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I see fellas here talking about football's version of the "choke tackle" & how those terrible people from Donegal are using it. MuckrossHead (Donegal) - Posts: 5028 - 26/05/2014 17:38:28 1593755 Link 0 |
It is a Spillanism... bennybunny (Cork) - Posts: 3917 - 26/05/2014 17:44:36 1593762 Link 0 |
bennybunny hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 26/05/2014 17:48:44 1593766 Link 0 |
Doesn't seem to make much sense, if its referring to players being swarmed in possession this has been going on for years and not much wrong with it really, just means you have to think fast before getting caught up. Hank_Scorpio (Meath) - Posts: 60 - 26/05/2014 17:49:37 1593767 Link 0 |
On at least one occasion yesterday, a Derry player was surrounded by 5-6 Donegal players who had converged, scrum like around him. Consequently there is/was no chance of him playing the ball and thus a free awarded for over-carrying. the same happened with a player on the ground. Whilst it may not be a choke tackle in the true sense it is certainly more "rugbyesque" than gaelic football. This is not confined to Donegal by any means. My own county do it as do many others. Refs inability to police a third man tackle is the issue. omaghredhand (Tyrone) - Posts: 3656 - 26/05/2014 17:49:55 1593768 Link 0 |
But teams have been doing the "swarm" thing for years. MuckrossHead (Donegal) - Posts: 5028 - 26/05/2014 18:07:12 1593782 Link 0 |
Time to introduce a new card into the procedings, that will put a stop to it, how about calling it the mauve card or something? brendtheredhand (Tyrone) - Posts: 10897 - 26/05/2014 18:39:05 1593799 Link 0 |
so the tackle is basically what tyrone did to kerry in 2003 and so on hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 27/05/2014 11:52:53 1594060 Link 0 |
In fairness, it is slightly different to what tyrone were doing. I agree that it is basically a third man tackle, and that the term choke tackle isn't really valid. However, at the same time it is worth flagging up as something that is becoming more common in the game. Maybe the bit of coverage might bring it to refs attention a bit more. It will happen sometimes, naturally, over the course of a game, but there are definitely efforts going in to manufacture these situations and that isn't really what we want to be seeing. TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 27/05/2014 12:48:32 1594101 Link 0 |
Surrounding a guy is fine, but not with your arms outstretched. Having your arms outstretched restrains the player if he tried to move. This is a key rule change which would fix a lot of what's wrong. In basketball you are "standing your ground as a defender only if you are stationary- in gaelic football defenders have licence to do whatever they like so long as they don't push or pull a jersey. It's ridiculous. This defending with your arms wrapped arount a player is ridiculous. icehonesty (Wexford) - Posts: 2550 - 27/05/2014 13:10:00 1594118 Link 0 |
Too much meddling in the game will always result in unforeseen consequences. Reminds me of Dougal in Fr.Ted putting a small bump in a car and then trying to hammer it out and ending up trashing the car! Naysayer (Antrim) - Posts: 2071 - 27/05/2014 13:15:02 1594123 Link 0 |
TheMaster I am not denying its a move teams are probably practicing but its not against the rules. dstuction (Donegal) - Posts: 1209 - 27/05/2014 13:43:05 1594141 Link 0 |
But whats the point in bringing it to the ref attention.If a player has the ball and is surrounded by 3 or 4 players and overcarries then its not the defending team that has fouled!! What are they supposed to do, let him out!! The ref can't give a free for the player in posession as the defenders are just blocking his exit. Tir Conaill Abu (Donegal) - Posts: 1671 - 27/05/2014 13:55:30 1594151 Link 0 |
dont see anything wrong with standing around the player with your arms out hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 27/05/2014 14:35:10 1594186 Link 0 |
hill16no1man GetOverTheBar (Tyrone) - Posts: 1388 - 27/05/2014 14:48:15 1594202 Link 0 |
It is incredible how a new word like cholk tackle can capture the imagination of the nation, we have something new to complain about. The reality is that gaelic football is, despite all the rules, a game that is played almost without the correct implementation of several of them. If you take the physical contact out of the sport, it will no longer be gaelic football, it will have become something else. It is going to be a summer of complaining I can tell already Donegalman (None) - Posts: 3830 - 27/05/2014 17:10:57 1594336 Link 0 |
No big deal I've seen Mayo, Dublin , Tyrone and Donegal all surround a player and try and make them release the ball to get a quick turnover. AthCliath (Dublin) - Posts: 4347 - 27/05/2014 17:23:24 1594351 Link 0 |
It's Spillane at it again. He coined the phrase "puke football" amongst others and "choke tackle" is just the latest incarnation. There is no such thing in football. I would prefer to use the term "surrounding the man in possession". It's great defence and Donegal did it very well last Sunday. Am I the only one who is fed up to the back teeth of Pat Spillane and his hopeless, tiresome "analysis" ? Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6029 - 27/05/2014 18:28:11 1594392 Link 0 |
Pity it had not been around the time P Spillane was playing and he would have done less running through backs. How many times have you saw MMurphy surrounded by three /four players when he wins possession :: the only way they can mark him as man to man he would give a lot of fullbacks the runabout. No , I would not call It a choke tackle but again Donegal will get the blame. SamOnErrigal (Donegal) - Posts: 1427 - 27/05/2014 19:38:39 1594424 Link 0 |
A choke tackle is a cynical deployment of a pre- planned (and possibly coached)tackle devised to get around the black card offence of deliberately dragging a man down, the attacking player is held up in a hug allowing time for the swarm defence to come into play. As the inventors of this tactic(the swarm tackle) were Tyrone followed by Donegal the latter applied this new tactic unpunished on numerous occasions against Derry. Google images "choke tackle in GAA" and will see a fine example of this tactic being deployed against M Lynch on Sun. You can clearly see the hunting pack closing in. taobhabhogaigh (Derry) - Posts: 3 - 27/05/2014 20:30:18 1594448 Link 0 |