaman used to surely those involved on the pitch can to.
i have seen players go to the umpires and tell them and they refuse to inform the ref
surely if a player goes telling an offical then the offical should be keeping an eye on the two players to see if
it is continuing.
also on sunday here was an incident down in front of me at the kilinnan end corner of the pitch
mark schutte was bbeing held on the ground by the waterford player
he was on his back and arms wrapped around his waist so schutte couldnt get up and rejoin the play as dublin attacked
the linesman seen the whole thing
when the ball went dead, the ref came over to him
and lone behold he gave both the waterford player and schutte a yellow card
now how in gods name can any offical come to that decision
schutte ran towards the linesman remonstrating with him but he just shook his head

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 28/07/2015 15:27:41    1760318

It's like bullying in that where is the line drawn : what exactly is sledging ? It's very hard to define therefore it's difficult to stop . For instance , is laughing at a guy who missed a free sledging ? Or what about sarcasm whereby you tell a guy hrs great even though he's missed a penalty or three frees ? Unless there's a rule where you cannot speak to your opponent whatsoever then it's impossible to manage .

TheRightStuff (Donegal) - Posts: 1688 - 28/07/2015 15:54:57    1760345

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It's like bullying in that where is the line drawn : what exactly is sledging ? It's very hard to define therefore it's difficult to stop . For instance , is laughing at a guy who missed a free sledging ? Or what about sarcasm whereby you tell a guy hrs great even though he's missed a penalty or three frees ? Unless there's a rule where you cannot speak to your opponent whatsoever then it's impossible to manage .

well that rule could be easily brought in
as what reason in an inter county game would any player have to be talking to the opposition players?
the only time i could understand is if the guy is injured and he is helping him thats it

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 28/07/2015 16:38:19    1760370

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if the ref or his umpires hear something provocative they should take action. Anything they don't hear or see is something they have no say on. If they took a players word on faith we would see opportunists at their lark when the game isn't going their way trying to get their opponent sent off over nothing and you'd have a whole new set of problems to contend with then.

SaffronDon (Antrim) - Posts: 2385 - 28/07/2015 16:43:58    1760376

saffrondon
but if a player approaches them admamantly informing them of been abused
surely the upmire should be watching out for it when the game resumes
im not saying send him off on the back of the players word only
im saying now that its brought to his attention he should be watching to see if the accused
continues to abuse the player who informed him.
we have had a few biting cases investigated on word alone as it is without anybody seeing a thing

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 28/07/2015 16:52:48    1760385

with the exception of a static full forward being marked by a static full back in around the goal mouth it would be asking a lot of an umpire or indeed any official to monitor what is being said on a football field where there is usually several players shouting at their own players, referees and opponents all throughout the game. Its a hectic atmosphere at the best of times and considering how much umpires have to revert to hawk eye when its available i'd much rather see them focused on getting scores or wides sorted than playing babysitter to grown men.

SaffronDon (Antrim) - Posts: 2385 - 28/07/2015 17:25:04    1760400

They should take it seriously, its horrible.
I love a bit of chest thumping and the good old fashioned GAA shoulder barge every now and again, but some of the pre meditated verbals we see are horrible imo.

joncarter (Galway) - Posts: 2692 - 28/07/2015 19:55:08    1760476

well if the gaa can fine dublin and armagh county boards 10 thousand euro each!!!!
without a spec of evidence (as the video footage they recieved only started filming from the throw in)
surely it has to be far easier to punish a player who is visibly verbally abusing another as is the case in hurling
in particular where they stand over the player mouthing down at them

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 29/07/2015 13:55:07    1760801

what difference does it make lads, as far as im playing lads always mouth at each other, no harm done unless in severe personal cases

westmeath2015 (Westmeath) - Posts: 153 - 29/07/2015 14:53:18    1760846

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what difference does it make lads, as far as im playing lads always mouth at each other, no harm done unless in severe personal cases

it matters because they brought a rule in that anybody doing it gets a black card
and to my knowledge it hasnt been enforced once to date
yet we see it happening like you say week in week out

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 29/07/2015 16:41:29    1760925

Waterford hurlers were very good at it last Sunday ....

SeppBlatter (Dublin) - Posts: 187 - 29/07/2015 16:56:36    1760935

Sound like a whinge HH?

Barnowl94 (Galway) - Posts: 3150 - 30/07/2015 11:32:22    1761149

Grow up it does go on form u14 up.. part of most sports.. obviously mentioning the dead and loved ones is below the belt but our sports is for hard men and the crying out about this matter is painting a different picture.. by the way every county does it..

detruth (Monaghan) - Posts: 196 - 30/07/2015 11:44:49    1761153

so ye condone degrading somebodys wife or daughter???????
if somebody was doing that in the work place every single person would agree its bullying and disgusting
why do we feel the need for it to be allowed in sport
where respect is supposed to be one of the upmost values

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 30/07/2015 13:08:49    1761191

"detruth"

Your post below is the worst one I've seen in a long time.

Just because something "goes on" doesn't make it right. We should try and stop it, especially at underage level. The people who take part in so called "sledging" are not hard men. They are actually showing a weakness by needing to use verbals to try and get the better of their opponents. Real "Hard men" are the ones who stand up for what is right and let their football do the talking.

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Grow up it does go on form u14 up.. part of most sports.. obviously mentioning the dead and loved ones is below the belt but our sports is for hard men and the crying out about this matter is painting a different picture.. by the way every county does it"

pdempsey (Mayo) - Posts: 1313 - 30/07/2015 14:22:14    1761238