There ain't a lot of things that irk me in this world. But people referring to Down as the aristocrats of Ulster football does. It is endemic on this site. Just to clarify,

Aristocrat: Anything regarded as the best of it's kind.

Cavan have won more then 3 times the amount of Ulster titles Down have.

Let's not lapse into this pitfall again.

Thank you.

Ned_Stormcrow (Cavan) - Posts: 1071 - 02/07/2015 18:58:39    1746643

Stones and glass Houses spring to mind ned

prideof85 (Monaghan) - Posts: 851 - 02/07/2015 19:38:16    1746658

Is Cavan not in Leinster?

bert09 (Meath) - Posts: 1789 - 02/07/2015 19:46:16    1746660

Ned
I have mentioned on here before about Cavan and how they declined when other Ulster counties started winning
We will start with Down who I think reached their first Ulster final in 1958 and won the first Ulster title in 1959 ( open to correction as I'm taking this off the top of my bat )
Derry won their first Ulster title in 1958 ( again open to correction)
Tyrone won their first title in ( I think) 1956
Now Donegal reached their FIRST ULSTER FINAL in 1963 ( beaten by Down in both senior and minor finals)
There was never no word about Down Derry Tyrone or Donegal in the 1900's, 20,30,40 and indeed it was around the mid 1950's when things started to change in Ulster
Donegal won Ulster for the first time in 1972 beating Tyrone in I think an 80 minute final
When Down came good in the sixties Derry Tyrone and Donegal began to improve and backwards went Cavan Now this is no slur on Cavan, done Ulster proud when we had no team and when Down Derry or Tyrone had no team plus you made history by winning the only final played outside of Ireland with the help of a Donegal man who I think played in the polo grounds final ;;; the late Colomba mcDyre (RIP) and a proud Glenties man
First Donegal man to win a Celtic cross
Since Donegal made the breakthrough in 1972i think Cavan have won one Ulster title, now compare that to Down ,Armagh, Tyrone Donegal or Derry plus Donegal will contest the 14 final out of the last 26 I think
Down were the top Ulster team of the sixties, Ulster teams were not that strong in the 70's or80's but Monaghan were good in the mid eighties. Now Down again shaded things in the 90's with two All Ireland's Tyrone probably shaded Armagh in the 00's with 3 All Ireland's and so far Donegal for maybe the first time would be the top team in Ulster ( at least until the 19 July) So in my book it's nearly 60 years since Cavan were really dominate and I don't think you have any answer to that great team sitting next door to yourselves so leave them to us to sort them out on Sunday fortnight or if somebody don't stop them they will overrun Cavan alltogether

SamOnErrigal (Donegal) - Posts: 1427 - 02/07/2015 20:00:56    1746664

I concur Ned. And we are the aristocrats of Ulster Hurling ;-)

Offside_Rule (Antrim) - Posts: 4058 - 02/07/2015 20:03:28    1746665

And Cornfaen are the aristocrats of Cavan football.
20 titles, 7 ahead of anyone else.

Like the Romanovs...

Eddie the Exile (Monaghan) - Posts: 1055 - 02/07/2015 20:09:07    1746668

I would have to take issue with your definition of an aristocrat there Ned.

To be an aristocrat doesn't mean you are the best at anything as both yourselves & Down bear witness to.

To be an aristocrat all you have to do is be born into the right family. You might be completely useless, like yourselves & Down, but that won't stop you being an aristocrat.

MuckrossHead (Donegal) - Posts: 5028 - 02/07/2015 20:26:36    1746676

MuckrossHead, at least when Down won their 5 All-Irelands they played football!!

FiorDunach (Down) - Posts: 72 - 02/07/2015 20:49:46    1746699

FiorDunach
County: Down
Posts: 5

1746699 MuckrossHead, at least when Down won their 5 All-Irelands they played football!!

1960s football was puke : what are you on about. Yous played nice football in 91 and 94 - well done . Enjoy your tradition )

TheRightStuff (Donegal) - Posts: 1688 - 02/07/2015 21:09:17    1746715

I would class Cavan as the most passionate GAA Ulster county : by a mile .

TheRightStuff (Donegal) - Posts: 1688 - 02/07/2015 21:10:07    1746716

FiorDunach
County: Down
Posts: 5

1746699
MuckrossHead, at least when Down won their 5 All-Irelands they played football!!

Maybe they should try it again FD, they might win another one.

MuckrossHead (Donegal) - Posts: 5028 - 02/07/2015 21:19:45    1746724

Ned_Stormcrow
County: Cavan
Posts: 693

1746643


There ain't a lot of things that irk me in this world. But people referring to Down as the aristocrats of Ulster football does. It is endemic on this site. Just to clarify,

Aristocrat: Anything regarded as the best of it's kind.

Cavan have won more then 3 times the amount of Ulster titles Down have.

Let's not lapse into this pitfall again.

Thank you.

Perhaps It's time that new modern nicknames be attached to all Counties, to best represent their place in modern day Ireland.

Example:
Cavan - The Miser's
Kerry - The Butter men
Mayo - The Nearly men
Monaghan - The Diesel Washer's
Armagh - The bandits
Offaly - The BIFFO's
Laois - The Prison Guarder's
Roscommon - The Turf smokers
Cork - The Langers

I just did this for a laugh, It would be funny to hear commentators shouting that kinda thing.

GaryMc82 (Derry) - Posts: 3017 - 02/07/2015 21:21:09    1746725

I would accuse you of living in the past but that would be a bit hypocritical.

RoyalBadger (Meath) - Posts: 571 - 02/07/2015 21:28:21    1746733

MuckrossHead
County: Donegal
Posts: 3556

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I would have to take issue with your definition of an aristocrat there Ned.

To be an aristocrat doesn't mean you are the best at anything as both yourselves & Down bear witness to.

To be an aristocrat all you have to do is be born into the right family. You might be completely useless, like yourselves & Down, but that won't stop you being an aristocrat.


It's not me that propagates the term "aristocrat", it's others, that's the whole point of the thread. Anyway, it's a term synonymous with Down for some peculiar reason, I'm merely pointing out the obvious discrepancy in applying it to them.

But at least we have a future, not much milage left in McFadden, Toye and Gallagher I'd imagine.

Ned_Stormcrow (Cavan) - Posts: 1071 - 02/07/2015 21:38:59    1746738

Cavan won all them Ulster titles back before the ESB arrived on the scene All the rest of us were in the dark
But things changed big time in the hills when we got the light and we began to see where we were going wrong
It's never been a brighter place up here in the Bluestacks than at present

SamOnErrigal (Donegal) - Posts: 1427 - 02/07/2015 21:50:45    1746756

Cavan - The Miser's
Kerry - The Butter men
Mayo - The Nearly men
Monaghan - The Diesel Washer's
Armagh - The bandits
Offaly - The BIFFO's
Laois - The Prison Guarder's
Roscommon - The Turf smokers
Cork - The Langers

Ha GaryMc, that gave me a laugh this morning. Especially Monaghan.

Offside_Rule (Antrim) - Posts: 4058 - 03/07/2015 08:33:47    1746765

Your right, Sort of. Aristocrats for most means top in terms of history/tradition. Relative to Cavan Down are not Aristocrats in Ulster football, they started a tradition of winning much later (When you talk about success you also have to include not just provincial but All Ireland success). But in recent times when you see a county like Donegal winning a lot, compared to Donegal Down are Aristocrats. You also have to remember that many in the media where growing at a time (or hearing about from parents) when were Down winning a lot so still remember that. Their team of the 1960's made a big impression on people at the time. I have talked to a player who remembers playing against Down a few times in the 1990's and he said Down players think of themselves as aristocrats of football. This confidence (some would say arrogance but in sport having a small bit of arrogance is a great strength to have once it doesn't go to far) helps them a lot if they get to the big stage of the latter stage of the championship.

bdbuddah (Meath) - Posts: 1332 - 03/07/2015 08:39:15    1746769

02/07/2015 21:38:59
Ned_Stormcrow
County: Cavan
Posts: 695


But at least we have a future, not much milage left in McFadden, Toye and Gallagher I'd imagine.

Ned, those three guys could be 70 years of age & they would still have more than enough for Cavan.

MuckrossHead (Donegal) - Posts: 5028 - 03/07/2015 08:52:07    1746779

GaryMc82
County: Derry
Posts: 1961

Perhaps It's time that new modern nicknames be attached to all Counties, to best represent their place in modern day Ireland.
Example:
Cavan - The Miser's .... The miser's what ?
Kerry - The Butter men
Mayo - The Nearly men
Monaghan - The Diesel Washer's ... again I ask, The Diesel Washer's what ??
Armagh - The bandits
Offaly - The BIFFO's .............yet again The BIFFO's what ???
Laois - The Prison Guarder's ... The Prison Guarder's... wife ? Dog ? uncle ?
Roscommon - The Turf smokers
Cork - The Langers

s goldrick (Cavan) - Posts: 5518 - 03/07/2015 09:08:59    1746788

Ned_Stormcrow
County: Cavan
Posts: 695

There ain't a lot of things that irk me in this world. But people referring to Down as the aristocrats of Ulster football does. It is endemic on this site. Just to clarify,

Aristocrat: Anything regarded as the best of it's kind.

Cavan have won more then 3 times the amount of Ulster titles Down have.
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Like 2 bald men fighting over a comb...

Thomas Clarke (Tyrone) - Posts: 1002 - 03/07/2015 09:10:45    1746790