National - Camogie Final

Poor enough final I thought, though the weather conditions probably didn't help much. Felt sorry for the Kilkenny back that turned the ball over just before the winning point for Cork.

Aisling Thompson excellent for Cork. BTW is there any reason that camogie goalies wear the same jersey as the outfielders, unlike in hurling?

Gleebo (Mayo) - Posts:1319 - 10/09/2017 17:50:08   2044654

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Replying To Gleebo:  "Poor enough final I thought, though the weather conditions probably didn't help much. Felt sorry for the Kilkenny back that turned the ball over just before the winning point for Cork.

Aisling Thompson excellent for Cork. BTW is there any reason that camogie goalies wear the same jersey as the outfielders, unlike in hurling?"
Well done Cork. Riona Buckley seems like a great leader and person.

I'd say the wind had an effect Gleebo. It was intense enough!

Laois76 (Laois) - Posts:1147 - 10/09/2017 17:59:43   2044655

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Replying To Laois76:  "Well done Cork. Riona Buckley seems like a great leader and person.

I'd say the wind had an effect Gleebo. It was intense enough!"
Yeah, 18 All-Ireland medals is some going alright. Did Briege Corkery retire this season?

Gleebo (Mayo) - Posts:1319 - 10/09/2017 18:12:04   2044658

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Replying To Gleebo:  "Poor enough final I thought, though the weather conditions probably didn't help much. Felt sorry for the Kilkenny back that turned the ball over just before the winning point for Cork.

Aisling Thompson excellent for Cork. BTW is there any reason that camogie goalies wear the same jersey as the outfielders, unlike in hurling?"
In camogie a goalie is just another outfield player they can be tackled just like any other player on the field hence the same jersey any player can puck the ball out for instance.

Conditions didn't help at all, but Camogie like hurling is adjusting to a more defensive game now. For instance Kilkenny pull the entire half back line in when defending. So yeah makes for low scoring games. BTW I thought the ref robbed Meath by blowing up when she did,

arock (Dublin) - Posts:3507 - 10/09/2017 19:54:30   2044690

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Ref poor for Meath in the intermediate! Robbed

Liamwalkinstown (Dublin) - Posts:7856 - 10/09/2017 20:11:46   2044696

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Replying To arock:  "In camogie a goalie is just another outfield player they can be tackled just like any other player on the field hence the same jersey any player can puck the ball out for instance.

Conditions didn't help at all, but Camogie like hurling is adjusting to a more defensive game now. For instance Kilkenny pull the entire half back line in when defending. So yeah makes for low scoring games. BTW I thought the ref robbed Meath by blowing up when she did,"
Refereeing in the Intermediate game was poor in my opinion. Never used advantage and gave some baffling calls on both sides. Cork red card was very soft, free in lead up to cork goal was equally soft and as for the decision at the end...

showforit (Meath) - Posts:108 - 10/09/2017 20:22:39   2044703

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Replying To Liamwalkinstown:  "Ref poor for Meath in the intermediate! Robbed"
Definitely so, the one in the senior game could have given Kilkenny another day as well

mhunicean_abu (Monaghan) - Posts:540 - 10/09/2017 20:25:47   2044704

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To be honest Liam, I thought the Ref gave Meath every close call apart from the final one.
Anyway both sides start from scratch again & may the best team win.
For me the story of the day is Rena Buckley, 18 Senior All Ireland Medals in 12 years, mind boggling.

corkcelt (Cork) - Posts:4371 - 10/09/2017 20:29:52   2044707

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Following a quick check of old photos, it seems that hurling goalies started wearing distinctive jerseys in 1975; the footballers changed in 1963.

The reason offered above, i.e. that it related to rules regarding tackling goalies seems reasonable.

I presume any player can take a puck out or kick out.

tommy58 (Dublin) - Posts:135 - 10/09/2017 20:35:53   2044709

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Replying To Gleebo:  "Yeah, 18 All-Ireland medals is some going alright. Did Briege Corkery retire this season?"
I don't know Gleebo tbh. The few Cork ladies football games i saw on tv she wasn't playing. Briege is 30 like Rena. So not old but a lot of mileage. The camogie and ladies football ladies really don't get enough credit. The games are unrecognisable in skill level from 25 yrs ago. All very skilled practioners now.

Laois76 (Laois) - Posts:1147 - 10/09/2017 20:42:32   2044714

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Replying To arock:  "In camogie a goalie is just another outfield player they can be tackled just like any other player on the field hence the same jersey any player can puck the ball out for instance.

Conditions didn't help at all, but Camogie like hurling is adjusting to a more defensive game now. For instance Kilkenny pull the entire half back line in when defending. So yeah makes for low scoring games. BTW I thought the ref robbed Meath by blowing up when she did,"
In camogie a goalie is just another outfield player they can be tackled just like any other player on the field hence the same jersey any player can puck the ball out for instance.

Are you sure about this? I mean isn't it the same in hurling? (Besides the same jersey).

Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts:415 - 10/09/2017 20:46:45   2044716

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What I couldn't understand was why the ref in the inter final didn't just blow full time from the puck-out. Why let play develop for ten seconds only to blow when Meath had a chance to score? Just bringing unwanted controversy on herself.

Kilkenny's tactics in the first half of the senior final were abysmal. I was wondering if they were playing any forwards at one stage, I lost count of the amount of times the ball was played straight to a Cork defender with the freedom of Croke Park to gather the ball. Baffling. 2 points at half time, 1 from play, with an apparent wind advantage, spoke volumes. Second half performance was better but in truth you couldn't say they were unlucky or deserved to win based on the first half performance alone.

ballydalane (Kilkenny) - Posts:594 - 10/09/2017 21:08:51   2044727

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Yes, Briege Corkery returned from both camogie and hurling earlier in the season. Went with little or no fanfare. Another legend of the games.

football first (All) - Posts:1086 - 10/09/2017 21:24:12   2044731

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Replying To Cockney_Cat:  "In camogie a goalie is just another outfield player they can be tackled just like any other player on the field hence the same jersey any player can puck the ball out for instance.

Are you sure about this? I mean isn't it the same in hurling? (Besides the same jersey)."
I think its probably more of a tradition and the differences are more subtle as you say the same is in hurling just a different jersey.

arock (Dublin) - Posts:3507 - 10/09/2017 21:34:47   2044737

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Not sure Briege is gone. Think she just took a year out, & has left the option of returning next year open. Briege is actually a few months younger than Rena.

corkcelt (Cork) - Posts:4371 - 10/09/2017 22:08:49   2044749

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Replying To ballydalane:  "What I couldn't understand was why the ref in the inter final didn't just blow full time from the puck-out. Why let play develop for ten seconds only to blow when Meath had a chance to score? Just bringing unwanted controversy on herself.

Kilkenny's tactics in the first half of the senior final were abysmal. I was wondering if they were playing any forwards at one stage, I lost count of the amount of times the ball was played straight to a Cork defender with the freedom of Croke Park to gather the ball. Baffling. 2 points at half time, 1 from play, with an apparent wind advantage, spoke volumes. Second half performance was better but in truth you couldn't say they were unlucky or deserved to win based on the first half performance alone."
I think both Kilkenny & Cork are overdoing the tactics. They're often counter-productive & lot of the time the teams end up cancelling each other out.

keeper7 (Longford) - Posts:3536 - 10/09/2017 22:31:47   2044755

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Referee in the first game blew for frees that were not fouls and never played advantage rule. Then she robbed Meath of a deserved victory.

Cork probably deserved to win the senior final. Kilkenny were better in the second half and could have won a poor spectacle of a game. Cork have some real leaders there though in Gemma O'Connor, Rena Buckley, Aisling Thompson, the Mackey twins and they managed to pull it out.

bennybunny (Cork) - Posts:3528 - 11/09/2017 23:02:50   2045100

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Replying To ballydalane:  "What I couldn't understand was why the ref in the inter final didn't just blow full time from the puck-out. Why let play develop for ten seconds only to blow when Meath had a chance to score? Just bringing unwanted controversy on herself.

Kilkenny's tactics in the first half of the senior final were abysmal. I was wondering if they were playing any forwards at one stage, I lost count of the amount of times the ball was played straight to a Cork defender with the freedom of Croke Park to gather the ball. Baffling. 2 points at half time, 1 from play, with an apparent wind advantage, spoke volumes. Second half performance was better but in truth you couldn't say they were unlucky or deserved to win based on the first half performance alone."
At least they deserved a draw the way they hurled in the second half , Cork went long stretches with out scoring as they did against Galway in the semifinal.

johnwhite12 (Kilkenny) - Posts:300 - 12/09/2017 08:51:32   2045132

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Replying To keeper7:  "I think both Kilkenny & Cork are overdoing the tactics. They're often counter-productive & lot of the time the teams end up cancelling each other out."
Sweeper system is literally tailor made for camogie as they don't have the same range in terms of scoring.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts:11219 - 12/09/2017 10:35:05   2045155

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