Tomsmith here The age old problem has reared its head again. Should County team managers be allowed to dictate if Club championship fixtures will go ahead while the senior team is still in the championship or even in the qualifiers. I feel that in light of discussions taking place that a rule should be drawn up by GAA HQ that would outline fully in a fare and comprehensive manner when fixtures should be delayed. I see on my own Cavan H/S board where a poster who is a regular contributor makes a very valid point that how is a team manager to gauge how his panel is playing when no championship games are being played. How is new talent to be unearthed ?? Could someone enlighten me as regards the number of Counties that do not play championship football until the senior team has either won the A|I or knocked out.
tomsmith (Cavan) - Posts: 3845 - 27/07/2014 12:20:55
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Tomsmith , games have stopped in Dublin until exiting championship , think we got through first two rounds of league in football , hurling is round robin , I posted four months ago about this got very few comments which I said at the time watch this space come Sept/Oct for its only then it comes home to people , thruth is when your still All Ireland nobody gives a toss , Dublin championship has been reduced to a county blitz run over a very short period of time , which is dreadful . Clubs in Dublin will never play championship without their marquee players so don't see anything changing any-day soon .
Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts: 5193 - 27/07/2014 12:40:57
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Same in Donegal, although the league runs all during summer with, for example, all the county players playing this weekend just gone.
In our case JMcG didn't ask for the championship to be put off completely, he was happy enough for the early stages to be played, it was the clubs who offered it.
I don't understand the point about managers not being able to assess players, just because there is no championship doesn't mean league games can't take place
Don't see the problem really.
MuckrossHead (Donegal) - Posts: 5028 - 27/07/2014 21:29:09
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Big issue here is the GAA leave the fixtures of their domestic championships upto county boards. Once you do this you leave the door open for managers to have an influence and ultimately the clubs are at the mercy of the boards priorities. If those lay with inter county success then they'll be large stoppages in the club championships.
It will never be resolved unless the GAA release a master calender where there is club only weekends. Another is issue is you have mangers of Horan's and McGuiness's view who want it all off. Where as JBM and Cody have no issue with club games.
In Galway we effectively have three championships. 5 months of training for 3 games at end of April. 8 week break one game at the end of July. 6 week break the remainder of the championship is squeezed into the the mug and cold of October.
crossfieldball (Galway) - Posts: 650 - 27/07/2014 21:42:48
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27/07/2014 12:20:55 tomsmith Tomsmith here. The age old problem has reared its head again. Should County team managers be allowed to dictate if Club championship fixtures will go ahead while the senior team is still in the championship or even in the qualifiers. I feel that in light of discussions taking place that a rule should be drawn up by GAA HQ that would outline fully in a fare and comprehensive manner when fixtures should be delayed. I see on my own Cavan H/S board where a poster who is a regular contributor makes a very valid point that how is a team manager to gauge how his panel is playing when no championship games are being played. How is new talent to be unearthed ?? Could someone enlighten me as regards the number of Counties that do not play championship football until the senior team has either won the A|I or knocked out.Tom you don't need to say you're here. By clicking 'add message' we already know its you posting. No county coaches should not be allowed dictate when club fixtures are played. A county coach can gauge how his players are going when no club games are played by looking at them in training/friendly matches etc. He cant however see many new players with few to no club games played. 27/07/2014 12:40:57 Damothedub Tomsmith , games have stopped in Dublin until exiting championship , think we got through first two rounds of league in football , hurling is round robin , I posted four months ago about this got very few comments which I said at the time watch this space come Sept/Oct for its only then it comes home to people , thruth is when your still All Ireland nobody gives a toss , Dublin championship has been reduced to a county blitz run over a very short period of time , which is dreadful . Clubs in Dublin will never play championship without their marquee players so don't see anything changing any-day soon .Will this ever come to a head and clubs say we want to play in summer and proper conditions for football/hurling or something like that? 27/07/2014 21:29:09 MuckrossHead Same in Donegal, although the league runs all during summer with, for example, all the county players playing this weekend just gone. In our case JMcG didn't ask for the championship to be put off completely, he was happy enough for the early stages to be played, it was the clubs who offered it. I don't understand the point about managers not being able to assess players, just because there is no championship doesn't mean league games can't take place Don't see the problem really.But how many counties have a full proper league? 27/07/2014 21:42:48 crossfieldball Big issue here is the GAA leave the fixtures of their domestic championships upto county boards. Once you do this you leave the door open for managers to have an influence and ultimately the clubs are at the mercy of the boards priorities. If those lay with inter county success then they'll be large stoppages in the club championships. It will never be resolved unless the GAA release a master calender where there is club only weekends. Another is issue is you have mangers of Horan's and McGuiness's view who want it all off. Where as JBM and Cody have no issue with club games. In Galway we effectively have three championships. 5 months of training for 3 games at end of April. 8 week break one game at the end of July. 6 week break the remainder of the championship is squeezed into the the mug and cold of October. That sounds like a terrible situation in Galway. Why do people put up with it?
ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 28/07/2014 10:45:08
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We in Carlow have not been in the championship long enough for this problem to be curtailing championship matches. In fairness to the county board an all county league has helped a lot in having a fuller games fixtures list for clubs in football while the stronger hurling clubs now play in Kilkenny leagues. IF - Carlow did get a decent run in championship -then no games would be played - as success has been so limited and the desire is so great, it would outweigh the need for club games.
But - the main point of the question is valid - and some underage team managers have long dictated that their players NOT play for clubs schools etc. That has been a scourge for many involved at club and schools level. The problem is not just evident at this time of year!
carlowman (Carlow) - Posts: 1812 - 28/07/2014 10:56:24
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In Kildare one round of championship was played back in early May, no further rounds would be played until county team eliminated. County leagues have been played every week in the interim with the last round just finished this weekend, League finals to be played. So there will be a gap now with no club football (mightn't be a long gap) until championship resumes when county team are beaten (there is usually a two week break after county beaten). Championship is played off fairly promptly when it does resume. It is not an ideal situation for club payers or managers as mangers have to try and guess when championship will come round and to tailor their training accordingly while players cannot plan any holidays as they cannot be sure what weeks they will be playing.
NorthKildare (Kildare) - Posts: 197 - 28/07/2014 17:07:51
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What do you mean "How many counties have a full league?"
Doesn't every county have a league competition?
MuckrossHead (Donegal) - Posts: 5028 - 28/07/2014 17:29:08
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A no MuckrossHead...
I'm hurling firstly so any comments I add here are about the small ball. Our league for last three years has finished with a final for the previous season played in wet of February the year after. Teams have zero interest and 9/10 Galway people will tell you they don't know the name of the league cup (I don't) nor do I currently know the standings for this year. Our clubs go hell for leather in the first 2/3 rounds pre championship. Once the championship comes the league dies Clubs often call off league games in favor of out of county challenge games. Trying to finish it is like pulling hens teeth.
OrmondBannermam...
On your point. Yes it is awful. It is near on impossible to get any sort of momentum and to keep lads in around. The stand alone game in July is always touch and go as well. Not uncommon for some teams to take off at the beginning to get hammered out the gate in September.
crossfieldball (Galway) - Posts: 650 - 28/07/2014 18:01:00
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28/07/2014 17:29:08 MuckrossHead Ormond What do you mean "How many counties have a full league?" Doesn't every county have a league competition? Tipperary don't have in hurling but do in football. doesn't matter what I meant... 28/07/2014 18:01:00 crossfieldball A no MuckrossHead... I'm hurling firstly so any comments I add here are about the small ball. Our league for last three years has finished with a final for the previous season played in wet of February the year after. Teams have zero interest and 9/10 Galway people will tell you they don't know the name of the league cup (I don't) nor do I currently know the standings for this year. Our clubs go hell for leather in the first 2/3 rounds pre championship. Once the championship comes the league dies Clubs often call off league games in favor of out of county challenge games. Trying to finish it is like pulling hens teeth. Ormond On your point. Yes it is awful. It is near on impossible to get any sort of momentum and to keep lads in around. The stand alone game in July is always touch and go as well. Not uncommon for some teams to take off at the beginning to get hammered out the gate in September. Joke of a system. Why would players keep wanting that and is there any demand for changes to give everyone a proper system
ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 28/07/2014 19:07:49
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I have to say I am astounded that there are counties out there who can't/don't run a proper league competition for their clubs.
Surely this is the answer to the problem.
In Donegal we have league football all during the summer months with county players turning out each week except for the weeks immediately preceding a county game.
MuckrossHead (Donegal) - Posts: 5028 - 28/07/2014 19:57:51
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28/07/2014 19:57:51 MuckrossHead I have to say I am astounded that there are counties out there who can't/don't run a proper league competition for their clubs. Surely this is the answer to the problem. In Donegal we have league football all during the summer months with county players turning out each week except for the weeks immediately preceding a county game. In hurling in Tipperary the league is played on a cup basis and there is 3/4 cups which gives every club 3/4 games at the least. The divisional and county championships are run separately but are connected and divisional championships are played on round robin basis, Its the same in the football championship Every club gets loads of games and through the summer as well. No problem there and much better than most counties who have a league yes but championship pushed to the end of summer and into autumn and pushed into small timeframe to be played
ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 28/07/2014 20:24:39
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28/07/2014 19:57:51 MuckrossHead County: Donegal Posts: 2980
1627614 I have to say I am astounded that there are counties out there who can't/don't run a proper league competition for their clubs.
Surely this is the answer to the problem.
In Donegal we have league football all during the summer months with county players turning out each week except for the weeks immediately preceding a county game.
MH running the league no problem , however If and I mean If we get a run to Sept then we have the championship run at a ridiculous pace , very little breaks and the hurling most likely being run at the same time , thats why I describe it as a blitz . Its completely disrespectful of the Players who don't don county colours . It makes a mockery of the premier club competition in the county , clubs and county board to blame , GPA nowhere to be seen and players the victims .
Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts: 5193 - 28/07/2014 21:23:19
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