National - Loughnanes views on Kilkennys U21 team

Replying To fainleog:  "You should speak for your own county. At least Limerick have two excellent U21 teams
as a foundation for future success. One of those teams trounced Wexford in one of the
finals. What happened in 1994 will have no relevance to the new emerging Limerick team.
The future is bright for Limerick hurling."
We've been here before though.......haven't we.....
Don't get me wrong champ. I would love to see Limerick or Clare win an All-Ireland before Kilkenny (I am from Wexford after all). My only point was, don't get carried away and think U21 success means senior success is just around the corner.
Remember the last time Limerick won 3 in a row? The step up is absolutely massive.
My original post was more a dig at Ger Loughnane and a bit of defending Kilkenny, who set the bar and are still the Barcelona of the game, than at Limerick.

Pinkie (Wexford) - Posts:3878 - 14/09/2017 10:09:34   2045882

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Ger says it as he sees it. That was an average KK team and Limerick won well. Those are the facts.

He has criticized Clare an awful lot over last few seasons, savaged them after galway game last year so you just have to take it. People are too sensitive nowadays. He is giving an opinion and he is often right, even if the delivery can be over the top.

I find him more clued in that Babs who just sounds like an auld lad in the local pining for the bygone days...

Clareman (Clare) - Posts:838 - 14/09/2017 11:17:29   2045921

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tis easy to kick somebody when they are down.amateur players,coaches,etc deserve a bit more respect.
ger didnt exactly have a stellar career in terms of winning stuff himself.
and the best hurlers are always on the ditch.

perfect10 (Wexford) - Posts:2061 - 14/09/2017 11:39:15   2045931

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Loughnane is far from a hurler on the ditch! He managed a team to 2 all irelands that had won none in 81 years.

He was Clare's first ever all star. He played on a fantastic clare team that won 2 NHLs and was unlucky to lose 2 very tight munster finals to a cork team that won 3 in row. He hurled until 1986 for clare and was unlucky to lose another tight munster final to guess who, cork, who won the AI that year. He finally won a county medal with Feakle in 87 even tho he tuned down opportunities to hurl with bigger clubs .

You can disagree with him, but do not say he didnt have stellar career.

Do Ciaran Carey, Tony Browne, Ken McGrath not have 'stellar' careers so?

Poor comment

Clareman (Clare) - Posts:838 - 14/09/2017 15:00:34   2045990

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Replying To Pinkie:  "We've been here before though.......haven't we.....
Don't get me wrong champ. I would love to see Limerick or Clare win an All-Ireland before Kilkenny (I am from Wexford after all). My only point was, don't get carried away and think U21 success means senior success is just around the corner.
Remember the last time Limerick won 3 in a row? The step up is absolutely massive.
My original post was more a dig at Ger Loughnane and a bit of defending Kilkenny, who set the bar and are still the Barcelona of the game, than at Limerick."
Pinkie
I would put not that much emphasis on that three in a row for the following reasons
(1) right through the three years they struggled in Munster, drawing twice with Tipp and once with Cork and only beat Wexford by a point in one final and Galway simply did not turn in 2002, however they gave Limerick very close games in 2000 and 2001
(2) The team was built around four or five strong men who were just out of minors ranks in 2000 and they backboned the team over the three years
(3) Several of the team also won Provincial under 21 medals in 2000 and went to the All Ireland Final that year and more importantly went on to be dual stars. For a number of years as many as 6 potential hurlers in Limerick in that period devoted themselves entirely to football.
(4) Too many of that team were brought on too quick to senior ranks and their manager Dave Keane got no realistic chance as senior manager to help them achieve their goals.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts:1353 - 14/09/2017 15:17:29   2045998

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For what its worth i think this Limerick crop has far more potential than the 2000-03 group. It has more individually gifted players.

Peter Lawlor, Damian Reale were in my opinion the best of that group and both had good senior careers. Geary, Moran n Lucey were solid players but not top notch.

Because they won 3 in a row there was a perception they were all top class but that was not the case.

The likes of Nash, Lynch, Casey, Hayes, Morrisey, Gillane have serious potential and if you match them with hannon, byrnes, hegarty, then you have a seriously strong core.

Just my 2 cents.

Clareman (Clare) - Posts:838 - 14/09/2017 15:54:51   2046017

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Replying To gilly2308:  "Where did I complain, I said that Galway were beaten by a classy Limerick team, so get your facts right. I'm complaining about a ridiculous system that has Galway training since Christmas, so that they can play one game in August, that is downright ridiculous and serves nobody. Yes they have won a few U-21s down through the years, but I guarantee that Galway would prefer meaningful games from May onwards."
Gilly
Why did you not ask to come back into Munster in 2009, after all when ye were here before, from 59 to 69, ye were allowed to compete at all levels and it is possible this played a small part in making ye the great hurling county ye are now.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts:1353 - 14/09/2017 16:15:44   2046024

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Were there many from last years U21 team, on this years Kilkenny U21 team?

Marlon_JD (Tipperary) - Posts:1636 - 15/09/2017 17:16:33   2046284

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Loughnane is far from a hurler on the ditch! He managed a team to 2 all irelands that had won none in 81 years.

He was Clare's first ever all star. He played on a fantastic clare team that won 2 NHLs and was unlucky to lose 2 very tight munster finals to a cork team that won 3 in row. He hurled until 1986 for clare and was unlucky to lose another tight munster final to guess who, cork, who won the AI that year. He finally won a county medal with Feakle in 87 even tho he tuned down opportunities to hurl with bigger clubs .

You can disagree with him, but do not say he didnt have stellar career.

of course ger was a magnificent player ,and he expertly managed a great group of players to 2 all irelands.

but as an analyst he has not covered himself in glory.he cut the ground out from under several clare managers. hes the eamon dunphy of hurling. coincidentally both write for the same tabloid paper..

kavvie (Clare) - Posts:458 - 15/09/2017 22:40:15   2046349

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Replying To fainleog:  "Kilkenny never went within two points of Limerick in the second half, they went within four
points on one instance in the second half."
I thought they did at one point. Anyway they tried hard but Limerick were clearly the better team.

Killarney.87 (Tipperary) - Posts:2042 - 16/09/2017 13:22:23   2046429

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Ger has to eat his words about michael donoghue now and about galway hurlers!

tjcentrehalfbak (Galway) - Posts:27 - 16/09/2017 16:39:48   2046458

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Replying To tjcentrehalfbak:  "Ger has to eat his words about michael donoghue now and about galway hurlers!"
He doesn't really. Galway have fine hurlers and are very well balanced. But don't tell me if Kevin Moran had taken on the last man and got a goal that Galway would have thrown in the towel again. For me they need to win another. They are just the same as Clare 2013 at the moment. An All Ireland is an All Ireland but...

bloodyban (Limerick) - Posts:699 - 16/09/2017 17:58:06   2046471

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Replying To bloodyban:  "He doesn't really. Galway have fine hurlers and are very well balanced. But don't tell me if Kevin Moran had taken on the last man and got a goal that Galway would have thrown in the towel again. For me they need to win another. They are just the same as Clare 2013 at the moment. An All Ireland is an All Ireland but..."
Well they are a bit different to Clare in that it's the 3rd final a lot of those Galway players have reached. Clare got to the one final, won it but haven't been anywhere near one either before or since. That could change in the future of course.

Marooned (Galway) - Posts:1414 - 16/09/2017 19:23:10   2046494

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Who does a team have to win another all Ireland to be considered a great team? 1 would do me at any time. And for that matter our team of the 90s or Waterford of the 00s didn't win an all Ireland but I would consider them both to be great teams.

This 2nd all Ireland thing is a load of rubbish.

mike03 (Limerick) - Posts:1977 - 17/09/2017 09:32:18   2046589

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Replying To bloodyban:  "He doesn't really. Galway have fine hurlers and are very well balanced. But don't tell me if Kevin Moran had taken on the last man and got a goal that Galway would have thrown in the towel again. For me they need to win another. They are just the same as Clare 2013 at the moment. An All Ireland is an All Ireland but..."
Truth is he has eaten his words (and rightly so) cos he praised Micheal Donoghue after the final. Every All Ireland is hard won. This Galway team and management have nothing more to prove. 2018 is another year and we, like every other team out there, will take it as it comes.

PoolSturgeon (Galway) - Posts:801 - 17/09/2017 10:42:37   2046612

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Replying To HairyHarry:  "It will though. It's hard to get rid of psychological baggage. Ask Waterford and Mayo.

Hairy Harry."
I'd have to agree with you there. I also think whether people agree or not that tradition plays a part too. Look at that cork team that came out of nowhere this year and how well they done. These guys grow up believing that they are destined to play on big days in thurlus and corner, its in their make up to believe that. Same as any traditional county. Then the likes of Waterford and mayo have a tradition of being nearly men, winning the hearts of general public but no medals. That mentality of not being able to get over the line then eats into fellas heads and can't be easy to get rid of.

Bon (Kildare) - Posts:399 - 17/09/2017 12:48:03   2046637

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Replying To perfect10:  "who cares what ger loughnane thinks of anything."
I do

preddan (Kildare) - Posts:262 - 17/09/2017 20:27:44   2046967

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