Is this experiment unofficially dead? I think its headed that way. Make no mistake, I was in favour of the black card. The cynicism in our game was getting out of hand. As a Gaa man, I was embarrassed looking at it sometimes, but I always had a feeling that in the big games referees simply wouldn't have the bottle to end a players game. In every game, numerous tackles which should see a black card issued, are instead seeing yellow cards issued. Mow I reckon that the refs know that they should be showing a black card, but simply wont do it because of the controversy it might generate. Pundits aren't really discussing it much anymore and I think that this experiment is slowly but surely disappearing from our game. The dishonest players and managers in our game ( and theres a hell of a lot of them whether you like it or not) have called the refs bluff, and they've won.
Time for the sin bin to be tried out? I think so anyway. Cynical tackle means the player has to leave the pitch for ten minutes, and his team are down to 14 men.

joncarter (Galway) - Posts: 2692 - 19/07/2014 19:21:20    1621592

are you referring to any match in particular or is it because a big bad ulster team won?

fabio8 (USA) - Posts: 2182 - 19/07/2014 19:31:35    1621594

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are you referring to any match in particular or is it because a big bad ulster team won?

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oakman (Derry) - Posts: 87 - 19/07/2014 19:34:49    1621596

Don't be so presumptuous. I didn't even see the Armagh v Roscommon game. I should have known better than to start this thread on a day when an Ulster team beats a non Ulster team. Stop being so paranoid.
Get to the topic at hand please.

joncarter (Galway) - Posts: 2692 - 19/07/2014 19:47:45    1621603

why would i be paranoid?..im not from ulster..the timing is rather coincidental

fabio8 (USA) - Posts: 2182 - 19/07/2014 19:54:52    1621609

Stick to the topic at hand. Anything off topic will not be posted. Thanks admin.

Administrator (None) - Posts: 2274 - 19/07/2014 20:12:24    1621621

realistic comment in fairness...generally when one is making an argument there needs to a certain amount of objectivity in the argument and this has clearly been lacking a lot on here over the past few days..overall i feel the card was rushed in through mass hysteria obviously most notably shown by the hysteria around the tackle by sean cavanagh against monaghan

fabio8 (USA) - Posts: 2182 - 19/07/2014 20:24:04    1621624

joncarter

well said, cheating and professional fouling was/is ruining the game, as is diving, feigning injury. The Black card may go indeed, then the game can kiss its butt goodbye.

arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4896 - 19/07/2014 20:52:14    1621668

this is a major problem in all sports and very hard dealt with..in soccer you have diving, feigning injury..basketball it is known as flopping, and in gaa we have it of course..really comes down to the players and increased technology may help as there is retrospective punishment for feigning injury...the nba for instance fine players if they are caught diving or flopping numerous times..a ban or something could be applied in gaa to discourage it

fabio8 (USA) - Posts: 2182 - 19/07/2014 20:58:28    1621674

Only referring to the Kildare Clare game here and for both sides the spring black cards have turned into yellows. Refs don't want to be bothered explaining a black card so it's easier to give a yellow. However players are not blocking off runners so at least that aspect seems to have been eliminated for now.

jonno (Kildare) - Posts: 260 - 19/07/2014 21:13:48    1621690

Johncarter you're basing your statement on your interpretation of what qualifies as a black card offence. Give us some examples please.

Would you agree that there is less cynical fouling this year?

Floops (Dublin) - Posts: 1623 - 19/07/2014 21:17:30    1621692

So.... you want to base the success of black cards on the lack of black cards? wouldn't that mean they have been successful? for the record I think there is a disconnect between what supporters think is a black card, to what the rules actually state is a black card.

JP91 (Armagh) - Posts: 316 - 19/07/2014 21:20:02    1621694

Jon, are you referring to football in general or are you just miffed that a physically stronger, more imposing Armagh side beat Roscommon. If you are genuine in this threas, which I doubt, can you explain why Dublin didn't receive one black card in the National League when they should have gotten at least half a dozen?

Ulsterman (Antrim) - Posts: 9702 - 19/07/2014 21:28:42    1621703

Everyone is against Ulster throw some big teams in ulster and see how they do.

snipingfredo (Armagh) - Posts: 45 - 19/07/2014 21:32:14    1621710

Its a general point flops. Unlike what some would have you believe, Im not singling out a particular county or province. Ive seen loads of Sunday game action this Summer, and Ive lost count of the number of times Ive seen a yellow card shown for a tackle that was blatantly designed to target the man and not the ball. In pretty much every game.
Keep an eye on tomorrows games. Ive no doubt there'll be more examples there.

joncarter (Galway) - Posts: 2692 - 19/07/2014 21:34:00    1621712

Football in general Ulsterman. I agree with you about Dublin btw.

joncarter (Galway) - Posts: 2692 - 19/07/2014 21:46:19    1621725

Jp91. read my op. I believe that the lack of black cards is down to the fact that refs are reluctant to issue them, not because there is less cynical fouling in the game.

joncarter (Galway) - Posts: 2692 - 19/07/2014 21:59:19    1621739

It was the best The FRC could do to get a measure passed at Congress to deal with cynical play. It is very difficult to implement consistently. The word "deliberate" is absolutely key to the giving of a black card and often that is a hard decision for a referee to make so they opt for the safer yellow card. What this and the Anthony Nash free taking affair clearly illustrate is that rule changes in the games have to be taken from the remit of Congress. Congress is a huge impediment to the positive development of both football and hurling. Cynicism is present in both games and should be dealt with by hurling and football committees empowered to make changes in the rules of the games.

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6031 - 20/07/2014 11:13:20    1621802

The tackle on James Kavanagh a perfect example today. A yellow card given for a black card offence. As I said, managers and players have called the referees bluff, and they've won.
Expect more of the same until the refs grow a backbone. The players know the rules, they don't deserve sympathy. If they do the crime, show them the line.

joncarter (Galway) - Posts: 2692 - 26/07/2014 20:35:00    1626281

I agree with you joncarter regarding the tackle on Kavanagh (might have been an element of thinking Tipp were beaten anyway) but other than that I thought it was excellently reffed match. He allowed legitimate aggression and tackling and penalised negative stuff. As players get used to new regime perhaps they will stop doing the sort of stuff that the black card is there for!

hurlingdub (Dublin) - Posts: 6978 - 27/07/2014 09:40:37    1626363